The Ellingtons - (I'm not) Destined to become a loser b/w The agony of the ecstasy - Castle #102

Made in vinyl with Blue label with silver text and logo

F/W + LP 367004 scratched in run out

Had this tucked away in a box for years thinking it was a boot from the 70's but cannot seem to find any info on it and have started questioning my sanity?

Anyone got any ideas on it?

Thanks in advance

Steve

Edited February 20, 20205 yr by Steve Plumb
To give readers more info on the thread as the label owner joined in the debate

Pretty sure this is proper Steve, the silver (same design) re-issue (legit) with light blue text and the then the plain one (bootleg) as you said

I am sure Manship sold one for £400 (seems expensive though) £150- £200 on Popsike 

I had never seen a photo of them before until recently (how cool after all these years have passed by)

There was a thread here as well about the Dark Blue

Bobby Aceto, Sonny Aceto, Rob Russen, Nick Criaris and Rudy Wilson.

Edited February 18, 20205 yr by Blackpoolsoul

Thanks so much for the reply Blackpoolsoul and the link to the other thread. I did a search on SS earlier but didn't find that thread.

I always thought it was a reissue but seems like I was wrong?

One of the better mistakes I have made 😉

Thanks again

Steve

4 minutes ago, Steve Plumb said:

Thanks so much for the reply Blackpoolsoul and the link to the other thread. I did a search on SS earlier but didn't find that thread.

I always thought it was a reissue but seems like I was wrong?

One of the better mistakes I have made 😉

Thanks again

Steve

It's age mate and you are older than me 😀

1 hour ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

It's age mate and you are older than me 😀

LOL

Deffo original Steve silver ones were done by the owner of Castle records if memory serves me right.  Kev Roberts best man to ask 

 

Regards Steve 

26 minutes ago, Speedlimit said:

Deffo original Steve silver ones were done by the owner of Castle records if memory serves me right.  Kev Roberts best man to ask 

 

Regards Steve 

Did you not read the old thread I added ?

Oops at work not concetrating lol 

 

was that the first £100 record?  

    i have vague memories of it being a big topic of conversation ,    77 ish 

57 minutes ago, Ian Parker said:

was that the first £100 record?  

    i have vague memories of it being a big topic of conversation ,    77 ish 

Thought James Fountain. Seven day lover

Peachtree.  Was the first. 

you could be right....   deffo👍

 

Ive got an original Millionaires on Same Castle label and would love an Ellingtons to go with it.Got a few trades to go so give me a PM if you fancy a swap deal please

have got both the millionaires & the ellingtons 45s...…..the millionaires as a frankford wayne stamp but the ellingtons doesn't, but believe that all or most of the ellingtons vinyl are pitted and have bubbles in vinyl. the posters copy is defo real

Edited February 20, 20205 yr by Russoul1

53 minutes ago, Russoul1 said:

have got both the millionaires & the ellingtons 45s...…..the millionaires as a Nashville stamp but the ellingtons doesn't, but believe that all or most of the ellingtons vinyl are pitted and have bubbles in vinyl. the posters copy is defo real

My Ellingtons definitely was pitted and had bubbles in the vinyl as above.  

The 'official' bootleg 😉... everything about it is 'just wrong' 

 

Thanks for all the replies folks

I think many moons ago i must have mixed up the Millionaires with the Ellingtons and i presumed it was a boot/reissue cos there was no stamp, which of course I now realise it never had a stamp in the first place LOL

Like I said earlier, one of my better mistakes

Thanks again everyone

Cheers

Steve

On 18/02/2020 at 22:34, Steve Plumb said:

Thanks for all the replies folks

I think many moons ago i must have mixed up the Millionaires with the Ellingtons and i presumed it was a boot/reissue cos there was no stamp, which of course I now realise it never had a stamp in the first place LOL

Like I said earlier, one of my better mistakes

Thanks again everyone

Cheers

Steve

Steve it's not quite the end (hope you don't mind)

As the Millionaires (different groups) came up here and in a previous thread 12 years ago, I thought I would do some research

I contacted Rob Russen and he has Kindly supplied this information and I believe he is joining Soul Source and hopefully will join in 😀

Edited February 20, 20205 yr by Blackpoolsoul

On 18/02/2020 at 07:37, Steve Plumb said:

The Ellingtons - (I'm not) Destined to become a loser b/w The agony of the ecstasy - Castle #102

Made in vinyl with Blue label with silver text and logo

F/W + LP 367004 scratched in run out

Had this tucked away in a box for years thinking it was a boot from the 70's but cannot seem to find any info on it and have started questioning my sanity?

Anyone got any ideas on it?

Thanks in advance

Steve

This is definitely an original issue copy of my band's record.  I know well as I wrote it, produced it, performed in the band and own the label.  Rob Russen

On 19/02/2020 at 04:02, Russoul1 said:

have got both the millionaires & the ellingtons 45s...…..the millionaires as a Nashville stamp but the ellingtons doesn't, but believe that all or most of the ellingtons vinyl are pitted and have bubbles in vinyl. the posters copy is defo real

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "The Millionaires as a Nashville stamp..."  The records were produced in Camden, NJ and pressed in Philadelphia.  Nashville had nothing to do with either of my Ellingtons and Millionaires releases.  Rob Russen

On 19/02/2020 at 05:22, Soulstrutter said:

The 'official' bootleg 😉... everything about it is 'just wrong' 

 

As founding member of the Ellingtons band, writer and producer of our songs I assure you this is a bootleg.  I have no idea who T.N.J.s are or how they can claim to be producers of my song as they do not have a license from me to do so.  Please do not buy bootlegs of my music.  Rob Russen

42 minutes ago, Rob Russen said:

As founding member of the Ellingtons band, writer and producer of our songs I assure you this is a bootleg.  I have no idea who T.N.J.s are or how they can claim to be producers of my song as they do not have a license from me to do so.  Please do not buy bootlegs of my music.  Rob Russen

Welcome Rob and thanks for joining Soul Source, it's a pleasure to talk and sort these issues from the man who knows 😀

Edited February 20, 20205 yr by Blackpoolsoul

1 hour ago, Rob Russen said:

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "The Millionaires as a Nashville stamp..."  The records were produced in Camden, NJ and pressed in Philadelphia.  Nashville had nothing to do with either of my Ellingtons and Millionaires releases.  Rob Russen

Hello Rob, thank you for taking the time to comment. It's great when the original artists are able to be involved all these years later. I have both of the original 45's and have always enjoyed them!! I think the previous comment referred to a  "Mastered By Frankford Wayne" machine stamp in the deadwax rather than the Nashville stamp. The Ellingtons 45 has "F/W" scratched in the deadwax which I assume also refers to Frankford Wayne.

All the best

Kev Bod.

Edited February 20, 20205 yr by Bo Diddley

6 minutes ago, Bo Diddley said:

Hello Rob, thank you for taking the time to comment. It's great when the original artists are able to be involved all these years later. I have both of the original 45's and have always enjoyed them!! I think the previous comment referred to a  "Mastered By Frankford Wayne" machine stamp in the deadwax rather than the Nashville stamp. The Ellingtons 45 has "F/W" scratched in the deadwax which I assume also refers to Frankford Wayne.

All the best

Kev Bod.

Not sure as I thought Frankford Wayne were New York, Robb will know

7 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Not sure as I thought Frankford Wayne were New York, Robb will know

I'm sure as I'm looking at the records!!😀👍

5 minutes ago, Bo Diddley said:

I'm sure as I'm looking at the records!!😀👍

Could be as Philadelphia Records used them

43 minutes ago, Bo Diddley said:

I'm sure as I'm looking at the records!!😀👍

Confirmed your comment all the label was pressed at Frankford Wayne 🤩

10 hours ago, Rob Russen said:

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "The Millionaires as a Nashville stamp..."  The records were produced in Camden, NJ and pressed in Philadelphia.  Nashville had nothing to do with either of my Ellingtons and Millionaires releases.  Rob Russen

sorry rob, off course your right it as a frankford wayne stamp ooops, should look before I write next time! just a quick question as said my copy as pressing bubbles in the vinyl....are they all like this or just a batch? great record btw a real part of my youth

11 hours ago, Rob Russen said:

As founding member of the Ellingtons band, writer and producer of our songs I assure you this is a bootleg.  I have no idea who T.N.J.s are or how they can claim to be producers of my song as they do not have a license from me to do so.  Please do not buy bootlegs of my music.  Rob Russen

Hi Rob

Thanks for commenting on this.  As I stated originally everything about it is wrong so no one should have been under any illusion that it was legit (wrong color, no logo, no writer credits, inaccurate producers as you state (that aren't even on the original pressing), even the title is incorrect! and the B side is the same track. This was pressed up late 70s (78/79 I would guess) as your record was 'in demand' as played heavily at Wigan Casino at the time.  No idea who pressed it and also no idea of how many are still floating around.  Not even listed on Discogs (who would probably ban it from sale in an case).  It is listed on 45Cat here: https://www.45cat.com/record/102us19

12 hours ago, Rob Russen said:

This is definitely an original issue copy of my band's record.  I know well as I wrote it, produced it, performed in the band and own the label.  Rob Russen

Hi Rob

Many thanks for the reply much appreciated

As the owner, writer, producer, band member, singer, guitarist etc I think we can take this as being direct from the horses mouth 🙂

Don't you just love Soul Source when things like this can happen

All the very best

Steve

21 minutes ago, Soulstrutter said:

Hi Rob

Thanks for commenting on this.  As I stated originally everything about it is wrong so no one should have been under any illusion that it was legit (wrong color, no logo, no writer credits, inaccurate producers as you state (that aren't even on the original pressing), even the title is incorrect! and the B side is the same track. This was pressed up late 70s (78/79 I would guess) as your record was 'in demand' as played heavily at Wigan Casino at the time.  No idea who pressed it and also no idea of how many are still floating around.  Not even listed on Discogs (who would probably ban it from sale in an case).  It is listed on 45Cat here: https://www.45cat.com/record/102us19

https://www.discogs.com/The-Ellingtons-Destined-To-Be-A-Loser/release/4585330

11 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Welcome Rob and thanks for joining Soul Source, it's a pleasure to talk and sort these issues from the man who knows 😀

Thanks for all the superb info too 🙂

1 minute ago, Steve Plumb said:

Thanks for all the superb info too 🙂

Steve if it wasn't for you starting the thread and Rob and I swapping Doggie photos (our chihuahuas) all this info would have not come to light.

42 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

https://www.discogs.com/The-Ellingtons-Destined-To-Be-A-Loser/release/4585330

Thanks .... That's weird as it's not listed under Ellingtons releases ... you have to click 'Unofficial' to see it! ... but as suspected it is blocked from sale (JM's got it on his site for £15).

P.S.  The last 'original' to sell that I can find on on Popsike was April 2018 and went for £218:

https://www.popsike.com/Northern-Soul-45-The-Ellingtons-Castle-Lbl-Camden-NJ/372277360319.html

... also found this while searching (not listed anywhere) says it's doo wop so probably a different group?

https://www.popsike.com/Ellingtons-45-rpm-GClef-My-Story-Hurry-Home/392622701596.html

Edited February 20, 20205 yr by Soulstrutter

Just to add, Rob, It did get an official UK release too, as I'm sure you are aware...