ANYBODY KNOW WHAT IDIOT HAS BID £206.00. FOR SKIP MAHONEY'S JANICE ON OVENCHIPS AUCTION WITH 20 DAYS TO GO.

I DID HEAR IT WAS A GUY CALLED TOMMY WHO IS "DEAF-DUMB AND BLIND".

AND LIKES TO PLAY PINBALL?.

Carmen Miranda it is then!!! 

Take your point about voicing opinion on likes/dislikes. I just sometimes get the feeling that because someone likes stuff from 70's, they are in some way inferior to someone who likes say, 60's. I personally just love Soul music, and listen to it on its merits.

I like all the banter, I just feel that people have blinkered opinions sometimes, whereas me being a cool, laid-back kinda fella  tries to listen to a track without pre-judging. 'It must be shit, it's from 1973' mentality is what I see as a problem.

Mine's just one opinion in a sea of millions, who give's a toss what I think!

Jamie

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quite right jamie i never hear 70's people slagging northern soul because thats our roots and we love it because it's soul music.if people are really total soulheads then they should take of the blinkers.who would argue with the likes of keb,butch,soul sam & randy who were all original 60's only [and i've seen your 70's shelf mick and i know you secretly love them].i rest my case.

Have you flipped it over?

A very nice tune on the other side as well in my opinion. 

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When that lazy swine of a Postman decides to make it, I most certainly will. Infact, I can always get Brett to play it down the phone for me

Thanks for the tip, Seb.

Jamie

Once again we are in the midst of a 60's/70's divide (hey i don't take it to serious...they are only records ) Must agree whole heartedly with Jamie, to me it is just a sound that enters through my ears and then attacks my nervous system, if it makes me wanna get up and move and slap the fellow next to me, then that is all i have ever judge a slice of vinyl on.......Why Oh Why is there a constant wall of loathing from the 60's brigade (i'm one of these..take a look at my collection) against 70's and 80's soul.(Carl Hall has got one of the most wonderful voices i have ever heard,Harold Tyler on Tymo ,Herman George on Bet (to name just two) are staggeringly good records (of course thats just my opinion, but once again.......music is SUBJECTIVE). Lets not fall out over this but appreciate that we are the "Lucky Ones".......We have Choice.

You all take this music WAY to seriously.

I used to think it was the b all and end all, but it's not.

Your kids are.

Full stop.

You all take this music WAY to seriously.

I used to think it was the b all and end all, but it's not.

Your kids are.

Full stop.

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Not sure I agree with you there, Pete.

I don't take it too seriously, that's why my ears are open to 60's, 70's and onwards.

To me, the people who do take it too seriously are those that will only listen to one specific type of music. I ain't knocking it, cos if you know what you like, you know what you like.

I just love hearing news sounds, different tempos, different vocal styles, different productions and different era's.

If you talk to me about my pathetic love for my football team, then I agree with you.

Nowt to lose your hair over is it Pete??

Jamie

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I would rather listen to The Ramones than Garland Green.

gabba gabba!

pete do you ever dj at all-nighters? seems like it would be a fun set of northern stompers, garage stompers & punk headbangers...& maybe a little chic?

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gabba gabba!

pete do you ever dj at all-nighters? seems like it would be a fun set of northern stompers, garage stompers & punk headbangers...& maybe a little chic? 

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No Wendy, I used to dj a bit, not much, but I ought to send you the contents of my I-Pod (actually its not, its a creative labs but it holds 10,000 tracks) it's like listening to the best radio station in the world, honest (actually I should qualify that statement - theres about 1000 n.soul 1000 ska, probably 1000 60's, couple of hundred punk, couple of hundred late 70s early 80s, smattering of dub, some hip hop (public enemy, nwa, odb), must be 1000 nuggets type tracks (60's garage and psych) and blah blah blah, 100s of Bowie, Slade, T Rex as well)

There is no deep or modern soul but theres one al green album and an ann peebles one.

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nowt to do with the topic really,but i read somewhere that joy division where gonna do a cover of nf porter "keep on keeping on",suppose it would have been better than paul wellers efforts

nowt to do with the topic really,but i read somewhere that joy division where gonna do a cover of  nf porter "keep on keeping on",suppose it would have been better than paul wellers efforts

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They used the chord sequence and the riff for one track, I think it's Interzone, might be wrong, it really doesn't sound like it until someone points it out...thats when Searling & Anderson were giving them studio time

Jimmy -

It was never more than a mess about really - not meant for release. But they did use the riff from "keep on keeping on" in "Interzone" (check out their Unknown Pleasures album) Seminal band though... heyzeus... from Janice to Joy Division in ten easy steps

Ha ha great minds, eh Pete...

nowt to do with the topic really,but i read somewhere that joy division where gonna do a cover of  nf porter "keep on keeping on",suppose it would have been better than paul wellers efforts

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I find that highly unlikely my diminutive lancashire friend. I can't think of one cover that Joy Division did and NF Porter didn't exactly have that Manchester Factory sound now did he, i can't even imagine Martin Hanett getting off on it to be honest. Now if you'd have said it was A Certain Ratio then i could see that they might but even so......

Ha ha great minds, eh Pete...

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It's uncanny

I think I'll wait 5 minutes and let you gto first in future.

p.s. do you want to join my pop quiz team in a death match against the SSCDT ?

I find that highly unlikely my diminutive lancashire friend. I can't think of one cover that Joy Division did and NF Porter didn't exactly have that Manchester Factory sound now did he, i can't even imagine Martin Hanett getting off on it to be honest. Now if you'd have said it was A Certain Ratio then i could see that they might but even so......

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Wrong

Jimmy -

It was never more than a mess about really - not meant for release.  But they did use the riff from "keep on keeping on" in "Interzone" (check out their Unknown Pleasures album)  Seminal band though... heyzeus... from Janice to Joy Division in ten easy steps

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I shall have to dig that out tonight one of my all time favourite albums is Unknown Pleasures

I shall have to dig that out tonight one of my all time favourite albums is Unknown Pleasures

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Like I said, you wouldn't really notice unless you were told about it, I think I read it in Ian Curtis' wifes book years ago

Wrong 

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Not really as far as i can see from your posts they didn't cover it but used a sample or riff from it toatally different cunthooks :tomato2: (been dying to use that word for ages)

Not really as far as i can see from your posts they didn't cover it but used a sample or riff from it toatally different cunthooks   :tomato2: (been dying to use that word for ages) 

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WRONG, just admit it Mr Post Punk Manchester

F*** Off Noddy Wannabe

never said they did the cover johnny know it all,my little southern friend

Is this point where the whole topic descends into madness?

never said they did the cover johnny know it all,my little southern friend

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Who you calling Southern

Who you calling a puff????

You all take this music WAY to seriously.

I used to think it was the b all and end all, but it's not.

Your kids are.

Full stop.

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I called my first born Lee David, he doesn't talk to me anymore. Any connection?

Well I like Janice by SM, and the disco shit ! Christ, I even like Jazz funk and 60's Northern - oh, can I put some soulful house on that list as well.

I still do go to Northern night's and do little bits of DJing, mixing up Jazz funk/northern and R&B. What is good, is when Jazz Funk punters come and inquire about a particular Northern track being played - it does happen. What's happening at some of the venues up North with the more liberal music policy is very commendable .

I know we are all welcome to our own option, but some of the comments on this thread are just unberlivable.Where the hell do you want the Northern scene to be in another 20 years time ? Keep this musical isolation crap up, and it will be the equivalent of a Tea Party, because that will be the average age of the punters. The biggest influx of new punters onto the Northern scene was with the Mod revival of the late 70's and 90's, with older people coming back after family commitments had all left home. I don't see any future influx !!!

Funny thing is, that most of the Northern artists at one time covered funk, R&B and disco, but there can only be given respect for there Soul tracks....jezzzzzzzz !

Just one other thing, some of the rarer Northern records that have seen completely destroy the floor, but put this Janice crap on, and punters get out to dance. Sounds like the solder out of step to me......

RANT OVER

Is there an icon for "We've all had a drink" when a topic descends into "madness"?

It would look like the little smiley man pushing two opponents apart with an exasperated look on his face.

Jamie: Willie Wade is on Nite Life, and I think it's brilliant. The epitome of the kind of 60s Northern that appeals to modern soul fans too.

They used the chord sequence and the riff for one track, I think it's Interzone, might be wrong, it really doesn't sound like it until someone points it out...thats when Searling & Anderson were giving them studio time

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JUST THINK OF THE 25 COUNT BOX-THE JOY DEVISION GAVE TO JOHN OF THERE 1st RECORD-HE JUST THREW 'EM IN HIS SKIP. THEY ALSO ASK HIM TO MANAGE THEM-HE TURNED THEM DOWN-DON'T LIKE POP GROUPS. THAT'S WHAT RUMOUR SAYS.

JUST THINK OF THE 25 COUNT BOX-THE JOY DEVISION GAVE TO JOHN OF THERE 1st RECORD-HE JUST THREW 'EM IN HIS SKIP. THEY ALSO ASK HIM TO MANAGE THEM-HE TURNED THEM DOWN-DON'T LIKE POP GROUPS. THAT'S WHAT RUMOUR SAYS.

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"An Ideal For Living" EP - still worth about £75

"An Ideal For Living" EP - still worth about £75

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CORREC-TONE.

late 90's jamie yes mick had it off me and sold it for £206

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I got my own back on him for you, Taff.........Minnie Jones for a few trades. Mick, I love you Jo

I sold you that didn't I Jo, for some ridiculous price like 50 quid

"An Ideal For Living" EP - still worth about £75

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am I right in saying that

he refuses to speak about this time to anyone ?

janice is a brilliant tune. for me it opened the doors to the wonderful world of modern soul and gave me an escape tunnel from the mindless mouldy oldies that were dominating venues like wigan at the end of 70s/beginning of the 80's. did u know that it was the flip that was first played? btw, coming back to the scene after 15-20 years and hearing all the new 60's stuff i've missed whilst away has been wonderful - there's nothing positive about this slaggin off genres that u don't understand

janice is a brilliant tune.  for me it opened the doors to the wonderful world of modern soul and gave me an escape tunnel from the mindless mouldy oldies that were dominating venues like wigan at the end of 70s/beginning of the 80's.  did u know that it was the flip that was first played?  btw, coming back to the scene after 15-20 years and hearing all the new 60's stuff i've missed whilst away has been wonderful - there's nothing positive about this slaggin off genres that u don't understand

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If you listen to the Wigan tapes from 79, 80, 81 there are masses of modern things being played, sometimes off 12" ers that last 20 minutes, bloody horrible things like Omni and Rosey Jones and Larry f*cking Houston, the 70's gems like Will Power are few and far between and I just stopped going so I didn't have to hear this sort of crap. And I still won't go anywhere that plays it, that is not what Northern Soul is about to me. Meanwhile, both I, and you if you stopped going, missed Richards fantastic new 60's discoveries around that time, and there are loads of them...but they still mixed them in with the 70's and I do not believe that it works.

Wonderful world of modern soul? Do me a favour. Keep it separate from the proper music.

Wasn't Hotsy Totsy - Leon Bryant one of, if not the last records played at soulful Wigan??!!

If you listen to the Wigan tapes from 79, 80, 81 there are masses of modern things being played, sometimes off 12" ers that last 20 minutes, bloody horrible things like Omni and Rosey Jones and Larry f*cking Houston, the 70's gems like Will Power are few and far between and I just stopped going so I didn't have to hear this sort of crap.  And I still won't go anywhere that plays it, that is not what Northern Soul is about to me.  Meanwhile, both I, and you if you stopped going, missed Richards fantastic new 60's discoveries around that time, and there are loads of them...but they still mixed them in with the 70's and I do not believe that it works.

Wonderful world of modern soul? Do me a favour. Keep it separate from the proper music.

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Things lihe 'Janice' ' Mighty Body Hotsy Totsy' 'Omni' 'Get Well Soon' 'Summertime' 'Brainstorm' 'Something Special on Dana NOT Rideout) 'Lucky Davis' etc etc etc etc

etc sounded good at the time because they were played after the crappy pop record fashion that the scene had just gone through. And I played them all. But listen to them now and they can't hold a candle to Richards sixties biggies, Bobby Adams. Earnestine Eady ,Johnny Honeycutt, Mr Soul etc, or Pats Junior McCants to name a few. IMO they haven't passed the test of time because they are not good records. I don't agree that Larry Houston should be classed with the records Pete mentioned but I agree with the rest of the post.

And yes, there are poor 60's records and I know I'll probably be slaughtered for this but IMO for every great record played at Stafford, there was a shite one as well, but with the diversity of sounds played today, why is 'Janice' so popular ?

And don't get me started on that Gayle Adams bag of shit that some idle DJ dropped into his spot without having to think to hard

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Wasn't Hotsy Totsy - Leon Bryant one of, if not the last records played at soulful Wigan??!!

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god, i remember that record - bloody shite funk tune (i like funk btw)

it was worse than that though, do you remember when the dells' your song or george benson's on broadway used to fill the floor

what about top class soul tunes like: bobby thurston very last drop or lamont dozier you oughtta be in pictures though? about the same time i remember?

why can't we all just live together? (except the fekkin b*stards that only want to hear oldies they know )

god, i remember that record - bloody shite funk tune (i like funk btw)

what about top class soul tunes like: bobby thurston very last drop or lamont dozier you oughtta be in pictures though?  about the same time i remember?

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Thats the point I was trying to make, not that 70's in general are sub standard, just the disco items that were played.

Look at the two you mentioned, add Willie Darrington, Peabo Bryson, Timeless Legend, Rideout etc. All great records.

The same criteria can be applied to 60's records such as ' I Get Carried Away'

'Turd Window From The Right' 'Mr Tears' 'Patti Page ?????'

Always been that way, always will be. Easy way out for some so called top dj's

god, i remember that record - bloody shite funk tune (i like funk btw)

it was worse than that though, do you remember when the dells' your song or george benson's on broadway used to fill the floor

what about top class soul tunes like: bobby thurston very last drop or lamont dozier you oughtta be in pictures though? about the same time i remember?

why can't we all just live together? (except the fekkin b*stards that only want to hear oldies they know )

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[/Couldn't agree more. I like all the stuff you listed plus loads of other 70's stuff I heard at local disco's. Plus I like Rock n' roll, R&B (mmm), Northern, Jazz, funk you name it. Not everything of course but what doesn't appeal to me, others love and vice versa. Isn't that how it should be? quote]

Things lihe 'Janice' ' Mighty Body Hotsy Totsy'  'Omni' 'Get Well Soon' 'Summertime' 'Brainstorm' 'Something Special on Dana NOT Rideout) 'Lucky Davis' etc etc etc etc

etc sounded good at the time because they were played after the crappy pop record fashion  that the scene had just gone through. And I played them all. But listen to them now and they can't hold a candle to Richards sixties biggies, Bobby Adams. Earnestine Eady ,Johnny Honeycutt, Mr Soul etc, or Pats Junior McCants to name a few. IMO they haven't passed the test of time because they are not good records. I don't agree that Larry Houston should be classed with the records Pete mentioned but I agree with the rest of the post.

And yes, there are poor 60's records and I know I'll probably be slaughtered for this but IMO for every great record played at Stafford, there was a shite one as well, but with the diversity of sounds played today, why is 'Janice' so popular ?

And don't get me started on that Gayle Adams bag of shit that some idle DJ dropped into his spot without having to think to hard  

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Like you've said Steve re the "moddun" stuff.... or as was then known, before the term "moddun" was ever used, "newies".... an oldies and newies niter/soul nite meant summat totally different back then .... they were what peeps called "progessive" at the time....

I seem to remember the "die hard" gang known as the "Preston Street Dancers", who used to move of the dance floor at Clifton Hall (Rotherham) quicker than a "chicken pal" left your arse after a curry, stay and "do their stuff" to such sounds in the day ....

My thoughts are that these so-called "moddun choons" fit "nowhere" today.... too "new" to be "northern" and too "old" to be "moddun".... hardly ever hear them these days....

But I think we've had this discussion numerous times before somewhere Steve ....

It's all the "politics" that still go on within "our scene".... I prefer to refer to ALL this stuff as "BOLLOTICS".... but then again, this stuff keeps "the scene" ALIVE, a la these.... :Fck_off_by_nulltarget: ....

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Like you've said Steve re the "moddun" stuff.... or as was then known, before the term was "ever used".... they were what peeps called "progessive" at the time....

I seem to remember the "die hard" gang known as the "Preston Street Dancers", who used to move of the dance floor at Clifton Hall (Rotherham) quicker than a "chicken pal" left your arse after a curry, stay and "do their stuff" to such sounds in the day ....

My thoughts are that these so-called "moddun choons" fit "nowhere" today.... too "new" to be "northern" and too "old" to be "moddun".... hardly ever hear them these days....

But I think we've had this discussion numerous times before somewhere Steve ....

It's all the "politics" that still go on within "our scene".... I prefer to refer to ALL this stuff as "BOLLOTICS".... but then again, this stuff keeps "the scene" ALIVE, a la these....       :Fck_off_by_nulltarget: ....

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Well said you piggy t**t

Well said you piggy t**t       

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In anticipation of your reply

Well said you piggy t**t       

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Now, now.... no need for the "reverse" PIGGY thing Steve.... you know in your "heart of hearts" there's only one set of PIGS in Sheffield.... and it ain't us Blue And White's ....

Now.... back to the thread ....

In anticipation of your reply 

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Was gonna leave it after my last reply.... but you've drawn me ....

B f****** B f****** C.... ....

Never mind "Blades Business Crew" :Fck_off_by_nulltarget: ....

It should stand for "Bleeds Bravely in Conflict"....

Now.... like I said....

back to the thread....

(poetic or what) ....

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THE TROUBLE IS SO MANY PEOPLE RELATE MODERN SOUL TO THOSE EARLY TUNES MOST OF WHICH WERE NOT THAT GOOD. I CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE WERE PUT OFF BY THEM FOR THE SAME REASON SO MANY PEOPLE WERE PISSED OFF WITH THE POP SHIT THAT WIGAN WAS RAMMING DOWN OUR THROATS HENCE STAFFORD PULLED IT ROUND WITH THE MID TEMPO AND QUALITY MODERN STUFF.IF YOU LISTEN TO SOME OF TODAYS MODERN PLAYS SUCH AS TOLBERT,WEE,KING MOSES,TRACE OF SMOKE ECT ECT ECT THESE RECORDS ARE AS RARE AND MORE SOULFUL THAN ALOT OF THE SHIT THAT WIGAN FORCED UPON US AND BELIEVE ME I KNOW I WAS THERE FROM 74 TO 81 AND SAW THE DIMISE IN THE MUSIC.RICHARDS ABOUT THE ONLY ONE WHO MANAGED TO MOVE ON WHILE MOST OF THE OTHERS ARE STILL HOLD WIGAN ROADSHOW TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING FROM THE NAME WIGAN CASINO.WONDER IF THEY ARE STILL PLAYING THE THEME FROM JOE 90?

RICHARDS ABOUT THE ONLY ONE WHO MANAGED TO MOVE ON WHILE MOST OF THE OTHERS ARE STILL HOLD WIGAN ROADSHOW TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING FROM THE NAME WIGAN CASINO.WONDER IF THEY ARE STILL PLAYING THE THEME FROM JOE 90?

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If you read my last post.... which didn't "pick" any "choons" individually.... I was saying summat similar....

Richard was a "resident" at Clifton Hall, Rotherham, and he was "progressive" with his plays.... granted.... some stuff played was "iffy", but at least, on the whole, he and the other DJ's there moved "us" on.... Stafford did the same, on the whole, but in a 60's fashion....

As for the "roadshow" crew .... we'll let them "come of age" when they're ready .... "quantum leap" may happen in reality ....

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(I assume here you refer to her cover of Baby I Need Your Lovin)

The ironic thing is, that particular track can be found on Gayle's Love Fever album - when that was a new(ish) release, the track that Richard S (and probably others) opted to play was "Let's Go All The Way" - IMHO far superior, but probably still a bit too funky for today's scene.