well when i am buying i work out what i would pay for mint 45
vg+ = 60% of mint max
anything less than vg is only if it is really cheap
remember that you want a 45 that is good enough to sell on again should you ever need the money , and no point having box of crap sounding 45s just cos they are rare , dont buy cheapies in anything less than ex condition as they are usually around in abundance that is why they are cheap.