Just read the excellent UK holy grail thread & then saw this on e bay.

https://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-MODERN-SOUL-BOOGI...7QQcmdZViewItem

Any more?

Off you go.

Just read the excellent UK holy grail thread & then saw this on e bay.

https://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-MODERN-SOUL-BOOGI...7QQcmdZViewItem

Any more?

Off you go.

The Alfie Davison 12"

Curtis 12

Both spring to mind but are you asking for sounds that came out on 12" only as this would make them rarer with no seven available.

The Alfie Davison 12"

Curtis 12

Both spring to mind but are you asking for sounds that came out on 12" only as this would make them rarer with no seven available.

Just 12" 'Holy Grails'. Don't matter if they got a 7" release as the 12" is normally a different mix anyway.

Good call on the Alfie Davison, far better version IMO but wouldn't call Curtis a holy grail as not that rare.

We had a long and very interesting thread about rare 12"s about two years ago:

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/Rarest-...-12-t43458.html

Well worth a revisit!

Edited May 17, 200916 yr by Sebastian

Bill Brandon " Space age lover"

Vicky Sue Robinson - turn the beat around (RCA)

Eddie Holman - this could be a night to remember (Salsoul)

What was the first 12" single...Was it Daddy Cool by Boney M?

reckon it might have been t connection do what you wanna do, if it isn't ,it's famous for something like first to sell more than the 7 or something

What was the first 12" single...Was it Daddy Cool by Boney M?

Nah............................... it was "Ten Percent" by Double Exsposure (Salsoul)

Dunno 'bout "holy grail" 12s ...............but my "dream" 12 would be Charles Johnson "Never Had A L ove So Good"........y'know during the fade when he

really

starts singing ? Another couple of minutes of

that

pleases

Cheers Paul

We had a long and very interesting thread about rare 12"s about two years ago:

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/Rarest-...-12-t43458.html

Well worth a revisit!

Was hoping no one would have remembered that thread

Right about the revisit though, great thread.

Was hoping no one would have remembered that thread

Right about the revisit though, great thread.

I did one , about four years ago . The rest are

Edited May 17, 200916 yr by Simon M

Charles Johnson as a 12"?? What a great idea!!

Theres one out there I"m sure................................................an' it"s got my name on it

Cheers Paul

Edited May 17, 200916 yr by soul shrews

Lovin' ls Really My Game-Brainstorm..... Holy Grail or not ......So much better than the 7"

what sort of money is it worth ?

Your name on it???? Never never never never

................................aint neva found a twelve like this befow......in all the daaaaaaays ah my life

Cheers Paul

not sure if its rare but been after one for years with no success

Chamberlain - Tease ( C.E.C. )

saw it on a playlist years ago so assume it exists, think Steve Davis played it on his show from 12" as well.

steve

Just read the excellent UK holy grail thread & then saw this on e bay.

https://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-MODERN-SOUL-BOOGI...7QQcmdZViewItem

Any more?

Off you go.

For me its

Al Mason - Good Lovin' - Al & The Kidd

Hotliners - Cold Hearted - Budweiser

Also quite intrigued about Wes Black - I Feel Good (Feeling Good) - Highland. Its twice as long as the 7" on Star West which states that its part 2, so what does part 1 sound like? Need the 12" to find out. I wonder if I'll Always Be In Love With You is longer as well?

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by John Reed

Nah............................... it was "Ten Percent" by Double Exsposure (Salsoul)

Dunno 'bout "holy grail" 12s ...............but my "dream" 12 would be Charles Johnson "Never Had A L ove So Good"........y'know during the fade when he

really

starts singing ? Another couple of minutes of

that

pleases

Cheers Paul

Spot on! A 12" of Charles Johnson featuring the full take unedited take of the 7" would be my personal holy grail.

Bit offtopic: I understand the Alston/TK tapes are all accessable, has any record company shark ever tried to find out if they are tapes of the recording session of Charles Johnson?

For me its

Al Mason - Good Lovin' - Al & The Kidd

Hotliners - Cold Hearted - Budweiser

Also quite intrigued about Wes Black - I Feel Good (Feeling Good) - Highland. Its twice as long as the 7" on Star West which states that its part 2, so what does part 1 sound like? Need the 12" to find out. I wonder if I'll Always Be In Love With You is longer as well?

Think I've got 1 tucked away somewhere, anybody after it ?

Bill Brandon " Space age lover"

Nah, not rare Simon. I got one of these off Soul Bowl's disco list for £1.25 in 1982 etc etc etc etc etc and Cunnie has a cd of a new remix by MC Trouble, which he played to me down the phone only yesterday. Plus its not on his wants list so it can't be that hard

Seriously, I always loved this when Richard played it. Does he still have it ? If not, who does ?

Can there be a 12 rarer than this ?

Nah, not rare Simon. I got one of these off Soul Bowl's disco list for £1.25 in 1982 etc etc etc etc etc and Cunnie has a cd of a new remix by MC Trouble, which he played to me down the phone only yesterday. Plus its not on his wants list so it can't be that hard

Seriously, I always loved this when Richard played it. Does he still have it ? If not, who does ?

Can there be a 12 rarer than this ?

Super Dooper Rare hey ? I think Searling still has it , well so Sam says, its on his scribble pad as a want

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by Simon M

what sort of money is it worth ?

40 QUID IN THE RECORD COLLECTOR.I SOLD ONE LAST YEAR ON EBAY FOR ABOUT 8 I THINK.

WRIGHTY.

Charles Johnson as a 12"?? What a great idea!!

Charles Johnson was the first one that sprang to my mind. I saw one for sale recently, can't remember where... Manship's site?

Neil Jones (BurySoul) might be the man to ask, he's got one of those, and a brainstorm 12" and the Eddie Holman track on 12' too (clear vinyl thing he's

had since 1812 or something like that!)

I remember Neil playing the brainstorm 12' at a golbourne nighter many years ago and then a few of them trying to dance all the way through it....

(was a good long while ago! )

Jayne.x.

Charles Johnson was the first one that sprang to my mind. I saw one for sale recently, can't remember where... Manship's site?

Neil Jones (BurySoul) might be the man to ask, he's got one of those, and a brainstorm 12" and the Eddie Holman track on 12' too (clear vinyl thing he's

had since 1812 or something like that!)

I remember Neil playing the brainstorm 12' at a golbourne nighter many years ago and then a few of them trying to dance all the way through it....

(was a good long while ago! )

Jayne.x.

Bill Harris and Charles Johnson 12'' are myths

Isn't the Eddie Holman 12" the same mix as on the album?

Bill Harris and Charles Johnson 12'' are myths

bought it from rob grant at birmingham hilton 2004.. I've got a clip of it on my phone.. I've just played it to make sure

I'm not thinking of the wrong record and it's deffo Charles johnson...

maybe I'm wrong...

Jayne.x

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by Miss BurySoul

bought it from rob grant at birmingham hilton 2004.. I've got a clip of it on my phone.. I've just played it to make sure

I'm not thinking of the wrong record and it'd deffo Charles johnson...

maybe I'm wrong...

Jayne.x

Dozey cow!.... But don't you think charles johnson and Mark VI sound so alike?

I was thinking of Mark VI - if you can't tell me something good, which was the 12' purchased at birm.

I'll get me coat!

Actually, a touch of last minute research shows me that expansion did put charles johnson out on a 12 in 2001 so I wasn't going daft.

Jayne.x .

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by Miss BurySoul

Actually, a touch of last minute research shows me that expansion did put charles johnson out on a 12 in 2001 so I wasn't going daft.

Jayne.x .

Which mix did they put on the 12"? The original 7" mix?

Which mix did they put on the 12"? The original 7" mix?

not sure but I suspect so..

I'm still convinced I've heard a longer version. Maybe that's what too much vodka does to me!

Jayne.x

Spot on! A 12" of Charles Johnson featuring the full take unedited take of the 7" would be my personal holy grail.

Bit offtopic: I understand the Alston/TK tapes are all accessable, has any record company shark ever tried to find out if they are tapes of the recording session of Charles Johnson?

I should imagine theres quite a few interesting tapes apart from Mr Johnson....................Lew Kirton, Betty Wright etc

Dont suppose Kent /Ace would be interested ........................or would they? Tone ? Ady ?

Which mix did they put on the 12"? The original 7" mix?

Its the 7 inch mix Benji..............................as far as I know there is no 12, as I said it would be my

dream

12 to find

Cheers Paul

idris mohammad- heaven could be like this. always pricey on 12" for some reason.

40 QUID IN THE RECORD COLLECTOR.I SOLD ONE LAST YEAR ON EBAY FOR ABOUT 8 I THINK.

WRIGHTY.

iv got a copy on miracle is that worth anything............cant stand it to be honest

iv got a copy on miracle is that worth anything............cant stand it to be honest

Not really

It's not worth a great deal on Tabu to be honest, about 20 quid

12"s and 7"s are completely different markets

There are some "holy grail" 12"s that are very common on 7": Brainstorm - We're on our way home, and Norman Connors - Once I've been there, are two.

The Mark IV is a different mix to the 7"

12"s sound, sonically, much better than 7"s (and LP tracks), which is why they are generally more sought after from a DJ perspective.

The Jackie Stoudemire is a great track BTW and has been "reissued" recently. I believe most of the TAP stuff goes for money.

Quite a few 7"s have been "reissued" as 12"s, and I can't vouch for their authenticity, most noteably, The Gifted Four on Ham Sem, Family of Eve on Full Sail and recently the great Midnight Express on Tri Fire.

I posted a while ago about a 12" release of SPG - loveland. Does any one have any info about this?

I love 12"s

Richard

The Jackie Stoudemire is a great track BTW and has been "reissued" recently. can anyone post info on this reissue please. Graham

On Numero

Google it. It's probably generally available.

Reissues 'spit'

idris mohammad- heaven could be like this. always pricey on 12" for some reason.

Really ? have a 12" demo of this somewhere didn't think it was that rare...

The Jackie Stoudemire is a great track BTW and has been "reissued" recently. can anyone post info on this reissue please. Graham

Only the track "Invisible Wind" has been reissued on 12":

https://www.numerogroup.com/catalog_detail.php?uid=00318

The rest of the tracks on her original TAP 12" along with a great unissued tune can be found on the TAP compilation CD/double-LP:

https://www.numerogroup.com/catalog_detail.php?uid=00331

I personally prefer Arnie Love's version of "Invisible Wind", much better vocals and more punch compared to Jackie Stoudemire's version.

I've seen both versions but never heard the Arnie Love. I just assumed (wrongly obviously) that they were different releases of the same record. There is another great Arnie Love record the name of which escapes me (also on tap I believe)

As to who pays a lot for Independent 12"s? Well quite a few people it would seem. I've recently seen lots of 12"s go for what I would consider much more (up to twice in some cases) than their "book price". There is also a "healthy" (if that's the right word) market in "reissues" or bootlegs, some very convincing especially if buying from ebay, so beware.

Threads like this make me realise how insular the rare soul scene can be and once you think you've got a bit of knowledge behind you, bang a load more different music appears.

I love it

Richard