Hi guys,

Here's the first of a few list I'll be putting up. All on GBP:

I have two copies of Darrell Banks - I'm the One Who Loves You (Volt), with no bb hole. But have hairline crackles, NOT affecting play. They're VG/VG+ Both copies are 120, almost half price!

Pat Lewis - Warning (Solid Hit) M 75

Jock Mitchell - Work With Me Annie / You May Loose The One You Love (Impact) M 100

The Artistics - This Heart Of Mine (Okeh) VG+ 65 Vynil looks bad, but plays strong

Edwin Starr - Back Street (Ric-Tic White Demo) EX 80

Johnnie Mae Matthews (Reel) VG/VG+ 75

Richard Fisher - Since I Met You Baby / Turn The Page (Little rick) M- 75

Jim Coleman - It Don't Seem Like You Love Me / Cloudy Days (Sir Rah) VG+ 75

The 21st Century - The Sun Came Out / I Just Can't Forget Your Name (Joy) VG+ 60

Willie Kendrick - Fine As WIne / Stop This Train (Golden World) EX 50

Little Johnny Taylor - Part time Love / Somewhere Down the Line (Galaxy) M- 40

Ronnie Love Chills And Fever (Dot) M 50 Stunnig mint copy, still in its original sleeve with jukebox stripe!

Dee Edwards - Why Can't There Be Love (Bump Shop) VG+ 50

Little Tony - Don't Try To Fight It / My Little Girl (Renfro)M- 40

Robert Ward - I Will Fear No Evil (Groove City) VG+ 40

Joe - L - (I'm Not gonna Be) Worried (Clissac) VG+ 35

Brooks & Jerry - I Got What It Takes (Pt. 1) (Dynamo White Demo) EX++ xol 45

I will be posting more stuff for sale. Will take sane offers

Postage to UK: 4.00 GBP.

you can PMme for further info & questions or send your payment to jacintini@gmail.com

Cheers

Dante

Edited July 18, 200717 yr by Dante

Bump!

I have two copies of Darrell Banks - I'm the One Who Loves You (Volt), with no bb hole. But have hairline crackles, NOT affecting play. They're VG/VG+ Both copies are 120, almost half price!

Do you mean 2 for 120 or 120 each?

Do you mean 2 for 120 or 120 each?

120 each, if not, it would be 1/4 of the price in books wouldn't it?

120 each, if not, it would be 1/4 of the price in books wouldn't it?

Dante are you trying to tell me that Darrell Banks on Volt is worth double 120 which is 240, if so, I'm afraid you are delusional

as is the person who priced it at 200 in the book

Edited July 18, 200717 yr by Pete-S

Dante are you trying to tell me that Darrell Banks on Volt is worth double 120 which is 240, if so, I'm afraid you are delusional

as is the person who priced it at 200 in the book

I said ALMOST half the price, 'cause i saw it at 200 on the book. Tonight It-ll be reduced, I'm afraid.

I'm delusional, anyway...

Edited July 18, 200717 yr by Dante

I said ALMOST half the price, 'cause i saw it at 200 on the book. Tonight It-ll be reduced, I'm afraid.

I'm delusional, anyway...

Don't reduce it on my say-so Dante, you may well get that price for it and I hope you do but does anyone in the world think this record is worth £200?

Don't reduce it on my say-so Dante, you may well get that price for it and I hope you do but does anyone in the world think this record is worth £200?

Don't worry pete, is not for your say:D it's just i don't think it'll sell cracked at that price.

Aparently Mr. Manship think so...

Don't worry pete, is not for your say:D it's just i don't think it'll sell cracked at that price.

Aparently Mr. Manship think so...

Hang on, it says CRACKLES in your first post but now you say CRACKS ... oo-er!

DB worth £80 mint in my book !!

DB worth £80 mint in my book !!

And mine.

And mine.

going on the amount of copies that go through ebay, more like £40

The Artistics - This Heart Of Mine (Okeh) VG+ 65 Vynil looks bad, but plays strong

no offense Dante, but if its VG+, it should look good.

The Artistics - This Heart Of Mine (Okeh) VG+ 65 Vynil looks bad, but plays strong

no offense Dante, but if its VG+, it should look good.

I personally go by the play grade so if I had something that looks terrible I'd just say "looks terrible - plays great - so to be safe, grading at VG+". I think Dante covered all bases really.

Im still looking for the rare records

Im still looking for the rare records

I personally go by the play grade so if I had something that looks terrible I'd just say "looks terrible - plays great - so to be safe, grading at VG+". I think Dante covered all bases really.

I don't know if this is the philosophy with many UK sellers, but I've gotten a bunch of records off of this site from people graded at like EX that I would grade VG- or worse visually. It's misleading to at least not give the visual grade, you can say "plays EX" if you want, but that doesn't make it EX or VG+.

I personally go by the play grade so if I had something that looks terrible I'd just say "looks terrible - plays great - so to be safe, grading at VG+". I think Dante covered all bases really.

So with this mentality, why not just grade the record M- if theres no difference??

So with this mentality, why not just grade the record M- if theres no difference??

Because it's evidently not mint minus is it? F*cks sake don't give me a hard time for sticking up for the guy. If I sell a mint minus record it will have been played once or twice if ever.

Because it's evidently not mint minus is it? F*cks sake don't give me a hard time for sticking up for the guy. If I sell a mint minus record it will have been played once or twice if ever.

Don't listen to them, Pete. They must be into modern, you know...

Kidding

Thanks, though

Edited July 20, 200717 yr by Dante

Hi from a newbie( I've put an intro in the forum)

While we're on the subject can anyone tell me if you have some kind of guide on the forum that would help us new members to understand the grading system most commonly used??I know there's different strokes for different folks,but it gets sooo confusing as to what buyers expect.I've been on various sites and they all seem to have a different idea of what Ex, Vg++, Vg+ etc is.

I'd really appreciate any help and I'm sure there must be others.

Hi from a newbie( I've put an intro in the forum)

While we're on the subject can anyone tell me if you have some kind of guide on the forum that would help us new members to understand the grading system most commonly used??I know there's different strokes for different folks,but it gets sooo confusing as to what buyers expect.I've been on various sites and they all seem to have a different idea of what Ex, Vg++, Vg+ etc is.

I'd really appreciate any help and I'm sure there must be others.

You can guarntee that 99 times out of a 100 if they say its Mint it will be between EX and VG

imho

vg+ should still be very shiney and in extremely nice condition... at first glance it still looks new(ish)

vg++ (or Ex) is a bit better than vg+ but not quite nice enough to be NM

grade conservatively and build up karma points, is the moral to the story.

fwiw...

i do not own any mint items. none. zip. nada.

kind of refreshing to hear someone say that, isn't it.

(well, type it anyway)

imho

vg+ should still be very shiney and in extremely nice condition... at first glance it still looks new(ish)

vg++ (or Ex) is a bit better than vg+ but not quite nice enough to be NM

grade conservatively and build up karma points, is the moral to the story.

fwiw...

i do not own any mint items. none. zip. nada.

kind of refreshing to hear someone say that, isn't it.

(well, type it anyway)

agree also i can say i dont own any mint 45s, mint - yes, its not just the vinyl also the labels

which are important when grading, the ammount of records that you see out that people claim are

"stone mint" "mint" only to have some sign of ring wear, unclean labels, stacking wear.

I don't know if this is the philosophy with many UK sellers, but I've gotten a bunch of records off of this site from people graded at like EX that I would grade VG- or worse visually. It's misleading to at least not give the visual grade, you can say "plays EX" if you want, but that doesn't make it EX or VG+.

Boba, I think you have just hit the nail on the head as to why many so UK soul sellers - including many on this site - are so often bemoaning the lack of sales in recent times.

It's quite noticeable how many soul collectors from outside the UK have mentioned to me that they simply won't buy soul records from UK sources any longer, period. And the most often cited reason is the dreaded UK "EX(cellent)" grading, usually based on the Record Collector (UK) system .

As you've just mentioned, in the minds of many UK sellers, the absolute lowest grading is a VG !!!! And that more often than not looks like it has been run over by a truck !!! One might ask whatever happened to the GOOD/FAIR/POOR gradings !!!

That, coupled with the fact that so many UK soul sellers appear to be to be stuck in a mind-set regarding record values .... a mind-set that says that the value of a soul record will always be what it was at its highest ever point , without regard to current demand or popularity or quantity.

These days, unless a record is a one off, or there appear to be only a handful in existence, one is far better off to be patient and wait for a copy to turn up on (US) ebay (even taking into account all of ebay's many faults and pitfalls) and bid on the open world market where the US Dollar is far weaker than the UK pound, but where the grading - generally speaking - tends to be far more conservative and fairer and there is far less occurrence of other nasty factors such as cue burn or worn out record grooves that you often come across with records that have spent 30 or 40 years doing the rounds of UK northern soul collectors and dealers.

Record Collectors grading system was and is way too strict and inflexible, which is why people created their own gradings (++ etc). Also the RC grading system is NOT used by 99% of Northern Soul dealers, especially, as you say, the VG grade. VG has come to mean anything less than VG+, so people are grading G records as VG. I did start a grade of my own which was "completely f*cking knackered" but it never caught on.

Record Collectors grading system was and is way too strict and inflexible, which is why people created their own gradings (++ etc). Also the RC grading system is NOT used by 99% of Northern Soul dealers, especially, as you say, the VG grade. VG has come to mean anything less than VG+, so people are grading G records as VG. I did start a grade of my own which was "completely f*cking knackered" but it never caught on.

I can't see the point in or any need for ++ or +++, it's either vg or a bit better (one +) or excellent IMHO. Think people use multiple to make a record appear better than it really is.

Edited July 22, 200717 yr by chalky

Thanks guys..I think!!

It's interesting to see that even in this number of replies though,there's some difference of opinion/expectation.I think it will be safest maybe to say,as you've suggested,that I have no mint records and grade conservatively.Hopefully a few people will be pleasantly surprised with their purchases and I won't be selling myself short too often!

Im still looking for the rare records

That's cos you got them all....lol

Time for me bed lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

That's cos you got them all....lol

Time for me bed lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

wish i had mate

VG grade which i take to mean Very Good is really misleading how can any thing be VG when it looks like its been skated on and has clicks. Even if a record is unplayed but has a scratch that clicks must make it Fair not even Good

I can't see the point in or any need for ++ or +++, it's either vg or a bit better (one +) or excellent IMHO. Think people use multiple to make a record appear better than it really is.

If it helps give a better grade of the record, that doesn't bother me - and I personally believe there is a difference between vg+ and vg++ but I;d have to show you rather than tell you

If it helps give a better grade of the record, that doesn't bother me - and I personally believe there is a difference between vg+ and vg++ but I;d have to show you rather than tell you

I think there's a difference between vg and vg++, I'd call it excellent

I think there's a difference between vg and vg++, I'd call it excellent

No, that's EX-

No, that's EX-