Robbk

They were pressed in different pressing plants in different parts of USA. The J.J. Jackson on the left looks like an Eastern US pressing (RCA Pennsylvania?), on the right a styrene pressing from Monarch pressing plant in L.A. The Cameo record seem to me one from The Midwest, and one from The East Coast. They all look to be pressings that were out during the original run of the record, first or possibly 2nd pressings, but all during the time the records were charting.

The acetate is most likely from New York, as Rose Marie McCoy worked out of New York. She was part of gene Redd Jr.'s writing team, as was Randall Stewart. So, it's nt surprising that Randall Stewart ended up using the same tune for "Left Out". He was also working for Old Town Records at the time, thus Old Town's Maureen Music got the publishing.

The buyer must get first rights to take over the lease.

Bump up. No one knows anything about this label? Adey? Bob A.? Anyone?

Shouldn't a Mercury record from that period have been pressed both on Stylene at Monarch in L.A. and also on vinyl at Midwestern and Eastern plants? I'm pretty sure I've seen a fair amount of both, but a lot more on styrene than vinyl.

The fast side has a Detroit 1963 style. Here's a link to an audio/video: I'd like to know if people think this is a different New York group, or they were the same Detroit girls who backed Gino Washington in his "Review" (regular local act). Was there documentation of a New York group during 1963-64, and was there evidence that The Rochelles that backed Gino also appeared and recorded as a separate group?

I think Spacey Records were pressed in New York. But, I'd like to know if this was the same Detroit female group that backed Gino Washington on his 1964 Amon and Wand releases on sessions recorded in Detroit. The record label design is similar to Harry Balk's Twirl Records design from 1964, and his writers and artists home town was Detroit, although he often took his artists to New York to record them, and had the records pressed there. I'd still refer to Twirl as a Detroit label. I wonder if "Spacey" had a similar situation. Was there a different "Rochelles" female group in New York, at the very same time(1963-64)? It's really not possible to determine by their sound, if they are the same people, as the Spacey cuts have a distinctive lead singer, but all The Rochelles sang in the background on Gino's cuts. On the You-Tube page where it is uploaded, the record is listed as released in 1964. The uptempo side. "Teardrops" sounds like 1964, or possibly 1963. The ballad side is undatable from listening. Any help would be appreciated.

Waiting to get a great deal (overpayment) to maximise the return, or for someone who wants it so badly, he can get some record back in trade that he can't get any other way.

John Anderson probably brought a box of store stockers to The UK. I lived in L.A. from 1966-1983, and NEVER saw a store stocker in a shop or even in a junk store, furiture store or thrift shop (or at a party, or in anyone's collection for that matter). I saw many white DJs. The store stockers probably never left distributors' warehouses, and never saw the light of day in USA.

Good guess, Roburt. That's the only song by Bailey that I know of published by Jobete Music. So, like you, I'd guess that he wrote it as part of Jobete's New York staff. A lot of New York's prominent Soul music writers moved in the same circles as George Kerr and Sidney Barnes, George Clinton and Gene Redd, Jr. (J.J. Jackson, Juggy Murray, Moe Bailey).

I's not "Northern" sounding, at all. But, "Happy Ghoul Tide" by Ray Oddis (VIP Records), is appropriate for Hallowe'en.

I've never heard of a boot of that record. It wasn't rare. I wouldn't guess there has ever been a reason to boot it. It's been pressed in different plants and independently, and under Atlantic/Atco distribution, and so has very different label design, plastic used, etc. All are likely legit.

I've seen maybe 15-20 white demos over the years I searched for records, since its issue (1966-1983). I've NEVER SEEN a stock issue in circulation. I'd guess that the stock issue is MUCH, MUCH rarer.

Yes Screamin Jay Hawkins did several others in his drunken session. "Little Demon" comes to mind. Also, "Frenzy". There were several more on the "I Put a Spell On You" LP.

I looked up biographies on Don Davis, and found to my pleasant surprise, that none of them listed him as deceased. Sorry, apparently, I had that very wrong. I remembered a thread we had on Soulful Detroit on which someone had stated that he had been negotiating with Don Davis' son. over the rights to release CDs using some Groovesville master tapes of previously unreleased masters. I guess I just assumed that Don had died, otherwise he would have been negotiating that deal himself. But, I see no reason why he couldn't have delegated that job to his son.

So, the18 months after Sept. 1966, would have taken Ric Tic to about early April, 1968. Solid Hitbound probably shut down a little before then (a few months?). Thus, Davis' comment that he didn't sell out to Wingate makes a little sense. I think Davis may have crossed paths with Wingate after Ric Tic ended. We would have known that Gordy didn't buy out Davis and Taylor's Solid Hitbound Productions or Davis' Groovesville Music, because they weren't absorbed into the Jobete Music or Motown Records catalogue (as were the Golden World/Ric Tic/Myto Music properties). This is very interesting, as Gordy DID buy out Wingate (and through Wingate, Wilbur Golden's Correc-Tone, who had sold out to Wingate), Thelma, Artie Fields(Top Dog), and Harry Balk (most of his local Detroit competition, who also recorded using his own Motown musicians). Only Jack Ashford's Pied Piper Productions and Solid Hitbound/Groovesville remained outside, with Mike Hanks' D-Town/Wheelsville USA being forced out of business.

I had to laugh. On the same page as the $3,000 Ivories, is "Just One Look" by Doris Troy, listed as "Rare Northern Soul". There were 0 bids. Just how rare is it? I must have seen several thousand of those in the 50 years since its release. It was a major hit. It's not even "medium rare", or even "well done". It's more like "scorched".

Golden World was already shut down (1966) when Solid Hitbound Productions ceased operations(1968). guess that Ed Wingate was still operating Ric Tic for a few months, but Don Davis didn't sell the masters to him or to Berry Gordy. The Groovesville masters were Davis' alone, the Revilot/Solid Hit masters were Davis' AND LeBaron Taylors, together. They would have shared the proceeds. I had heard that after Davis' death, his son was approached by would-be buyers of all the masters he still controlled (I guess he had sold some off (to Stax, and later, some to Martin Koppel?).

Don is deceased. His son inherited the master. But I don't know whether or not he sold off all or part of his father's master tapes.

Edna McGriff had a lot of songs released that had a male harmony group backing her up. those are very desirable to the DooWop/group Harmony R&B collectors.

Swifty, -given those prices you listed, I think it would have been reasonable for you to have placed a minimum bid level on them that would have been at LEAST 2-3 times the price you received. Are you not allowed to list a bid minimum?

Both are very nice. I'd use both for my records on those labels.

I've always heard that all those '70s Harthon re-issues were legitimate re-issues from Harthon's owners. Is that not so?

Maybe we could also have a Leiber & Stoller Productions sleeve for Daisy and Tiger, Red Bird and Blue Cat records. Then, I could take all my US Red Birds out of the UK Red Bird sleeves I've accumulated. I'd also like sleeves for Kent Records, so I can take them out of the old Modern Records sleeves, and Money Records for Cash and Money records. We also need company sleeves for Keen Records, and SAR Records for SAR/Derby records, also Dig Records, United and States Records, Lenox Records, BobDan Productions for Red Robin/Holiday/Vest/Everlast/Fury/Fire etc., Sue Records for Sue/Symbol/Eastern/Broadway/Crackerjack/AFO Records, Highland Records, Dore Records, Flip Records, Music City Records, Ebb Records, Arvee Records, Bruce Records, Hull Records for Hull and Mascot, Glory Records, Recorded in Hollywood Records, Hollywood Records, Swing Time Records, Leo Austell Productions for Renee/Sta-Set/Mar-Jan/Vick/Conduc/Jerhart/Toi/Big 3/Hawk/Toi, Marvello Records,

I have all my Motown and Tamla 45s in Motown and Tamla sleeves, and all my hundreds of other Motown 45s in generic Motown sleeves. I'd like special Gordy, Soul, VIP, Miracle and Mel-O-Dy sleeves. I'd also like Anna, Harvey and Tri-Phi Record Co. sleeves. Also Check-Mate Records (Typical Chess Records generic style). I'd like Golden World and Ric Tic Record Co. sleeves for Golden World/Ric Tic/Wingate/JW/20 Grand/Maltese/Stephanye/Impact/Inferno/Volkano, etc., Solid Hitbound Productions covers for my Revilot/Groovesville/Solid Hit/A Go Go/Red Cap/La Salle/Brute, etc. Thelma Record Co. covers for my DaCo/Thelma/GeGe/K.O. records, Correc-Tone Record Co. covers for my Correc-Tone/Son Bert/Hit/Hit Productions Records, D-Town Record Corp. for my MAH's/D-Town/Wheelsville USA/Wheel City/USD/MRC/We 3/Tuba/Arc Lark, etc. HOB Record Productions for my House of Beauty/Spartan/Starmaker/Soul records. Mickay's Record Co. for my Mickay's and Ring records. Pied Piper Productions for all their non-RCA/GWP releases Fortune Records, JVB Productions for my JVB, Battle and Von records. Robert West Productions for my Kudo/Silhouette/Flick/Bumble Bee/Contour and Lupine records. Johnnie Mae Matthews Productions for my Northern/Reel/Audrey/Art/Northern Del-La records Ollie McLaughlin Productions for my Karen/Carla/Moira/Ruth records Dave Hamilton Productions for my Topper/Temple/TLC records DJR Productions for my Riley's/Diamond Jim/Big D records Carrie Record Prod. for my Carrie/RiCare/Staff/Lanrod and Arnold records. LaBeat Record Prod. for my LaBeat/Mary Jane/Cool School records. Magic City Records, Groove City Records. Palmer/Soulhawk/Pamline Records. Sidra Prod. for my Sidra, W.I.G. and Drew Records (which can also be in those already made (counterfeit) Drew covers. Chex Records for my Chex/Volume/Voice/Spin/Astronaut/Chrysler/Poptone records. Danceland Records, Lando Records for my Lando and Nu-Sound records. Hi-Lite Records for my Hi-Lite/REM/Pillar records, Twirl/Storm Records. Non-Detroit: United Record Distributors for my One-Derful/Mar-V-Lus/M-Pac/Toddlin' Town/Midas/Kellmac records, Zodiac Records for Zodiac/Aquarius/Duo records, St. Lawrence and Satellite Records, Cortland Records for my Cortland/Witch/Ermine records, Parrot Records for my Parrot/Blue Lake records, Chance Records for my Chance/Sabre Records, Old Town Records Corp., Apollo Records, Savoy Records, Prestige Records, Tuff Records, Fantasy/Galaxy Records, Randee/Markie Records, Mel London Productions for my Chief/Profile/Age/Starville/Tamboo records, DM(Daniels/Moore) Productions for my Bright Star/4 Brothers/JadanDan-Dy/Hit Sound/Chi-City/All Star/Ambassador records, Master Key Productions for all my Master Key and Key-Lock-related labels, Giant Records, Daran Records, Salem/Nation Records.