aka Sister lee instrumental

aka Sister lee instrumental

Unreleased Goodie

Andy

Unreleased Goodie

Andy

Don't be soft, it's f*cking phenomenal, listen to the drummer, he's a genius...Andy Rix thinks it could well be Benny Benjamin. Sorry Andy, but anyone who doesn't like uptempo detroit instrumentals needs their ears syringing, and that applies to everyone who is thinking of adding the comment "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah

Love instrumentals, just not this one Pete, sounds like a 20 second sound bite played on a loop, imo anyway

Andy

Love instrumentals, just not this one Pete, sounds like a 20 second sound bite played on a loop, imo anyway

Andy

Oh well...so do you not like Sister Lee either then??

This sounds a lot like "hanky Panky" I think.

Instrumentals seem to be my thing of the moment for some reason but I can't say I am keen on it

Not for me sounds like it could have been just made and put on a loop no break's or nowt in it.

Don't be soft, it's f*cking phenomenal, listen to the drummer, he's a genius...Andy Rix thinks it could well be Benny Benjamin. Sorry Andy, but anyone who doesn't like uptempo detroit instrumentals needs their ears syringing, and that applies to everyone who is thinking of adding the comment "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah

well you will get em Pete...comments i mean.. cloth ears string to mind

well you will get em Pete...comments i mean.. cloth ears string to mind

Cloth ears? Pete or the 39 members, myself included, who have listened to it and decided it's not for them or not worth commenting on? Ask yourself this, what reaction would the vocal get now if it turned up after years of only knowing the instrumental, it would be massive!! I don't think this version will have the same impact, time will tell eh!

Andy

P.S luv the vocal

"instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah

very Tin Pan Alley.

I know what your saying about it being repetitive and that, but at the end of the day, it's the instrumental to Sister lee and that makes it genius in my book

that sound...phenomenal

"instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah

very Tin Pan Alley.

have to agree with col pete

i can't see how instrumentals can be soulful. they can be great - grow your own by the small faces, green onions, soul limbo, loads of others - but they're not soul in my book

have to agree with col pete

i can't see how instrumentals can be soulful. they can be great - grow your own by the small faces, green onions, soul limbo, loads of others - but they're not soul in my book

Who cares about soul? I'm talking about NORTHERN soul. Oh, and tell the Soul Brothers that they aren't soul musicians while you're at at

have to agree with col pete

i can't see how instrumentals can be soulful. they can be great - grow your own by the small faces, green onions, soul limbo, loads of others - but they're not soul in my book

What about the Deadbeats - No secocond chance? Or Paradox?

Of course instrumentals can be soulful. Tell me John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul.

Instrumentals like this, on the other hand, are the kind of 'music' that can make the scene look foolish in the eyes of ousiders: a basic, clearly unfinished rhythm track lacking anything in terms of musical interest such as modulation, harmonisation, changes in tempo etc.

The practice of playing these things reached its nadir for me with the trotting out of the obviously unfinished backing tracks for such classics as She's Wanted In Three States and If You Can't Be True: who in their right mind would play these when they owned the finished vocal versions; the answer: a set of deejays who's interest is in showing the world what great connections they might have in order to obtain said tracks.

I have no problem whatsoever with instrumentals that were fully conceived to be instrumentals, but I suspect that even the musicians who put down tracks like the one above would be faintly amused to think that people would be actively seeking and playing such items forty years later. They are mildly diverting historical curios, and are perhaps of academic interest to those who might be concerned with the studio processes of the great bands and producers, but to play them at dances is a bit desperate, if you ask me.

But thanks, as ever, for posting it Pete.

Of course instrumentals can be soulful. Tell me John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul.

Instrumentals like this, on the other hand, are the kind of 'music' that can make the scene look foolish in the eyes of ousiders: a basic, clearly unfinished rhythm track lacking anything in terms of musical interest such as modulation, harmonisation, changes in tempo etc.

The practice of playing these things reached its nadir for me with the trotting out of the obviously unfinished backing tracks for such classics as She's Wanted In Three States and If You Can't Be True: who in their right mind would play these when they owned the finished vocal versions; the answer: a set of deejays who's interest is in showing the world what great connections they might have in order to obtain said tracks.

I have no problem whatsoever with instrumentals that were fully conceived to be instrumentals, but I suspect that even the musicians who put down tracks like the one above would be faintly amused to think that people would be actively seeking and playing such items forty years later. They are mildly diverting historical curios, and are perhaps of academic interest to those who might be concerned with the studio processes of the great bands and producers, but to play them at dances is a bit desperate, if you ask me.

But thanks, as ever, for posting it Pete.

Thats as maybe. But the instrumental of Exus Trek is better than the vocal.

Oh, and I appreciate the thank you Gareth

Edited March 14, 200619 yr by Pete-S

aka Sister lee instrumental

hi pete great to here this again first heard this in late 70's early eighties along with inst too eddie's my name and afew others that cropped up at the same time

Of course instrumentals can be soulful. Tell me John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul.

OK. John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Soul is in the voice.

Exus Trek is better than the vocal version in my opinion too. This very topic cropped up in the pub on Friday night.

Who cares about soul? I'm talking about NORTHERN soul. Oh, and tell the Soul Brothers that they aren't soul musicians while you're at at

you anticipated comments saying 'instrumentals aren't soul' (which i what i said), not 'instrumentals aren't northern soul' (which i didn't)

What about the Deadbeats - No secocond chance? Or Paradox?

in what way is the deadbeats an instrumental, ian? or soul?

OK. John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Soul is in the voice.

Dan...Ben E King once asked the question "What is soul", and the reply he got was "Soul is Bari Track you deaf git"

in what way is the deadbeats an instrumental, ian? or soul?

Can only locate vocal version (at work). Each to his own on the soulful issue I guess.

OK. John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Soul is in the voice.

Spot on Dan IMO. used to listen to house music a fair bit and people would discribe certain 'instrumental' tracks as soulful! (all though saying that a good sax can add some soul) bolocks soul is in the voice, the words, the pain that the singer is feeling! you cant say them things with an insturment, soulful house IMO is a track with singing in it its what makes it soulful, just because a instrumental record was made in the 60's by a black musision dont make it soulful IMO, never been a fan of them so i guess its just my own personal taste at the end of the day

Spot on Dan IMO. used to listen to house music a fair bit and people would discribe certain 'instrumental' tracks as soulful! (all though saying that a good sax can add some soul) bolocks soul is in the voice, the words, the pain that the singer is feeling! you cant say them things with an insturment, soulful house IMO is a track with singing in it its what makes it soulful, just because a instrumental record was made in the 60's by a black musision dont make it soulful IMO, never been a fan of them so i guess its just my own personal taste at the end of the day

============

Agree with you and Dan about instrumentals, soul is within the voice. Far more emotive and expressive IMO, and lyrics make all the difference, I'm not sure you can communicate the anguish and despair within some records via instruments only.

Instrumentals were great back in the day, pounding along, with ready made drop/spin breaks where the chorus used to be, but in general not for me these days.

Winnie:-)

Love instrumentals, just not this one Pete, sounds like a 20 second sound bite played on a loop, imo anyway

Andy

boring and monotonous regardless of who the drummer is you gotta be under the influence of something to want to hear summat like this

Dan...Ben E King once asked the question "What is soul", and the reply he got was "Soul is Bari Track you deaf git"

quality response peter

i know you got soul, if you didn't you wouldn't be in here

Exus Trek is better than the vocal version in my opinion too. This very topic cropped up in the pub on Friday night.

i usually find your arguments very well-reasoned and interesting gareth (and usually agree with them too) but i have to say you and pete must have been in the same pub taking the same mind bending drugs if you think exus trek is better than if it's all the same to you .

as exus trek, it's a great tune - the sort of thing that would have been at home in a car chase scene in a 60s james bond film. as if it's all the same to you, it's one of the greatest northern soul records ever and it's a soul record, too.

tempted to put this one to the poll as well, now that i've worked out how to do it

i usually find your arguments very well-reasoned and interesting gareth (and usually agree with them too) but i have to say you and pete must have been in the same pub taking the same mind bending drugs if you think exus trek is better than if it's all the same to you .

as exus trek, it's a great tune - the sort of thing that would have been at home in a car chase scene in a 60s james bond film. as if it's all the same to you, it's one of the greatest northern soul records ever and it's a soul record, too.

tempted to put this one to the poll as well, now that i've worked out how to do it

The vocals on If Its All The Same To You ruin a damn good instrumental.

And don't bother with the poll, it's always the same people who bother joining in

He has a point. And it was Exus Trek that got most plays originally.

How about the vocal to "Lady Lady Lady" - Boogie Man Orchestra (yes I know it's modern and all that), but they too ruin a brilliant instrumental.

John.

boring and monotonous regardless of who the drummer is you gotta be under the influence of something to want to hear summat like this

You ought to have that printed on a t shirt cos you say it every time we talk about instrumentals

He has a point. And it was Exus Trek that got most plays originally.

How about the vocal to "Lady Lady Lady" - Boogie Man Orchestra (yes I know it's modern and all that), but they too ruin a brilliant instrumental.

John.

I didn't even know there was a vocal to Exus Trek til the mid 80's!

By the way, Bari Track is better than I Miss My Baby as well. Ten times better. IMMB is good, but it's better as an inst.

You ought to have that printed on a t shirt cos you say it every time we talk about instrumentals

actually I usually say "there's no soul in an instrumental"

actually I usually say "there's no soul in an instrumental"

I apologise

Agree on Bari Track, and how about Strings A Go Go - much better as instrumental.

I apologise

apology accepted

Agree on Bari Track, and how about Strings A Go Go - much better as instrumental.

Ah...but great as it is, I don't think it's a 'soul' record...you know, like Wade In The Water is a soul instrumental. Northern Soul, no doubt about it. Frantic Escape is another great soul instrumental.

Hmmm. ok, it's a dance record.

How crap would vocal to Hank Jacobs sound though!!!

Cloth ears? Pete or the 39 members, myself included, who have listened to it and decided it's not for them or not worth commenting on? Ask yourself this, what reaction would the vocal get now if it turned up after years of only knowing the instrumental, it would be massive!! I don't think this version will have the same impact, time will tell eh!

Andy

P.S luv the vocal

applies to everyone who is thinking of adding the comment "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah

that is the point

The vocals on If Its All The Same To You ruin a damn good instrumental.

And don't bother with the poll, it's always the same people who bother joining in

i won't bother with a poll pete but only because you'd just end up with one lot of people saying the instr was better and another lot saying the vocal was better.

all i will say is mrs richards from fatty owls would be voting with you.

as would van gogh and pinky the deaf juggler and unicyclist (https://www.pinkythejuggler.com/)

============

Agree with you and Dan about instrumentals, soul is within the voice. Far more emotive and expressive IMO, and lyrics make all the difference, I'm not sure you can communicate the anguish and despair within some records via instruments only.

Instrumentals were great back in the day, ...

Winnie:-)

Alrite Winnie

yep the instrumental's have waned big time,tho has been said much rubbish was pushed out back then.

"newer sounds" have gotton more soulful with great vocals.

However prefer the Funk Bros versions of them supremes sounds, Junior Walker sang through his sax,

It's the opening bars of tunes that normally grab me; Jades, Dean P, Carol Anderson and loads more.Sidra's theme dont need no vocals

Tho agree this track is not great on my cloth likes either, sorry pete but thanks for posting.

danny

Of course instrumentals can be soulful. Tell me John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul.

Just in case somebody hasn't heard this very soulful recording, here is a live version.

___Track04Re1.mp3

Another soulful instrumenatl by Clark Terry.

Clark_Terry___Nahstye_BluesRe1.mp3

Just in case somebody hasn't heard this very soulful recording, here is a live version.

More tearful than soulful. Thankfully I no longer have a gas oven.

Edited March 14, 200619 yr by Soulsmith

Don't be soft, it's f*cking phenomenal, listen to the drummer, he's a genius...Andy Rix thinks it could well be Benny Benjamin. Sorry Andy, but anyone who doesn't like uptempo detroit instrumentals needs their ears syringing, and that applies to everyone who is thinking of adding the comment "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah

I'd rather listen to Ronnie Verrell now he was a genius. He was the drummer in Frank Skinner's house band.........before that he did the 'drum licks' for Animal in the muppets.

More tearful than soulful. Thankfully I no longer have a gas oven.

Yes, it is a sad sound.

A less harrowing piece which is very soulful in my mind is this lovely instrumental.

Leaving_Rome___Jo_Jo_BennettRe1.mp3

The only good modern soul record is a broken one... Well I wish you would break that load of old pants of an instrumental ...terrible record

Sister Lee Sam Ward I would agree is great NS but please lets not degenerate into playing this sort of stuff next thing you will be playing R&B instrumentals ! God Help Us

Thats as maybe. But the instrumental of Exus Trek is better than the vocal.

Agree. Ditto Festival Time.

Colin

Unreleased Goodie

Andy

Sorry got to agree with andycambs on this one.

Edited March 14, 200619 yr by asboannie

"instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah

Heard someone else say that Colin, I said what about Earl Wright Thumb a Ride....They said yea that's allright but that's all....then I said what about The Brothers Are You Ready for This....they said yea that ones OK to.....Also Steve Karmen Breakaway the Instrumental is better than the vocal & we could go on all night with this....

Jon Buck

Edited March 14, 200619 yr by jonbuck

The only good modern soul record is a broken one... Well I wish you would break that load of old pants of an instrumental ...terrible record

Sister Lee Sam Ward I would agree is great NS but please lets not degenerate into playing this sort of stuff next thing you will be playing R&B instrumentals ! God Help Us

Sister lee is great - but the backing track to it is terrible. have you heard yourself???

Heard someone else say that Colin, I said what about Earl Wright Thumb a Ride....They said yea that's allright but that's all....then I said what about The Brothers Are You Ready for This....they said yea that ones OK to.....Also Steve Karmen Breakaway the Istrumental is better than the vocal & we could go on all night with this....

Jon Buck

I wouldn't call them soul, northern soul yes.....there's a difference IMHO

I wouldn't call them soul, northern soul yes.....there's a difference IMHO

I have always said the same, Northern Soul and Soul two diffrent animals IMO