George G

yes, although it was not directly related to a record search. dried blood also (indeterminant species). Ask people who have done storage salvage...fun! There should a be a 'auto bingo' like game for record digging.....see how many of these you encounter: cat urine spiders mouse/rat leavings smoke/fire damage crusty (food) gunk crazy guy who wants to show you porn crazy guy political/conspiracy rants crazy guy racist/anti-Semitic rants etc...

Food? yawn.....feces, body fluids...now we're talkin!

I don't really think much of the record but looking at the writer names and label (and listening) I can guess their general background. I will be curious to know if I am right if the story is revealed.

Here's another J2 record. Some copies have the artist as Pebble Episode, which is the correct name. Vincent Oddo was the engineer as you can see from the fine print. "Tripsey" is an instrumental. https://www.popsike.com/rare-VINCENT-ODDO-psych-garage-45-J2-label/110741623212.html

Just to make clear I did not win (or bid) on these auctions, I already have a clean copy of the record in my collection. I did post about it though. I believe the winner of the first auction is an active member on SS. I thought that it may have been the same copy that was listed and that first sale fell through, but I'll take your word there were two copies. I didn't check the sound quality, I assume that it plays noisy. The flip side is a good ballad, it's too long though and suffers from subpar mastering. If anyone cares, it was recorded in January 1974. - george

Right, certainly bragging rights to having the 'only known copy' of a record as a Northern Soul DJ is a big deal. Far more than having the same for garage 45s or doowop 45s. Maybe something like Tefteller buying the first and only known D.A. Hunt 45 on Sun is vaguely comparable as just about anyone who collects records respects the Sun label, like the music or not.....

Isn't there a new topic about this every nine months or so? Someone here with more knowledge can probably find the older topics. As in all genres of collecting there are 'one known copy' records according to legends. In almost every case that is not true and there are more copies but the people that have them are either not in 'the loop' or rather not disclose what they have.

I assumed they were inspired by theatrical drama by Edward Albee called "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf" rather than Ms. Woolf herself. The play was a major popular culture item in the US during the mid 1960s. But maybe not...

Having looked over old BB mags for 30+ years, I've discovered that you can't believe everything you read in them. Probably just transcription errors but this is one.....Smith did not own Slambeat music, that was Mills' house publishing since 1965 when he started the GAR label in Missouri.

AFAIK the Spotlight label from Toledo had two 45s - Marty Cash and the Bonnevilles. There are both 'urban hillbilly' records and date from '63/'64 ish. A long way from soul

The song on Wheedles Groove is called "nothing in common". I tried to find a listing from Collectors Frenzy but there were none - probably because it's only worth about 15 bucks. Here it is from Youtube - including a hilariously dumb comment about 'having the album as a kid' - what, four years ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKtmu2tIAjM

I have a 45 from the late 1970s (I think) by BroHam, as the group was known. The artist credit reads one of the Hammond brothers (maybe Larry - I haven't looked at the record in a while) instead of Broham. One of the songs is on the original Wheedles Groove comp. I don't know if there's a later 45. 1980s = trashcan for me.

I can't say if this is true or not....but snipe bids don't go through if there is a higher bid already, depending on when the snipe timing is set. It's very possible a snipe bid was set to $7950 for one second after the two highest bids...or not. But don't assume that no bids tallied means no bids were intended. On records this rare, the musical merit is often irrelevant to the desire of the object. I have first hand experience with that mindset.

Not just replying to you but to everyone....this section listed records that someone(s) guessed that they might hit the charts. They are forward looking predictions not based on any feedback other than the BB reviewers. None of these record had to have airplay to reach this. The last record on this list, Natasha by Glas Menagerie, is a Philly area garage 45 and probably 10x rarer than the Jimmy Mack record in terms of copies in circulation. I doubt it got played anywhere other than maybe a couple times on a local station. There were other rather rare and valuable garage records that made this list (on other weeks). I don't know how records made the list. I do know that BB had reviewers that were sent records and they actually auditioned them. It's also likely that they were just reacting to hype provided to them by promo guys - 'this record is gonna be a smash' - and added them to the pile without hearing. Back in the 1980s (and probably before) people more aggresive than me were contacting old BB reviewers to see if they kept a closet full of records. I never heard of any great scores from this.

At least three copies in the US. I'm pretty confident in saying there are more, 5-8 copies in the US is probably about right

I'm sure someone here can provide a lot more info, but this is Chuck Corby, a white guy from Pittsburgh - it was his group that recorded other 45s as well, some of which are a rock/soul sound. I think it's from '67 or '68. The label is from Pittsburgh as well, it started in the 1950s and knowing Pittsburgh, I wouldn't be surprised if it was still active!

I never understood the use of 'OG' outside of the limited area of rap and hip hop sampling. Considering that a lot of the people using this term are not well versed in what true 'originals' are - they often seem to be using it for some non specified copy of the source of the sample or beat, rather than the actual original issue of a record that's been available in various editions - at least that hase been my experience as someone from the outside looking in. I guess it seems to be everywhere but that doesn't mean I need to use it or respect it. Yeah, a lot of the current buzz words like 'vinyl', 'digger', 'crate', etc sound stupid to me but it's understandable that a generation who did not grow up with records needs to come up with a new lexicon for them. They sound dumber spoken then they do written in a conversational forum like this. Sometimes I feel like carrying a dirty shovel so I can hand it to someone if they ask me if I'm a 'digger' or a 'crate digger'. Besides 'holy grail' - talk about a tired cliche phrase - I've heard 'white whale' as well - at first I thought they were talking about the record label but it was really a Moby Dick reference to an illusive sought after item. The older generation has some dumb terms as well - 'piece' being one that always bugged me, such as 'that record is a rare piece' - the only 'piece' I want is followed by 'of cake' - not to mention it's also slang for handgun. My favorite - 'pants wettingly rare'!

Last week at an antique mall I bought a bag of records for a few bucks. In there was an issue/stock of Charlene and the Soul Serenaders - Can You Win on Volt. I knew the record was something and then I saw the Manship auction results from a month or so ago. I presume that is probably not a realistic value. There was also a copy in Sales for offers and closed out as sold. What is this really worth and why is it so expensive? I assume it's a really big record in the UK/Europe at the moment and this is one of those supply and demand things? My copy is not in the best of shape so I need to think about if I want to move it while it's hot.

Robb, That looks like the standard Gateway pressing labels and font. They were similar to the Atlantic distributed labels. It does say manufactured by Gateway, although it's missing the usual GQP code on the label, maybe it's in the deadwax. I don't have this but I have a different 45 on Chartbound, an excellent 'Pittsburgh sound' instro by Simon and the Piemen.

I think 'the yank' is referring to stock copies of YS and HK. The promos of these records are not rare. I don't know about the stock copies but if long time collectors say they're rare, I'll take their word on it. I don't really care that much about stock vs promo if the songs are the same (which is true about for 95% of 60s promos). As far as Verve stockers go, stock Magic Plants (the record I mentioned earlier) are pretty rare. Some of the Mothers Of Invention and Velvet Underground stock 45s are scarce, but since these artists were relatively successful and sold LPs, they probably had more stock 45s made then a no hit one shot group like the High Keys. Collectability of VU records will last for at least another generation so I expect the VU stocks to continue to bring big money. I'd like to see a stock MGM VU 45.....I'm not sure one is known to exist.

Also for MGM stock copies of the two Seeds 45s were thought for a long time not to exist, but a copy or two of each has surfaced.

There's a book that lists all the masters for MGM and Verve. I don't have it but I've seen it - it cost a lot of money when it was published. There's a garage 45 that was supposed to be on Verve, it was listed in Greg Shaw's want list for 20+ years and even made an Osborne price guide, but it's not in any source material regarding the label, so I presume it was a misprint. The Velvet Underground "White Light.." was claimed to have two different flip sides. The VU pic sleeve is super rare, even rarer than the Stones "Street Fighting Man" sleeve. The only really valuable garage 45on Verve is the Magic Plants - it's not especially rare on promo, but it's one the best of the genre and always in demand.

Are there other recordings of "No time for you"? I have a demo recording (tape only) by a girl band (self contained on vocals and instruments) from Ohio, it's charming but nothing like these versions. I was wondering if there were more out there.

My experience with horn rock bands was that the horn players were jazz musicians who wanted to play improvised solos and complex arrangements in rock contexts. These bands were not from Chicago, they were from Cleveland, Youngstown, and most of them never released records, although I have some demos. They didn't sound like the Mob or the Buckinghams at all. Sure they were some soul (and more so, funk) influences, but not as much as jazz and Mothers of Invention type sounds. The singers often had the deep 'macho' style vocals that were common in bands of the time, which could be heard as trying to sound like a David Clayton Thomas type soul belter, but was equally from Steppenwolf or Iron Butterfly. Some of the bands I knew, back then and from more recent conversation, were fans of Sun Ra, "Bitches Brew" (a wildly popular set with underground rock heads), ESP label stuff in addition to the usual people of the time. I said it was a tedious topic.....one of the things that drove me to the Stooges, Velvet Underground, etc in the early 70s.

Not really, but that's a long and tedious topic onto itself. Horn rock came from jazz much more than soul. Sax was the original co lead instrument for rock-n-roll.