What difference does it make. How do you spot a fake

originals are styrene, 

Trev

discogs lists them a vinyl. Are the boots stamped on the runout?

9 minutes ago, Haighy said:

Trev

discogs lists them a vinyl. Are the boots stamped on the runout?

discogs isn't always right, it relies on user input and whoever entered this release got that bit wrong, they are styrene....

Has it been booted, counterfeited, not aware of one

I think it would be almost impossible to replicate that 45,styrene with ink jet label! 

My copy has what looks like a B, and a word stamped in runout also 6253 ( I think) scratched in. Sorry my eyes are old. I’m just worried as it’s that clean. 

17 minutes ago, Haighy said:

My copy has what looks like a B, and a word stamped in runout also 6253 ( I think) scratched in. Sorry my eyes are old. I’m just worried as it’s that clean. 

It has what you say in run-out plus a Bell Sound stamp (clockwise to etched number)

Well mine has and I’ve had it 30+ years

Cheers mate looks like I’ve got an original 😁😁

3 hours ago, Chalky said:

discogs isn't always right, it relies on user input and whoever entered this release got that bit wrong, they are styrene....

Has it been booted, counterfeited, not aware of one

This was originally listed 12 years ago and Discogs did not have a styrene option Karl, so its no ones fault, glad you added it

The B in the runout is for the Bestway plant. As far as I know they were the only factory to produce styrene 45s with the paperless, screen-printed labels. I'm not aware that this record has ever been booted.

got dj copy on right ,

 

Thanks very much for reply’s everyone. It was the label that was throwing me. I was expecting it to lift in the centre, but it’s firmly stuck down. 

12 hours ago, Haighy said:

Thanks very much for reply’s everyone. It was the label that was throwing me. I was expecting it to lift in the centre, but it’s firmly stuck down. 

It hasn't got a printed Label, the ink is printed directly onto the styrene, as with some of the big top releases. 

Brilliant stuff and now would it be OK to ask who know who he was, now we have sorted out the record ? I can't find anything, but I am not a knowledgeable as others on here.

 

I was listening to an old richard serling show the other day and he said that kenny shepard was art robins who recorded on vando-vocally they do sound very similar

thanks

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Angus said:

 

I was listening to an old richard serling show the other day and he said that kenny shepard was art robins who recorded on vando-vocally they do sound very similar

thanks

 

 

 

they do sound similar and Art did work with Van McCoy too

Oh, could be but I will let others agree with you

 

Not 💯 on that that must be an octave in pitch difference, though the vocal delivery style is similar.  

13 hours ago, Angus said:

 

I was listening to an old richard serling show the other day and he said that kenny shepard was art robins who recorded on vando-vocally they do sound very similar

thanks

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Geeselad said:

Not 💯 on that that must be an octave in pitch difference, though the vocal delivery style is similar.  

It appears that Richard (if that's what he said on his show) "may" have been incorrect on this occasion.

Here is some stuff I found and sadly he passed away only a couple of years ago.

"Maybe you know him as Arthur Robinson of the Doo Wop groups, The Romancers and The Ad-Libs. 
Or maybe you know him from the Van McCoy label, VANDO, as Art Robins. 

If you know him by any of those names, you know he has a powerful, honey voice. 
Or maybe you are a family member or friend and simply know him affectionately by his nickname, Peter Rabbit. 

Thearthur Robinson Thearthur Robinson, Arthur Robinson, Art Robins Born in South Norfolk County (which later became Chesapeake), and raised on Liberty Street there, 17 year old, Robinson left the Tidewater area in 1956 to seek better opportunities up North. 

He landed a job at a Staten Island hospital doing maintenance. One day while sweeping, singing to pass the time faster, he was heard by a young woman whose brother was in a Doo Wop group. Soon, a meeting was set up and next thing he knew, Thearthur Robinson from Virginia, was in a New York singing group called, The Romancers. 

The Romancers featured tight harmonies and soaring vocals, with several members taking turn singing lead. The group had a series of songs recorded on Palette Records. (These Romancers were an East Coast group not to be confused with a West Coast group of the same name during the same period or another East Coast group which later became known as The Dreamers). 

Eventually, Robinson found himself with The Ad-Libs, a singing group which had been surviving off a hit record, “The Boy From New York City.”

The new Ad-Libs were on AGP Records and consisted of Arthur Robinson, Irene Baker, Hugh Harris, Rose Myers and David Watt. Also joining the lineup was Chris Bartley. The group got involved with a highly talented and prolific writer/producer by the name of Van McCoy. 

Arthur Robinson was chosen to sing the lead on the remake of a ballad by a former member of The Flamingos, Tommy Hunt, titled, “Human.” "

http://www.vmsoul.com/dyk.html

https://www.fitchettmannfuneralservices.com/obituary/thearthur-robinson

 

Same pic with annotation below

14 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

 

It appears that Richard (if that's what he said on his show) "may" have been incorrect on this occasion.

Here is some stuff I found and sadly he passed away only a couple of years ago.

"Maybe you know him as Arthur Robinson of the Doo Wop groups, The Romancers and The Ad-Libs. 
Or maybe you know him from the Van McCoy label, VANDO, as Art Robins. 

If you know him by any of those names, you know he has a powerful, honey voice. 
Or maybe you are a family member or friend and simply know him affectionately by his nickname, Peter Rabbit. 

Thearthur Robinson Thearthur Robinson, Arthur Robinson, Art Robins Born in South Norfolk County (which later became Chesapeake), and raised on Liberty Street there, 17 year old, Robinson left the Tidewater area in 1956 to seek better opportunities up North. 

He landed a job at a Staten Island hospital doing maintenance. One day while sweeping, singing to pass the time faster, he was heard by a young woman whose brother was in a Doo Wop group. Soon, a meeting was set up and next thing he knew, Thearthur Robinson from Virginia, was in a New York singing group called, The Romancers. 

The Romancers featured tight harmonies and soaring vocals, with several members taking turn singing lead. The group had a series of songs recorded on Palette Records. (These Romancers were an East Coast group not to be confused with a West Coast group of the same name during the same period or another East Coast group which later became known as The Dreamers). 

Eventually, Robinson found himself with The Ad-Libs, a singing group which had been surviving off a hit record, “The Boy From New York City.”

The new Ad-Libs were on AGP Records and consisted of Arthur Robinson, Irene Baker, Hugh Harris, Rose Myers and David Watt. Also joining the lineup was Chris Bartley. The group got involved with a highly talented and prolific writer/producer by the name of Van McCoy. 

Arthur Robinson was chosen to sing the lead on the remake of a ballad by a former member of The Flamingos, Tommy Hunt, titled, “Human.” "

http://www.vmsoul.com/dyk.html

https://www.fitchettmannfuneralservices.com/obituary/thearthur-robinson

 

Brilliant investigation, if he was in the ad libs, he’s one boy. 

I also understand that Kenny Sheperd is also Kenny Young - of “ Ain’t It Funny What Love Can Do “ Fame on Share Records ....

Cheers for info mate

On 26/02/2022 at 22:01, Eddie Hubbard said:

I also understand that Kenny Sheperd is also Kenny Young - of “ Ain’t It Funny What Love Can Do “ Fame on Share Records ....

This is on Discogs with a comment saying  "He then began singing with Frankie Beverly in 1969 he now lives in Philly and is still singing in 2016"

Nice one Blackpoolsoul ,great photo 

1 hour ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

Nice one Blackpoolsoul ,great photo 

Thanks but I can't take credit for it as someone else posted it on Discogs