If you do, please state what the record is, or better still, send us a scan.

Thanks.

Denbo.

If you do, please state what the record is, or better still, send us a scan.

Thanks.

Denbo.

looks like er nothing i've seen before literally

kev

looks like er nothing i've seen before literally

kev

I know, I'm trying to attach the scan as we speak.

Don't know what happened first time round?

looks like er nothing i've seen before literally

kev

Right, let's see if this works???

Yes I do but they are German releases

Yes I do but they are German releases

Can you send me a scan?

Are you saying that your German copies look exactly the same as the scan of mine?

Can you send me a scan?

Are you saying that your German copies look exactly the same as the scan of mine?

Yes they do.

Yes they do.

Any chance of an example scan?

Any chance of an example scan?

Theyr'e all in my house in Somerset, I'm not.

Theyr'e all in my house in Somerset, I'm not.

That's no excuse. :o)

Weekend perhaps?

Looks more like ex-UK colony to me. That 'copyright control' thing is never UK - South Africa, New Zealand, maybe?

This is the UK Copy of Cafe Regios / Shaft.

The one pictured above is definitely not UK, although they both have same serial number.

Sean

HI ALL ...IS THERE A UK DEMO OF THIS 1st RELEASE:ph34r:??? DAVE KIL

New Zealand press is quite different (or as different as a still yellow label stax 45 can get), so not NZ. Australian ones usually say Australia. The German Stax 45s I've seen didn't have the label edge writing in English. I agree that it is weird not having a more solid clue. That copyright control stamp is really familiar.

If it's not German or Australian, then it's South African

If it's not German or Australian, then it's South African

I would have thought Aus or SA issues would have had solid centres, Pete. Could also be Dutch IMO.

Irish Stax?

Irish Stax?

Oo, now that's a possibility.

Oo, now that's a possibility.

Wouldn't have thought so to be honest, Tony and Denbo. Irish pressings of records looked deadly similar to their British counterparts - looked and felt the same, and even had the same types of centres (quite similar to Indian pressings of UK records).

I think it's more likely to be European IMO (eg, Germany or Holland).

Wouldn't have thought so to be honest, Tony and Denbo. Irish pressings of records looked deadly similar to their British counterparts - looked and felt the same, and even had the same types of centres (quite similar to Indian pressings of UK records).

I think it's more likely to be European IMO (eg, Germany or Holland).

Yeah, but why is the copyright stuff etc in English?

I have a Tami Lynn 'I'm Gonna Run Away etc. . . ' on Irish Polydor, which is only similar to the English Polydor and has no 'Made in England' on it like the English release. So, Irish Stax could be a possibility.

Steve G might be able to help if and when he sends in scans of his German Stax releases.

Steve G might be able to help if and when he sends in scans of his German Stax releases.

Yup, I might still have one example in the lock up down the road. Depending on how the England games goes might venture down there later.

Another interesting one.

German Stax Copy (or so it says on the net).

Same number too!

Sean

Yeah, but why is the copyright stuff etc in English?

I have a Tami Lynn 'I'm Gonna Run Away etc. . . ' on Irish Polydor, which is only similar to the English Polydor and has no 'Made in England' on it like the English release. So, Irish Stax could be a possibility.

Steve G might be able to help if and when he sends in scans of his German Stax releases.

What does that bit in the box say?

What does that bit in the box say?

If you're talking about the scan I posted up, COPYRIGHT CONTROL.

Why?

Here's the German one.......

Edited June 23, 201015 yr by Rbman

Here's the German one.......

Interethting (with a German accent)

Interethting (with a German accent)

Well it says "Made in Germany" on the label but i suspect it was actually made in Poland.........

Well it says "Made in Germany" on the label but i suspect it was actually made in Poland.........

In that case . . . . . "Ciekawe" (with a Polish accent)

...and here's what copies from the the Land of the Rising Recordprice look like:

...and here's what copies from the the Land of the Rising Recordprice look like:

That's DEFINITELY not a British release.

I recognise that square emblem on the right, underneath the serial number from when I used to work as a buyer in record retail... Possibly Spanish or Portuguese, I seem to think.

Edited June 23, 201015 yr by son of stan

I recognise that square emblem on the right, underneath the serial number from when I used to work as a buyer in record retail... Possibly Spanish or Portuguese, I seem to think.

To which scan are you referring?

I would have thought Aus or SA issues would have had solid centres, Pete. Could also be Dutch IMO.

I have exactly the same copy as the one in question, but with a solid centre, sorry no scanner, but attached a photo. i always thought it was aussie, but perhaps SA or Rhodesian

Could it be possible that denbo's centre has been cut out?

Edited June 24, 201015 yr by julesp1905

I'm laying money on Aussie.

I'm sure I've got a 45 with the 'Copyright Control' box on, and since I don't own any South African or Rhodesian 45s it narrows it down to Aussie.

Could it be possible that denbo's centre has been cut out?

yep, Australian press which has been dinked. case closed.

yep, Australian press which has been dinked. case closed.

Hey, I'LL decide on whether or not this case is closed.

For instance, how do you explain how an Australian copy of the record was bought by me, when it came out, at a new release record sales shop here in the UK?

Case NOT YET closed.

Having said that, that last scan of the label is the closest / almost the same as mine.

Hey, I'LL decide on whether or not this case is closed.

For instance, how do you explain how an Australian copy of the record was bought by me, when it came out, at a new release record sales shop here in the UK?

Case NOT YET closed.

Having said that, that last scan of the label is the closest / almost the same as mine.

Is your label flat, or does it have a sloped incline towards the centre?

I have always thought mine to be aussie, it is quite possible that they were pressed in the UK for the OZ market, hence no country of origin printed on the label, export copy perhaps? certainly not meant for UK distribution, but not saying that some couldn't have ended up being sold here

To which scan are you referring?

To yours. But since it looks identical to the Australian one, it may be entirely possible that I am talking through my jacksee..... again.

To yours. But since it looks identical to the Australian one, it may be entirely possible that I am talking through my jacksee..... again.

Possibly

Right, that's it, case closed. I'm going to call it an Aussie release, despite buying it over the counter here in the UK.

Must be one of those pressed for export that never got exported.

Regarding the supposedly australian copy:

What can be found in the run-out grooves?

Is the info scratched or stamped?

Can any of the following numbers be found anywhere:

670

690

710

P71

Regarding the supposedly australian copy:

What can be found in the run-out grooves?

Is the info scratched or stamped?

Can any of the following numbers be found anywhere:

670

690

710

P71

You're not about to give in so easily are you?

I will check when I get home at the weekend and get back to you.

What is the significance of those numbers in the run-out grooves?

What is the significance of those numbers in the run-out grooves?

They are codes for different european pressing plants. 710 is Norway or example.

Edited June 24, 201015 yr by Sebastian

Regarding the supposedly australian copy:

What can be found in the run-out grooves?

Is the info scratched or stamped?

Can any of the following numbers be found anywhere:

670

690

710

P71

Mine has 670 as part of a matrix stamp number

A side AA 2025 069 1W1 670

B side AA 2025 069 2W1 670

They are codes for different european pressing plants. 710 is Norway or example.

I thought as much. Nice one, I'll get right on it when I get home.

Cheers Seb.

Mine has 670 as part of a matrix stamp number

A side AA 2025 069 1W1 670

B side AA 2025 069 2W1 670

670 is the code for a pressing plant in Holland / Netherlands.

If the matrix info on your copy is machine stamped, then your 45 is definitely pressed in Holland.

I've got another 45 right in front of me which reads "Made in Holland" on the label and its a-side matrix number is:

AA 6059 206 1W1 670

Edited June 24, 201015 yr by Sebastian

It is Australian.....or pressed for the Aussie market anyway. The Copyright Contol box with the Treble Clef in it on the righthand side of the discs is a state of South Australia mark (was then anyway). You can see the S and the A on either side of the clef.

Not the best scans in the world... but here are two Holland 45s which both have got the "copyright control" logo on their labels:

More of the same:

More of the same:

Sebastian,

Do you own these records as vinyl too? Or, do you collect label scans and these are part of your collection?

I notice you're always very helpful and forthcoming when it comes to information like this and you very often support your facts with scans.

Collecting scans of labels is nearly as attractive as collecting the vinyl but has it's obvious shortcomings.

Do you have everything collated for easy access?

It is Australian.....or pressed for the Aussie market anyway. The Copyright Contol box with the Treble Clef in it on the righthand side of the discs is a state of South Australia mark (was then anyway). You can see the S and the A on either side of the clef.

Could the S and the A stand for South Africa instead?

Sebastian,

Do you own these records as vinyl too? Or, do you collect label scans and these are part of your collection?

I notice you're always very helpful and forthcoming when it comes to information like this and you very often support your facts with scans.

Collecting scans of labels is nearly as attractive as collecting the vinyl but has it's obvious shortcomings.

Do you have everything collated for easy access?

The five scans I posted above are from records that I have sold during the past couple of months on eBay. I save the scans and soundclips of everything I sell.

I'd love to keep everything I find, but sadly can't afford to do that.

I see no reason NOT to be helpful when it comes to these things, it's just facts/info and we all benifit from learning new stuff.

Edited June 24, 201015 yr by Sebastian