i have a promo of james fountain seven day lover on u.k cream

so thats the demo, so what is this?

it looks like its the b.side reprinted over, anyone seen one of these or know what it is? end of run,no more a side labels left?

Read your own post. the clue is in there.......released in US then in the UK, the UK one is a SECOND issue.

Simple

1....US

2....UK

SECOND ISSUE

I was under the impression that the uk was an independent country and not a us state !

It is a UK original 1^st issue ! and it can NOT be a 2^nd issue as it was only released once in the UK .... even my 9yo daughter would understand that Mr Rimmer

Read your own post. the clue is in there.......released in US then in the UK, the UK one is a SECOND issue.

Simple

1....US

2....UK

SECOND ISSUE

Hi Dave,

No need to shout, I can hear you well enough.

What post was that Dave?

Sorry, a second issue does not necessarily mean a reissue / re-release.

What about those records in the States on small local labels that get picked up by the majors for National distribution, are they classed as reissues / re-releases? I bet not. Especially if the issue on the major label happens to be more obscure / rare than the local label, as sometimes happens.

Nah, I'm sticking to my guns. If a record has not been released here in the UK before, then in my opinion, it cannot be classed as a reissue / re-release.

Denbo.

Except if you had read my post you'll find I never used the word RE-RELEASE. So looking at the word doesn't help much because I didn't use it. You did.

I think you'll find it was used somewhere else in the thread. I just picked up on it and expanded on the word reissue.

I was under the impression that the uk was an independent country and not a us state !

It is a UK original 1^st issue ! and it can NOT be a 2^nd issue as it was only released once in the UK .... even my 9yo daughter would understand that Mr Rimmer

Now, now Mr. Cambridge Soul, let's not get personal. These are just our opinions and should be left as such.

But I agree with the first sentence in your posting.

Now, now Mr. Cambridge Soul, let's not get personal. These are just our opinions and should be left as such.

But I agree with the first sentence in your posting.

well Mr Rimmer did shout and told me to read my own post ..... and i do , but as you pointed out maybe he should read his own post aswell ....

all the best David

ps I have a big grin on my face as this is so not important .... but it's fun !

Edited January 20, 200817 yr by CAMBRIDGE SOUL

well Mr Rimmer did shout and told me to read my own post ..... and i do , but as you pointed out maybe he should read his own post aswell ....

all the best David

ps I have a big grin on my face as this is so not important .... but it's fun !

Truly, it IS fun. I LOVE winding up the American Import collectors.

But those amongst them that I consider American Import elitists, like I said earlier, they get right up my nose and they deserve to be wound up, at every opportunity.

All in good fun however.

Except if you had read my post you'll find I never used the word RE-RELEASE. So looking at the word doesn't help much because I didn't use it. You did.

Let's not split hairs Dave, reissue is the same as re-release.

At the end of the day, a record released here in the UK after it has been released in America, is not a reissue but a British release.

Mr. Bang Bang Man on UK Monument, as opposed to it's first release here in the UK on London, is a reissue.

I'm shaking my head here. I cannot understand how you can think otherwise.

Oh well, time for bed. Got an early start tomorrow and I need my kip. Especially after all this hard work.

Night all.

Denbo.

You're just arguing about language here really.

If I still had this it would reside in a cadboard box with my pressings, re-issues etc along with Nabay on Grapevine. I keep Betty Boo & the Happy Cats in a proper case with my other UK originals. That's just what seems right to me.

I was under the impression that the uk was an independent country and not a us state !

It is a UK original 1^st issue ! and it can NOT be a 2^nd issue as it was only released once in the UK .... even my 9yo daughter would understand that Mr Rimmer

Perhaps you ought to tell your nine year old daughter about the UK as well as reissues then.

The UK is not an independent country at all. The United Kingdom is not even a country. It's a conglomerate of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

So, having established that you don't even comprehend the geographical area that records are reissued in, how on earth can you grasp the concept that if a record is released for the second time, irregardless of country, it's a reissue.

By the way, if you go back to my original post on this thread I think you'll find that I said "Can't dispute that it's the first British issue, but at the end of the day, it's a reissue of a record that was originally released in the US." So you are actually agreeing with me.

Glad we sorted that out

Pretty colours by the way, and yes, I've deliberately taken an opposing stance just for the wind up

Edited January 20, 200817 yr by Dave Rimmer

You're just arguing about language here really.

If I still had this it would reside in a cadboard box with my pressings, re-issues etc along with Nabay on Grapevine. I keep Betty Boo & the Happy Cats in a proper case with my other UK originals. That's just what seems right to me.

I don't play my Grapevine out .... but Nabay on Grapevine is a british original and you could play it as it is not a boot or reissue.... and i have seen a demo of Nabay go for £90 on ebay and many US originals go for a lot less ...... it's personal choice , as i said i will not play grapevine's but i would defend someone that played the original British 1st issue grapevine releases from 76 -80 .... I only put tracks on the cd's i give away at my do's that the residents own on original but many do's give away cd's have tracks on that the residents don't own thats there choice ..... but a 1st british issue is a 1st British issue end off .....but i'm sure this thread will keep going for a while yet !

Perhaps you ought to tell your nine year old daughter about the UK as well as reissues then.

The UK is not an independent country at all. The United Kingdom is not even a country. It's a conglomerate of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

So, having established that you don't even comprehend the geographical area that records are reissued in, how on earth can you grasp the concept that if a record is released for the second time, irregardlles of country, it's a reissue.

By the way, if you go back to my original post on this thread I think you'll find that I said "Can't dispute that it's the first British issue, but at the end of the day, it's a reissue of a record that was originally released in the US." So you are actually agreeing with me.

Glad we sorted that out

Pretty colours by the way, and yes, I've deliberately taken an opposing stance just for the wind up

so you can say a stock copy is a reissue with those rules as the demo is the original ..... but as there can be more than one demo issue (in the US ) a stock copy could be a 3rd or 4th issue so the British 1st issue could be the 5th re issue .... what a load of bull.....

a british original issue is not a 2nd issue ..... it could be a world wide 2nd issue but that was not the question !

and no I don't agree with you on this .... had to use colours as could not be bothered to mess around and make the words as big as yours

this could be your next book ... reissue yes or no ......

all the best

David

after all the bargy is the uk first edition worth any thing or is it back as a coaster....

I don't play my Grapevine out .... but Nabay on Grapevine is a british original and you could play it as it is not a boot or reissue.... and i have seen a demo of Nabay go for £90 on ebay and many US originals go for a lot less ...... it's personal choice , as i said i will not play grapevine's but i would defend someone that played the original British 1st issue grapevine releases from 76 -80 .... I only put tracks on the cd's i give away at my do's that the residents own on original but many do's give away cd's have tracks on that the residents don't own thats there choice ..... but a 1st british issue is a 1st British issue end off .....but i'm sure this thread will keep going for a while yet !

I don't play anything out cuz I think having to look after a box of expensive records all night is a pain in the arse but if I'd travelled to a do advertised as ovo i wouldn't be very impressed if they played Grapevine records that had previously been issued in whatever country. I've got no problem with previously unissued stuff like the 100 club aniversary 45's though.

I might get another box though cuz the Betty Boo, Happy Cats & 100 club 45's look out of place in the same box as Stateside, red Atlantic etc.

If any newcomers are reading this thread they'll think we're right nit picking old gits

after all the bargy is the uk first edition worth any thing or is it back as a coaster....

Real world price- a tenner tops for an issue, a touch more for a demo....

in that case joe pams got a new pie dish...

doesn't the pie filling fall through the hole in the middle?

demo issue (in the US )

Ah well, I feel another explanation coming on. You're obviously confused about the difference between a Demonstration copy of a record (Which is given away to DJs and Radio Stations) and an Issue (Also known sometimes as a stock copy and sold in shops).

So there can be no such thing as a demo issue. I thought you'd have understood this with your love of pretty colours. It even applies to the second issues released in the UK.

I don't play anything out cuz I think having to look after a box of expensive records all night is a pain in the arse but if I'd travelled to a do advertised as ovo i wouldn't be very impressed if they played Grapevine records that had previously been issued in whatever country. I've got no problem with previously unissued stuff like the 100 club aniversary 45's though.

I might get another box though cuz the Betty Boo, Happy Cats & 100 club 45's look out of place in the same box as Stateside, red Atlantic etc.

If any newcomers are reading this thread they'll think we're right nit picking old gits

Hi Crumb,you mention twice in your posts,Betty Boo on Grapevine.I think i'm right in saying a previously unreleased track,a UK only release.How much is this selling for?

Ah well, I feel another explanation coming on. You're obviously confused about the difference between a Demonstration copy of a record (Which is given away to DJs and Radio Stations) and an Issue (Also known sometimes as a stock copy and sold in shops).

So there can be no such thing as a demo issue. I thought you'd have understood this with your love of pretty colours. It even applies to the second issues released in the UK.

its a uk issue with the centre in only a small hole to let steam out the us discs dont have centres in mr pikey...

Ah well, I feel another explanation coming on. You're obviously confused about the difference between a Demonstration copy of a record (Which is given away to DJs and Radio Stations) and an Issue (Also known sometimes as a stock copy and sold in shops).

So there can be no such thing as a demo issue. I thought you'd have understood this with your love of pretty colours. It even applies to the second issues released in the UK.

I thought a man like you would know that sometimes there are more than one demo issued for some 45's in the US , that's why I used the term demo issue. As they may have issued more than one .

This is a web board but maybe we should treat our posts as if they are the text of a book when you are on the thread as you like to be picky and twist small sections of the post .

Not sure what pretty colours have to do with it Dave ??????

Let's use a real record and I'll keep it simple for you Dave the same way you make it simple for me

Daybreak I need Love

It was issued by the record company on ;

A white demo

Then issued on an Orange Demo

Then issued on an orange stock copy (official release)

The record company issued it at three different times with three different labels over a short period .... therefore you have a white demo issue , a orange demo issue and a stock copy issue (the official release).... and so the term demo issue or white demo issue is an acceptable term... you may not wish to use it but that's your choice.

I think you are mixing up the term issue with official release.... because if the demo issue is slated then there is no stock copy issued as an official release

Glad we got that sorted

all the best , i'm sure we'll do it again

David

Edited January 21, 200817 yr by CAMBRIDGE SOUL

I don't play anything out cuz I think having to look after a box of expensive records all night is a pain in the arse but if I'd travelled to a do advertised as ovo i wouldn't be very impressed if they played Grapevine records that had previously been issued in whatever country. I've got no problem with previously unissued stuff like the 100 club aniversary 45's though.

I might get another box though cuz the Betty Boo, Happy Cats & 100 club 45's look out of place in the same box as Stateside, red Atlantic etc.

If any newcomers are reading this thread they'll think we're right nit picking old gits

we are !

How about using the phrase 'first UK issue' or similar?

Everyones a winner then

How about using the phrase 'first UK issue' or similar?

Everyones a winner then

tried original british 1st issue ... he would not accept that .... but hey more important things in life then this

No it wasn't, where did you get that uninformed rubbish from? It had a release date scheduled and advance copoies weresent out to reviewers, tv stations etc. That's what a demo is. They didn't do the demo to test demand. Ifthey did, why have many of the EMI labels demos got release dates printed on them?

Demos, Promo's, Test presses, pre releases, is the name for a small number of copies pressed up weeks or even months before the actual release of a record. These are sent out to listed DJs, Radio stations and record reviewers so that they can be tested in various medias i.e Radio, clubs or magazines. Some spurious companies use promos etc. to their own advantage by putting all released copies out as demos, because most people would rather have a demo than a released copy. So in essence Demo's etc. ARE done to test demand before or IF a record is released. When a demo, promo etc. is sent out, in most cases it would have a reaction report sheet with it for the reciever to fill in with their thoughts of the record, and send it back to the record company, so that they could judge demand or reaction with a view to either releasing the track or not depending on reactions recieved. The reason some demos have release dates on is because that is the intended release date. I have many promo records with release dates on, that never actually got released due to lack of good reactions or reviews.

Edited February 22, 200817 yr by steveluigi

i Agree UK 1st issue is orig

but just to keep the argument going what is the original of

Rex Gavin - sock it to em jb

first issed in us on like lable before it came out on atlantic but many dj's play atlantic version

heres a blank Cream issue.......Dave Alcock is laffing upstairs.........

Hi Crumb,you mention twice in your posts,Betty Boo on Grapevine.I think i'm right in saying a previously unreleased track,a UK only release.How much is this selling for?

Yeah, unissued anywhere until Grapevine.

Paid about £10 for mine not long ago but there's one on ebay buy it now for £45. Can't see it selling, but have seen it go for 20ish.

AM I thick or What - Only just found this part of the site!

The James Fountain demo is one of 50 done like that and was done with an ink stamp specially made

I would like the letter though from Cream as I worked at global. So if you wish to sell it I would be interested as I have one of the stamped demos.

thought we had settled this us release is original us release

uk release is original uk release so both are originals in thier own right

thought we had settled this us release is original us release

uk release is original uk release so both are originals in thier own right

Yeh... but my 'Seven Day Malnutrition' was even 'more original'!

Perhaps you ought to tell your nine year old daughter about the UK as well as reissues then.

The UK is not an independent country at all. The United Kingdom is not even a country. It's a conglomerate of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

So, having established that you don't even comprehend the geographical area that records are reissued in, how on earth can you grasp the concept that if a record is released for the second time, irregardless of country, it's a reissue.

By the way, if you go back to my original post on this thread I think you'll find that I said "Can't dispute that it's the first British issue, but at the end of the day, it's a reissue of a record that was originally released in the US." So you are actually agreeing with me.

Glad we sorted that out

Pretty colours by the way, and yes, I've deliberately taken an opposing stance just for the wind up

Dave Magic Night - If you and I had never met UK Pye US Roulette

The US Promo was first pressed thenThe UK Promo then the UK was released apparantly 3 weeks before the US copy- does that make the Pye stock copy the original and the US Roulette the reissue? based on your enlightened view above.

The reason I know this is that I was given copies by a pye rep and I told him Ive got the US promo- He said that PYe had the main licence and roulete had made mistake with the licence(Something to do with the credits) so the UK one was released before the US stock.

Yeah, unissued anywhere until Grapevine.

Paid about £10 for mine not long ago but there's one on ebay buy it now for £45. Can't see it selling, but have seen it go for 20ish.

Kinnell, I'm always lucky to get a tenner for it!