at the St. Ives reunion this saturday the 'Theatre' room (where they used to play Oldies in the 70s) is going to have "Modern Oldies" played in there.

I have my theory as to what a "Modern Oldie" should or may be but have heard many different definitions over the last few months when discussing the term with others.

Can anyone please let me know his/her definition?

thanks in advance.

from a modernist old person with a hint of crossed-over signals from a much loved scene.

Edited October 27, 200816 yr by coops

(Yet again), worth a read if confused as to what "Modern Soul" actually means in this context...

Voices from the Shadows No.13

"Modern Soul" - Rod Dearlove

"Blackpool Mecca and All That: An Investigation into the Roots of Modern Soul" - Tim Brown

Edited October 27, 200816 yr by mel brat

It's as someone said earlier...

... It's a description for any record previously classed as a 'Modern' record, now too old to be truly 'Modern'.... hence 'Modern Oldie'.

End of.

Sean

It's as someone said earlier...

... It's a description for any record previously classed as a 'Modern' record, now too old to be truly 'Modern'.... hence 'Modern Oldie'.

End of.

Sean

Deja vous? (sp?)

Deja vous? (sp?)

Sometimes you've got to tell 'em 3-4 times Pete!

Sean

Sometimes you've got to tell 'em 3-4 times Pete!

Sean

Sean, just run it by me again please,

Pete

Sometimes you've got to tell 'em 3-4 times Pete!

Sean

And on each and every thread regarding "modern soul", which we all know was first coined in (insert date here) by (insert name of choice here)........................................................etc etc etc

To be honest, I always think it helps to have actually been there

And on each and every thread regarding "modern soul", which we all know was first coined in (insert date here) by (insert name of choice here)........................................................etc etc etc

To be honest, I always think it helps to have actually been there

But where did all those people go.... after 1984... Steve?

Are we still waiting for them to return - or did they never really exist?

Sometimes I think everyone else was a figment of our imagination - a mirage - a hallucination.

Then I think of Crofty... sat on the door in his big cardy or his damart... and it all comes flooding back!

But where did all those people go.... after 1984... Steve?

Are we still waiting for them to return - or did they never really exist?

Sometimes I think everyone else was a figment of our imagination - a mirage - a hallucination.

Then I think of Crofty... sat on the door in his big cardy or his damart... and it all comes flooding back!

A lot of them went when I stopped djing Sean. Don't you remember ?

Ah Crofty. The times i drove his Reliant Kitten to Cleggy and back.

But where did all those people go.... after 1984... Steve?

Are we still waiting for them to return - or did they never really exist?

Sometimes I think everyone else was a figment of our imagination - a mirage - a hallucination.

Then I think of Crofty... sat on the door in his big cardy or his damart... and it all comes flooding back!

Seem to remember a lot of folks hallucinating back then Sean

Wouldn't mind betting Crofty's still wearing that cardy

Ah Crofty. The times i drove his Reliant Kitten to Cleggy and back.

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It's as someone said earlier...

... It's a description for any record previously classed as a 'Modern' record, now too old to be truly 'Modern'.... hence 'Modern Oldie'.

End of.

Sean

Not Quite end of....ok example

Some Spinal Tap gentleman...lets call him Sydney Spandex has a penchant for Thrash metal...which as we know is a sub genre of Heavy Metal/Rock...does the promoter of the night who sees Sydney as his target audience advertise his event as...

A) A night of Thrash Oldies and Nu Thrash

or

A night of Thrash Metal

The answer is obviously B...Thrash Metal is a sub genre of Rock...Modern is a sub genre of Soul...all Thrash Metal comes under one umbrella whether it is newly released or 10 years old...because generally it is the same sound...I think the same applies to Modern...if the sound is different...It no longer can be called Modern but falls into another catagory...

I hope this explains my stance on this matter

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Wait until you see what Adrians just bought!

Not Quite end of....ok example

Some Spinal Tap gentleman...lets call him Sydney Spandex has a penchant for Thrash metal...which as we know is a sub genre of Heavy Metal/Rock...does the promoter of the night who sees Sydney as his target audience advertise his event as...

A) A night of Thrash Oldies and Nu Thrash

or

A night of Thrash Metal

The answer is obviously B...Thrash Metal is a sub genre of Rock...Modern is a sub genre of Soul...all Thrash Metal comes under one umbrella whether it is newly released or 10 years old...because generally it is the same sound...I think the same applies to Modern...if the sound is different...It no longer can be called Modern but falls into another catagory...

I hope this explains my stance on this matter

Good job that only you and me realize that you haven't got a clue about what you're talking about Beeks!

Sean

Good job that only you and me realize that you haven't got a clue about what you're talking about Beeks!

Sean

It's late

Wait until you see what Adrians just bought!

Wossat Martin?

One of these?

Wossat Martin?

One of these?

Bit smaller & a wheel less

It's late

Bit smaller & a wheel less

Shocked!

Still always was a practical lad, Adrian.

Couldn't really see him in my wheels.

Good job that only you and me realize that you haven't got a clue about what you're talking about Beeks!

Sean

What about 60s newie oldies ?

Stuff like Doug Banks - Kurt Harris - George Freeman etc ..............etc ............etc..............etc

A new soul night perhaps ! "A night of 60s newie oldies " "with an extra room for modern oldies"

That will confuse the local soul fans who only know the oldies !!! As for the rest of the locals who just want to have a night out !!!!!!

Edited October 28, 200816 yr by mossy

Wossat Martin?

One of these?

A jensen interceptor !

Thats a crappy scimmitar bootleg innit !

Edited October 28, 200816 yr by mossy

A Modern oldie is a pensioner who wears jeans hanging down with the boxers exposed like the yoofs these days.

Does the term Crossover Oldie exist?

Ruby Andrews- Just Loving You would be the first nomination for this category.

Does the term Crossover Oldie exist?

Ruby Andrews- Just Loving You would be the first nomination for this category.

No..............that 45 is just a quality "Accross the board" generally enjoyed Soul oldie nowdays ! (and it was cut in 1968 anyway so its NS Really anyway? )

Crossover is a redundant term nowdays IMO ?? With so much variety and with no clear cut decade to slot your fav 45 into ?

With such a plethora of music to dig !!!!

What about "A night of New release oldie sounding tunes"

Mo

Edited October 28, 200816 yr by mossy

No..............that 45 is just a quality "Accross the board" generally enjoyed Soul oldie nowdays ! (and it was cut in 1968 anyway so its NS Really anyway? )

Crossover is a redundant term nowdays IMO ?? With so much variety and with no clear cut decade to slot your fav 45 into ?

With such a plethora of music to dig !!!!

What about "A night of New release oldie sounding tunes"

Mo

and dont forget 'Tent music'!!!....

Jayne.x

I suppose you could say "Modern Scene Oldies" but then again Northern all-niters had one or two modern jocks 1980-1985ish . So whats Northern Modern Newies ?

I suppose you could say "Modern Scene Oldies" but then again Northern all-niters had one or two modern jocks 1980-1985ish . So whats Northern Modern Newies ?

Northern Modern scene ( first played at the Mecca) revived oldies ?

But really...who cares????

I suppose you could say "Modern Scene Oldies" but then again Northern all-niters had one or two modern jocks 1980-1985ish . So whats Northern Modern Newies ?

northern modern newies?...

could that be Lenny Williams - gotta lotta love, Angie stone - wish I didn't miss you, Sydney Barnes - standing on solid ground then ?????..

well technically, northern niters still do have modern jocks... we had Bob Hinsley, Sean Livesey,Barry Maleady and Flanny at Bury last month..

Oh just bring back across the board!!.

Wouldn't it be good if all Dj's could do a set from any genre - all to the same high standard.

Jayne.x (I'm bored, I'll have an answer for everything)

northern modern newies?...

could that be Lenny Williams - gotta lotta love, Angie stone - wish I didn't miss you, Sydney Barnes - standing on solid ground then ?????..

Not sure Jayne

well technically, northern niters still do have modern jocks... we had Bob Hinsley, Sean Livesey,Barry Maleady and Flanny at Bury last month..

Oh just bring back across the board!!.

Hmmm not heard that lot much . I was told I had heard a Flanny spot at Yarmouth , but that was not really modern more crossover and I fell asleep lol ?

Wouldn't it be good if all Dj's could do a set from any genre - all to the same high standard.

True !

Jayne.x (I'm bored, I'll have an answer for everything)

northern modern newies?...

could that be Lenny Williams - gotta lotta love, Angie stone - wish I didn't miss you, Sydney Barnes - standing on solid ground then ?????..

well technically, northern niters still do have modern jocks... we had Bob Hinsley, Sean Livesey,Barry Maleady and Flanny at Bury last month..

Oh just bring back across the board!!.

Wouldn't it be good if all Dj's could do a set from any genre - all to the same high standard.

Jayne.x (I'm bored, I'll have an answer for everything)

Whats the square root of -1 then jayne

Flippin' eck. We think we've got problems on defining a genre:

Imagine how a House Music forum would get on with some of these styles.....Progressive, Techno, Deep, Disco, Gabba, Soulful, Piano, Handbag, Hip, Hard & Scouse House

I'm thinking it would be things like

1. Will Collins and Willpower

2. Daybreak

3. Larry Houston-Let's Spend Some Time Together

I guess those would have been the ones to get played when it was starting to be recognized as its own sub-genre.

-J.

Mind & Matter - Im under your spell (I think is and old cover up of an old days of casino)

Alfie Davidson - Love is a serious bussiness

etc....

Mind & Matter - Im under your spell (I think is and old cover up of an old days of casino)

Alfie Davidson - Love is a serious bussiness

etc....

Merlin and the Magicians

Alfie Davidson was covered too - can't remember that one though!

Whats the square root of -1 then jayne

square root of everything is obviously The Twisted Wheel! LOL

Jayne.x

northern modern newies?...

could that be Lenny Williams - gotta lotta love, Angie stone - wish I didn't miss you, Sydney Barnes - standing on solid ground then ?????..

Not sure Jayne

well technically, northern niters still do have modern jocks... we had Bob Hinsley, Sean Livesey,Barry Maleady and Flanny at Bury last month..

Oh just bring back across the board!!.

Hmmm not heard that lot much . I was told I had heard a Flanny spot at Yarmouth , but that was not really modern more crossover and I fell asleep lol ?

Wouldn't it be good if all Dj's could do a set from any genre - all to the same high standard.

True !

Jayne.x (I'm bored, I'll have an answer for everything)

Hi Simon,

Oh my gosh - what are you missing!!..

Those DJ's have stunning boxes of vinyl (all genre's), I could go on and on about their credentials. Flanny's got a long history on the modern scene, and the other 3 all

DJ at the Hilton weekenders. Deffo worth a listen. They're all my favourites..

Jayne.x

Wouldn't it be good if all Dj's could do a set from any genre - all to the same high standard.

[Jayne.x

HALLELULJAH!

We got there in the end..........

Steve

HALLELULJAH!

We got there in the end..........

Steve

pmsl....

come on then!, cater for me..

Jayne.x.

Hi Simon,

Oh my gosh - what are you missing!!..

Those DJ's have stunning boxes of vinyl (all genre's), I could go on and on about their credentials. Flanny's got a long history on the modern scene, and the other 3 all

DJ at the Hilton weekenders. Deffo worth a listen. They're all my favourites..

Jayne.x

Edited October 28, 200816 yr by Simon M

Hi Simon,

Oh my gosh - what are you missing!!..

Those DJ's have stunning boxes of vinyl (all genre's), I could go on and on about their credentials. Flanny's got a long history on the modern scene, and the other 3 all

DJ at the Hilton weekenders. Deffo worth a listen. They're all my favourites..

Jayne.x

Well I asked around and people I trust said Im not missing much . But can you direct me to some playlists Jayne ? I did hear Flanny at Yarmouth

you really are one misserable git aint you Murray open your ears and listen to the likes of Flanny you will learn something if only about a personailty for yourself

you really are one misserable git aint you Murray open your ears and listen to the likes of Flanny you will learn something if only about a personailty for yourself

It's the King of Fookin Modern imself!

How's things Mr Pikey Bearsy type Sir?

you really are one misserable git aint you Murray open your ears and listen to the likes of Flanny you will learn something if only about a personailty for yourself

Shut up Mr Bear .. as Pete says , your "The New King of Modern"

as you want a Timeless Legend

Shut up Mr Bear .. as Pete says , your "The New King of Modern"

as you want a Timeless Legend

i realised the date and decided it was a shite tune so its off the wants list now

It's the King of Fookin Modern imself!

How's things Mr Pikey Bearsy type Sir?

to be honest Peter SHITE but life was never meant to be easy

No it doesn't.

nearly though..

Jayne.x

No - it's missed out "60s Newies". Suggestion, if people are so confused why not go to said venue and listen for yourselves!!

Mark C

(Sorry - just seen that someone already beat me to the 60s Newies description!)

Edited October 28, 200816 yr by professorturnups

Merlin and the Magicians

Alfie Davidson was covered too - can't remember that one though!

merlin & the magicians, a poke play at cleethorpes although i'm sure searling got one as well at some point, almost sure it wouldn't have been russ!!!! .... just saying

Ok...this is getting fookin ridiculous...I'm only just getting my head around 70's tracks being called Modern...who comes up with these bloody titles anyway?

My catagories are

R&B

60s

70s

Contemporary

and my modern...which is records released now

PS I will never use the words Nu-Soul for anything...ever

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No..............that 45 is just a quality "Accross the board" generally enjoyed Soul oldie nowdays ! (and it was cut in 1968 anyway so its NS Really anyway? )

Crossover is a redundant term nowdays IMO ?? With so much variety and with no clear cut decade to slot your fav 45 into ?

With such a plethora of music to dig !!!!

What about "A night of New release oldie sounding tunes"

Mo

The term crossover was coined was it not to refer to Soul that appealed to both 6ts fans and Modern Soul fans in that the music was largely from the late 6ts very early 7ts when the 6ts sound was morphing in to the 7ts sound. Hence the crossing over of the two styles. Ruby Andrews' track Just Loving You is a prime example of this style and that is why it has across the board appeal.

merlin & the magicians, a poke play at cleethorpes although i'm sure searling got one as well at some point, almost sure it wouldn't have been russ!!!! .... just saying

Soul Sam certainly had a copy. I kept tapes of his Modern Set from a St Ives Dayer (10/4/83). Here's what he played - Flight, Philly All Stars, Record Player, Jan Jones, Booker Newberry Third, Lady, Ike Strong, Alfie Davison, Mother Fox, Patches, Walter Jackson, King Tutt, E J Rice, Melvin Moore, Will Collins & Willpower, Brothers Gilmore, Charles Johnson, Cecil Lyde, Dee Edwards, Luther Davis Group, Skip Mahoney, Flaming Emeralds, Mind & Matter, Larry Houston

The Booker Newberry hit the Top 10 the very next day!!

Mark C

Ruby Andrews' track Just Loving You is a prime example of this style Shite

Edited October 28, 200816 yr by Teapot

Ruby Andrews' track Just Loving You is a prime example of this style Shite

Anyone who can call Ruby Andrews shite might as well go out and buy a Celine Dion LP...sit in the bathtub and slit their wrists...because there is fook all hope of them ever having even a semblance of taste in music