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It sounds like what would result from Van McCoy having written and produced a song at Universal in Chicago in 1974, with Willie Henderson arranging and a Chicago group singing.

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I know we've had a thread on this before, but what is the story behindd the gold wax being used on The Professionals' record? Was that BEFORE the black vinyl issue?

Was that a legitimate re-issue, after the original sales run started selling well, or a legitimate re-issue for The NS market? After good local sales on Dynamic, the record was leased to Imperial Records, so the owner probably couldn't release that record with picture sleeve, just locally, after the national lease. Or, was it a bootleg, later, for The northern Scene? I don't remember seeing that issue back in the '60s. And, I really doubt that the original owner of dynamic Records would have issued that record on red plastic, and doubt that he'd have spent the money on the picture cover printing before the record started selling well.

Yes, that label was NOT used during the 1960s in Detroit. That voice is NOT Chris Clark! Not a chance! Someone just wrote that name on much later than the recording was made. The songs sound like Jimmy Webb's writing, but the style of the recording sounds 1970s. The singers on Jobete Music acetates were often justthe writers, or writers' demo singers. I wouldn't be surprised if those songs were nevereven recoprded by contracted Motown singing artists, let alone never pressed on plastic (other than the Jobete song ownership"proof" acetate). Maybe they were targeted for MoWest or Motown's '70s C&W label.

Yes, '76 might be right. I was trying to estimate the year by using the delta #. My list only goes to 96,000. In any case, I can't imagine that Roger Bass got them pressed up in L.A. when he was in Detroit, just to ship them all to The UK for the NS market. I remember that Soussan was getting boots pressed up at Monarch at that time.

It was pressed up at Monarch Pressing Plant in Los Angeles in 1974 (Delta # 102402). It was rumoured that it was pressed up by Simon Soussan. If it had been a legitimate re-issue by the owner, Roger Bass (or whoever owned Sound, Inc.) in Detroit, why was it pressed in L.A. Should we really assume that British record dealers paid Bass, or whoever owned the rights to Sound City's recordings, for issuing that record? I rather doubt that.

Sorry about my misinformation. I was going by my memory, which was clearly wrong. We had a thread on Canadian Detroit releases some years ago that discussed this. I guess I remembered having seen those red Ric Tic Edwin Starrs, and thought they were also Canadian Ric Tic, but they must then be bootlegs.

There were some others. There were one or two late Edwin Starrs, and records by one or two other artists (Detroit Emeralds?) Didn't we have another thread discussing this that also had the label scans?

Here's another of their releases on a classic Chicago label (disgusting joke!) It was listed as being arranged by an ex-neighbour of mine in San Mateo, California. But, I think that was just a joke, as were the credits on the Lost Nite parody record:

Here's the original, by the same exact group/line-up:

I thought Flint said in his interview that HE had sung lead on the Wise World cuts. If so, why wouldn't his singing with a backup group be good enough? Gus Winfield (deceased) was the original and main lead, sang lead on the Thor/Nike cuts. But, I seem to remember that Flint said that HE, himself, sang lead on the Wise World cuts. Now I see that I heard it incorrectly, as Donald Lloyd was the lead on the Wise World cut. So, as Donald is deceased, and Flint is the only member of the group who still sings (Robert Vincent in Seattle, is retired), there was no demand to bring Flint and his new group to The UK.

The Magnum issue was released in mid 1965, the MGM acouple months later, and the Mutt & Jeff, I believe, was issued in 1967. I think the Good Old Gold was issued in the late '70s.

Charles Perry's "Move On Love" was first released on Magnum Records, and picked up (leased) for national distribution by MGM Records. Originally produced by Joe Jefferson, it was later released as an oldie (a couple years later on Jefferson's own Mutt & Jeff Records. Good Old Gold was cheaply made (poor quality) oldies label. I'm not sure whether or not they even paid for the rights to issue those recordings, they certainly don't sound like they were made from the master tapes.

Flint Lloyd, still living in St. Louis found out about his group's fame when he was contacted by Bob Abrahamian for his interview about the group. The one other group member is still alive, Robert Vincent, who now lives in Seattle. He was contacted by Lloyd, and told about their Northern Soul fame. Lloyd has a new group that appears at venues in the St. Louis Area. I wonder if Bob A. connected him with anyone in The UK that could have arranged for him to bring his new group to Britain to perform, (especially as Flint Lloyd was the lead on the two Wise World cuts)?

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Where exactly in Chicagoland do you live? And how long have you been listening to Soul music?

I checked the articles on the 11 pages in the News Section, and none of the titles listed "The Salvadors". I'd like to read your article to see if it has anything I missed. Can you please find it for us and direct us to it?

With a name like "The Yank", and posting in The UK's middle of the night, I assume you are located in USA. Is that so? I find it interesting that you know about a 1961 "poppish" release. Almost nobody but a Chicagoan would know about Colbert's Thor Records. Are you from Chicago?

Here's the proper Nike "A-E-I-O-U" side:

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Here's The Salvadors' "Daddy Said", remake of Luther Dixon's "Mama Said" from the male point of view, on the proper Nike Records:

Here are scans of their Thor WDJ record:

They were a Black group from St. Louis. They started singing while in high school in 1957. They wrote their own songs. From 1957-59, they had 5 members: Gus Winfield, Robert Vincent, Leroy McGhee, Carl Stark and another Carl. In 1960, Donald Lloyd joined, replacing Carl Stark. The other Carl dropped out, making them a foursome. In 1961, his little brother, Flint Lloyd joined, replacing McGhee. In the Nike and Wise World groups, Gus Winfield was the lead, Flint Lloyd was 1st Tenor/Alternate Lead, Donald Lloyd 2nd Tenor, and Robert Vincent sang both the Baritone and Bass parts. Winfield led on""A-E-I-O-U". Flint Lloyd led on the 3 other songs on their 2 releases. They were discovered in 1961, by E. Rodney Jones while he was DJing in St. Louis. He became their manager, and took them to Chuck Colbert in Chicago. who signed them. In late 1961, Colbert recorded them at RCA's Chicago studio, and released a record on the group on his new label, Thor Records. It featured a male version of Luther Dixon's "Mama Said", with of one of The Salvadors' own songs on the flip, titled "A-E-I-O-U". After some local Chicago sales, somehow the owners of another Thor Records, located in New York, found out about it and threatened a lawsuit. So Colbert re-issued it in spring 1962 on his newly-named Nike Records. I found a copy of the Thor WDJ a few months later, with the word "Thor" blacked out with marker, and Nike written by hand. Colbert used Thor DJ copies to promote his new, Nike release. I remember seeing a poster or two with them listed, and seeing a photo of them. They appeared in some venues in Chicago during the early '61 and early '62. Despite the almost 5 years between record releases, the group did make some local appearances between, but only in St. Louis. They broke up in late 1962, but , and again once before 1965. From '65-67, the gigged in St. Louis, unti late 1967, when E. Rodney Jones again took them to Chicago, and hooked them up with Joshie Armstead. She recorded them at Universal Sound. They appeared at a few venues in Chicago, but their record didn't sell at all, and got almost no airplay. It sold moderately in St. Louis, due to their local appearances and consequent popularity. They continued to play venues there until late 1969, when they broke up for the last time. We were correct in guessing that the two different colours on the Wise World label were due to 2 different press runs. One was run in St. Louis to meet local demand there, as the local DJs were playing it, but none of the records from the Chicago press run had made it down there. They had a lot more sales in St. Louis than in Chicago because the group mostly appeared in St. Louis. *What I didn't already know about the group history was taken from group member Flint Lloyd's interview with Bob Abrahamian on his radio show, from his "Sitting In The Park" website. They surely didn't sound like Blue-eyed Soul (Caucasians) to ME! And, since when did Joshie Armstead produce White acts???