Excluding reissues and things like Headline News that weren't really Motown records, what do you reckon the topten TMG B sides are-ones that really should have been on the other side? Pretty tough but mine are:

1 TMG564B Contours-Just A Little Misunderstanding

2 TMG652B Isleys-Why When Love Is Gone

3 TMG646B Edwin Starr-My Weakness Is You

4 TMG789B Undisputed Truth-You Got The Love I Need

5 TMG698B Four Tops-Don't Bring Back Memories

6 TMG864B Gladys Knight-No One Could Love You More

7 TMG535B Marvelettes-Your Cheating Ways

8 TMG725B Edwin Starr-Running Back And Forth

9 TMG636B Martha Reeves-Show Me The Way To Your Heart

10 TMG692B Edwin Starr-If My Heart Could Tell The Story

I think Edwin was a bit harshly done by really. I know War charted but He Who Picks A Rose is better and that's on the B side!

Edited February 9, 200718 yr by ScallyBob

Excluding reissues and things like Headline News that weren't really Motown records, what do you reckon the topten TMG B sides are-ones that really should have been on the other side? Pretty tough but mine are:

1 TMG564B Contours-Just A Little Misunderstanding

2 TMG652B Isleys-Why When Love Is Gone

3 TMG646B Edwin Starr-My Weakness Is You

4 TMG789B Undisputed Truth-You Got The Love I Need

5 TMG698B Four Tops-Don't Bring Back Memories

6 TMG864B Gladys Knight-No One Could Love You More

7 TMG535B Marvelettes-Your Cheating Ways

8 TMG725B Edwin Starr-Running Back And Forth

9 TMG636B Martha Reeves-Show Me The Way To Your Heart

10 TMG692B Edwin Starr-If My Heart Could Tell The Story

I think Edwin was a bit harshly done by really. I know War charted but He Who Picks A Rose is better and that's on the B side!

Hi Bob one for you mate,

TMG 662B Diana Ross & the Supremes-"You've been so wonderful to me" from 68 i Know "some things you never get used to" is a brill dancer but this B side is just "SOUL"

Steve J

Excluding reissues and things like Headline News that weren't really Motown records, what do you reckon the topten TMG B sides are-ones that really should have been on the other side? Pretty tough but mine are:

1 TMG564B Contours-Just A Little Misunderstanding

2 TMG652B Isleys-Why When Love Is Gone

3 TMG646B Edwin Starr-My Weakness Is You

4 TMG789B Undisputed Truth-You Got The Love I Need

5 TMG698B Four Tops-Don't Bring Back Memories

6 TMG864B Gladys Knight-No One Could Love You More

7 TMG535B Marvelettes-Your Cheating Ways

8 TMG725B Edwin Starr-Running Back And Forth

9 TMG636B Martha Reeves-Show Me The Way To Your Heart

10 TMG692B Edwin Starr-If My Heart Could Tell The Story

I think Edwin was a bit harshly done by really. I know War charted but He Who Picks A Rose is better and that's on the B side!

Excellent post/thread.

Excluding reissues and things like Headline News that weren't really Motown records, what do you reckon the topten TMG B sides are-ones that really should have been on the other side? Pretty tough but mine are:

1 TMG564B Contours-Just A Little Misunderstanding

2 TMG652B Isleys-Why When Love Is Gone

3 TMG646B Edwin Starr-My Weakness Is You

4 TMG789B Undisputed Truth-You Got The Love I Need

5 TMG698B Four Tops-Don't Bring Back Memories

6 TMG864B Gladys Knight-No One Could Love You More

7 TMG535B Marvelettes-Your Cheating Ways

8 TMG725B Edwin Starr-Running Back And Forth

9 TMG636B Martha Reeves-Show Me The Way To Your Heart

10 TMG692B Edwin Starr-If My Heart Could Tell The Story

I think Edwin was a bit harshly done by really. I know War charted but He Who Picks A Rose is better and that's on the B side!

some brilliant sides there, but how bout stuff on B sides that didnt see a US 45 release, on british?

stuff like...

Marvin Gaye - Need Somebody (Heard it thru the Grapevine)

Four Tops - Cant Seem To Get You Out Of My Mind ( Do Wot Ya Gotta Do)

Diana Ross - Baby Its Love ( Touch Me Int Mornin)

Earl Van Dyke - All For You (6 X 6)

steve

Always thought they got off to a great start:

TMG501B The Supremes - I'm In Love Again.

Just a personal favourite.

Four Tops-Can't Seem To Get You Out Of My Mind is probably number 11 on the list! Unbelievable that such a classy side was just hidden away.

If you move away from Northern-style tunes TMG602B Stevie Wonder-Hey Love and TMG707B The Temptations-Why Did She Have To Leave are brilliant.

Edited February 9, 200718 yr by ScallyBob

Four Tops-Can't Seem To Get You Out Of My Mind is probably number 11 on the list! Unbelievable that such a classy side was just hidden away.

Can anyone send me an mp3 of that?

I've got an idea for a new thread...

Four Tops-Can't Seem To Get You Out Of My Mind is probably number 11 on the list! Unbelievable that such a classy side was just hidden away.

If you move away from Northern-style tunes TMG602B Stevie Wonder-Hey Love and TMG707B The Temptations-Why Did She Have To Leave are brilliant.

Bob move back to the Northern-style TMG 616B "going down for the third time" D R & the Supremes, then move away toTMG 771B "stay in my lonely arms" the Elgins now that was played down the Cross Keys a few times!

Steve J

ps (can't remember the name of the Girl that wanted the Elgins played every time she was in the celler )

502 Martha & Vandellas - Motoring

507 Four Tops - Where did you go

552 Marvin Gaye - When I had your love

560 Supremes - He's all I got

589 Four Tops - Since you've been gone

602 Stevie Wonder - Hey love

649 Jimmy Ruffin - Everybody needs love

692 Edwin Starr - If my heart could tell the story

710 Four Tops - Can't seem to get you out of my mind

790 Edwin Starr - Back street

Can't seem to get you out of my mind - four tops - tamla motown

14540 refosoul

All right Steve! Didn't know it was you until you mentioned the Keys!

All right Steve! Didn't know it was you until you mentioned the Keys!

Hi mate you ok?

I'm back home in Aspull on the weekend 24th you can buy me a pint or three on the Saturday night and you can drop TMG 713A on the turntable .

Steve J

No problem mate-is a Gordy demo OK?

No problem mate-is a Gordy demo OK?

How i miss you!

I bet that looks nice,

That's three pint's on the bar for me then, or do you mean no problem for Marv,

Steve J

Hi Bob one for you mate,

TMG 662B Diana Ross & the Supremes-"You've been so wonderful to me" from 68 i Know "some things you never get used to" is a brill dancer but this B side is just "SOUL"

Steve J

Oh yes! I've gone wild over this in recent years - despite having it since I was 15/16 (a long, LONG time ago!)

It slipped my memory for years but has now become my favourite Supremes song of all!

Another one I picked up on was Marvin Gaye's "When I Had A Love" and Jimmy Ruffin's great version of "Everybody Needs Love", both songs that I'd had lying around for donkey's years in my Tamla Motown box... Highly recommended sides.

Four Tops-Can't Seem To Get You Out Of My Mind is probably number 11 on the list! Unbelievable that such a classy side was just hidden away..

I once read that Ian Levine quoted this as THE side that awoke him to the potential of the "Crossover" concept, ie. late sixties sides that have characteristics of forthcoming Seventies production values. Way ahead of it's time, and still sounding great today. It really should have been played out, somewhere, sometime.

Excluding reissues and things like Headline News that weren't really Motown records, what do you reckon the topten TMG B sides are-ones that really should have been on the other side? Pretty tough but mine are:

1 TMG564B Contours-Just A Little Misunderstanding

2 TMG652B Isleys-Why When Love Is Gone

3 TMG646B Edwin Starr-My Weakness Is You

4 TMG789B Undisputed Truth-You Got The Love I Need

5 TMG698B Four Tops-Don't Bring Back Memories

6 TMG864B Gladys Knight-No One Could Love You More

7 TMG535B Marvelettes-Your Cheating Ways

8 TMG725B Edwin Starr-Running Back And Forth

9 TMG636B Martha Reeves-Show Me The Way To Your Heart

10 TMG692B Edwin Starr-If My Heart Could Tell The Story

I think Edwin was a bit harshly done by really. I know War charted but He Who Picks A Rose is better and that's on the B side!

This post has give me a bad head!

TMG640B "change what you can" Marvin Gaye

TMG541B "Don't look back" Temps

TMG621B "one way out" Martha

TMG608B "starting the hurt" Brenda

TMG663B "i want a love i can see" Temps

TMG612B "i'll turn to stone" Four Tops

TMG520B "tune up" Junior Walker

and i can't remember the No but "destination anyehere" Marvelettes,

"i'm thinking all are right but piont out any that are not B sides"

Steve J

Great thread, just remembered how good some or should i say all these tunes are. of to put a motown CD on

I once read that Ian Levine quoted this as THE side that awoke him to the potential of the "Crossover" concept, ie. late sixties sides that have characteristics of forthcoming Seventies production values. Way ahead of it's time, and still sounding great today. It really should have been played out, somewhere, sometime.

It's just so "Ashford & Simpson" at Motown, they really were ahead of their game to me.

steve

some brilliant sides there, but how bout stuff on B sides that didnt see a US 45 release, on british?

stuff like...

Marvin Gaye - Need Somebody (Heard it thru the Grapevine)

Four Tops - Cant Seem To Get You Out Of My Mind ( Do Wot Ya Gotta Do)

Diana Ross - Baby Its Love ( Touch Me Int Mornin)

Earl Van Dyke - All For You (6 X 6)

steve

Ooo... and another....

Jimmy Ruffin - I Will Never Let You Get away (re-issue of Farewell Is A Lonely Sound) TMG922

mind the flip of FIALS first time round... "If You Let Me I Know I Can" takes some beatin too! imho

steve

Featured a few of these in 'manifesto' over the last couple of years..three particular favourites already mentioned are Narvins 'Need Somebody' and Jimmy's 'I Will Never Let You Get Away' and The Four Top's of course...brilliant stuff.

Featured a few of these in 'manifesto' over the last couple of years..three particular favourites already mentioned are Narvins 'Need Somebody' and Jimmy's 'I Will Never Let You Get Away' and The Four Top's of course...brilliant stuff.

All available on a very fabulous CD series called Soul Satisfaction Vols 2-5 The theme of the CDs is forgotten B sides and album tracks in chronological order... Soul Satisfaction 6 is coming along nicely...if I told you what was on it, I'd have to kill you all... All will be revealed in due course Jo

Good grief woman, why aren't you asleep in bed? You'll fall asleep on the platform. How girlie !

Some others I hadn't thought about there.

Hmmm...a spot of nothing but Motown B sides and album-only tracks? Shorty Long-Baby Come On Home to Me, Marvelettes-Your Love Can Save Me, Monitors-Share A Little Love, Marvin Gaye-Only A Lonely Man Would Know...where to start?

tmg 677 SUPREMES - Will This Be The Day (crossover magic!)

tmg 683 CONTOURS - It's Out Of The Question (no USA 45!)

tmg 680 Marv Johnson - You Got The Love I Love (stonkin' Northern)

From the moment I started collecting in 1968 I've always played both sides of a record but overlooked some stuff at the time, probably because it wasn't fast enough. The added bonus is of course your taste does change a bit - Stevie Wonder - "I'd be a fool right now" is a prime example.

Great thread

I agree with all the above and here's some more

TMG555 Isley Brothers - There's no love left - also a good version by the Four Tops

TMG557 Temptations - Fading Away

TMG 571 Jnr Walker - Nothing but soul

TMG894 - Jnr Walker - I ain't going nowhere

TMG 578 Temptations You're not an ordinary girl

TMG608 Brenda Holloway - Starting the hurt all over again

TMG 626 - Stevie Wonder - Every time I see you I go wild

TMG717 - Stevie Wonder - I'd be a fool right now

TMG725 - Edwin Starr - Running Back & Forth

TMG875 - Edwin Starr - Love the lonely peoples prayer

TMG729 - Chuck Jackson - What am I gonna do without your love

TMG584 - Miracles - Save me

TMG1093 - David Ruffin - Rode by the place we used to stay

TMG 659 The Marvelettes: Here I Am Baby / Keep Off, No Trespassing

Edited February 10, 200718 yr by 45cellar

Barbara Randolph......You,ve got me hurtin all over. from the first time i heard this i thought it was the tops, searched all over at the time to get other records by her only to fail.

rob h.

Some others I hadn't thought about there.

Hmmm...a spot of nothing but Motown B sides and album-only tracks? Shorty Long-Baby Come On Home to Me, Marvelettes-Your Love Can Save Me, Monitors-Share A Little Love, Marvin Gaye-Only A Lonely Man Would Know...where to start?

Two album-only tracks that should have been on 45,

Temps "save my love for a rainy day" TML11057 67

Marvin & Tammi "memory chest" TML11084 68

I still think the Temps is the best version of "save my love" probable the first version i had the pleasure of listening to,

Steve J

I once read that Ian Levine quoted this as THE side that awoke him to the potential of the "Crossover" concept, ie. late sixties sides that have characteristics of forthcoming Seventies production values. Way ahead of it's time, and still sounding great today. It really should have been played out, somewhere, sometime.

Also this song was writen by Winnona Singleton aka Gordy,the song was recorded by a shrine artist and later Disco Covers by some groups,wonder why Eddie Singleton never pushed and promoted this type of sound,love this song and the lyrics,it must have driven Berry Gordy mad to give an exwife royalties for the Four Topscut.

Agree with most of the above.

Here's a few UK TMG's from my box, where the Flipsides are, at very least, as good as the Topsides!

RARELY ACKNOWLEDGED 'TOP TIPS' MARKED IN BOLD

TMG526

TEMPTATIONS

A: SINCE I LOST MY BABY

B: YOU'VE GOT TO EARN IT

TMG553

FOUR TOPS

A: SHAKE ME, WAKE ME (WHEN IT'S OVER)

B: JUST AS LONG AS YOU NEED ME

TMG560

SUPREMES

A: LOVE IS LIKE AN ITCHING IN MY HEART

B: HE'S ALL I GOT

TMG570

STEVIE WONDER

A: BLOWIN' IN THE WIND

B: AIN'T THAT ASKING FOR TROUBLE

TMG578

TEMPTATIONS

A: BEAUTY IS ONLY SKIN DEEP

B: YOU'RE NOT AN ORDINARY GIRL

TMG581

BRENDA HOLLOWAY

A: HURT A LITTLE EVERYDAY

B: WHERE WERE YOU

TMG612

FOUR TOPS

A: SEVEN ROOMS OF GLOOM

B: I'LL TURN TO STONE

TMG617

JIMMY RUFFIN

A: DON'T YOU MISS ME A LITTLE BIT BABY

B: I WANT HER LOVE

TMG619

GLADYS KNIGHT

A: EVERYBODY NEEDS LOVE

B: SINCE I'VE LOST YOU

TMG621

MARTHA & VANDELLAS

A: LOVE BUG LEAVE MY HEART ALONE

B: ONE WAY OUT

TMG622

BRENDA HOLLOWAY

A: YOU'VE MADE ME SO VERY HAPPY

B: I'VE GOT TO FIND IT

TMG626

STEVIE WONDER

A: I'M WONDERIN'

B: EVERY TIME I SEE YOU I GO WILD

TMG627

DETROIT SPINNERS

A: FOR ALL WE KNOW

B: I'LL ALWAYS LOVE YOU

TMG628

BARBARA RANDOLPH

A: I GOT A FEELING

B: YOU GOT ME HURTIN' ALL OVER

TMG633

TEMPTATIONS

A: (LONELINESS MADE ME REALIZE) IT'S YOU THAT I NEED

B: I WANT A LOVE I CAN SEE

TMG636

MARTHA & VANDELLAS

A: HONEY CHILE

B: SHOW ME THE WAY

TMG640

MARVIN GAYE

A: YOU

B: CHANGE WHAT YOU CAN

TMG646

EDWIN STARR

A: I AM THE MAN FOR YOU BABY

B: MY WEAKNESS IS YOU

TMG649

JIMMY RUFFIN

A: I'LL SAY FOREVER MY LOVE

B: EVERYBODY NEEDS LOVE

TMG652

ISLEY BROTHERS

A: TAKE ME IN YOUR ARMS (ROCK ME A LITTLE WHILE)

B: WHY WHEN LOVE IS GONE

TMG662

SUPREMES

A: SOME THINGS YOU NEVER GET USED TO

B: YOU'VE BEEN SO WONDERFUL TO ME

TMG675

FOUR TOPS

A: I'M IN A DIFFERENT WORLD

B: REMEMBER WHEN

TMG676

MARVIN GAYE

A: CHAINED

B: AT LAST I FOUND A LOVE

TMG683

ISLEY BROTHERS

A: I GUESS I'LL ALWAYS LOVE YOU

B: IT'S OUT OF THE QUESTION

TMG702

ORIGINALS

A: GREEN GROW THE LILACS

B: YOU'RE THE ONE

TMG705

MARVIN GAYE

A: TOO BUSY THINKING ABOUT MY BABY

B: WHEREVER I LAY MY HAT

TMG707

TEMPTATIONS

A: CLOUD NINE

B: WHY DID SHE HAVE TO LEAVE ME (WHY DID SHE HAVE TO GO)

TMG722

TEMPTATIONS

A: I CAN'T GET NEXT TO YOU

B: RUNNING AWAY (AIN'T GONNA HELP YOU)

TMG728

GLADYS KNIGHT

A: DIDN'T YOU KNOW (YOU'D HAVE TO CRY SOMETIME)

B: KEEP AN EYE

TMG729

CHUCK JACKSON

A: HONEY COME BACK

B: WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITHOUT YOU

TMG755

DETROIT SPINNERS

A: IT'S A SHAME

B: SWEET THING

TMG762

MARTHA REEVES & VANDELLAS

A: FORGET ME NOT

B: I GOTTA LET YOU GO

TMG766

DETROIT SPINNERS

A: TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE SUCH SWEET MUSIC

B: TRULY YOURS

TMG767

JIMMY RUFFIN

A: LET'S SAY GOODBYE TOMORROW

B: LIVING IN A WORLD I CREATED FOR MYSELF

TMG789

UNDISPUTED TRUTH

A: SMILING FACES SOMETIMES

B: YOU GOT THE LOVE I NEED

TMG862

WILLIE HUTCH

A: BROTHERS GONNA WORK IT OUT

B: I CHOOSE YOU

TMG864

GLADYS KNIGHT

A: TAKE ME N YOUR ARMS AND LOVE ME

B: NO ONE COULD LOVE YOU MORE

TMG901

EDDIE KENDRICKS

A: SON OF SAGITTARIUS

B: CAN'T HELP WHAT I AM

TMG954

SYREETA

A: HARMOUR LOVE

B: WHAT LOVE HAS JOINED TOGETHER

TMG1021

EDDIE KENDRICKS

A: HE'S A FRIEND

B: ALL OF MY LOVE

TMG1082

JERRY BUTLER

A: CHALK IT UP

B: I DON'T WANT NOBODY TO KNOW

TMG1257

BETTY LAVETTE

A: YOU SEEN ONE, YOU SEEN 'EM ALL

B: RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE (OF FALLING IN LOVE)

Such an awesome output stateside, I guess its inevitable that many B sides issued over here would be equally as good as the A sides.

The ones in Bold type I've been plugging for years.

Since most are rarely mentioned I'd well recommend them here.

Good thread

Sean Hampsey

Sean,

Any chance of a soundclip on Jerry Butler, don't know that one

Kev

Love Feels Like Fire - four tops - tmg 829

14565 refosoul Refosoul Rare and Northern Soul Clip library

Four Tops - I'll Turn To Stone / Love Feels Like Fire - TMG 829.

soulmac.

Edited February 10, 200718 yr by soulmac

I once read that Ian Levine quoted this as THE side that awoke him to the potential of the "Crossover" concept, ie. late sixties sides that have characteristics of forthcoming Seventies production values. Way ahead of it's time, and still sounding great today. It really should have been played out, somewhere, sometime.

Also this song was writen by Winnona Singleton aka Gordy,the song was recorded by a shrine artist and later Disco Covers by some groups,wonder why Eddie Singleton never pushed and promoted this type of sound,love this song and the lyrics,it must have driven Berry Gordy mad to give an exwife royalties for the Four Topscut.

I think Ian was refering to the Four Tops "don't bring back the memories"....written by Raynoma Singleton (Gordy)....which of course is a fantastic B side

Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell = Two Can Have a Party

Jnr Walker and the All stars - I ain't Going Nowhere

Diana Ross and the supremes - Everything Is Good About You

Stevie Wonder - Everytime I See You I Go Wild

Stevie Wonder - Music Talk

Isley Brothers - Little Miss Sweetness

Martha And The Vandellas - Never Leave Your Baby's Side

Martha............................ - One Way Out

Martha............................ - Show Me The Way

B sides

Isleys --Its out of the Question

Edwin Starr---Love The Lonely Peoples Prayer.

Album Tracks --thousands!

but 3 from the Supremes worthy of note

Money

Misery makes my Heart Its Home

and

Shake Me , Wake Me

oh and another

Let the music play

Tony

I think Ian was refering to the Four Tops "don't bring back the memories"....written by Raynoma Singleton (Gordy)....which of course is a fantastic B side

Your Correct Sir,it must be me age,a bit of dementure creeping in....Raynoma Singleton ...Winnona...I'll get me coat

Edwin Starr's Mighty Good Lovin', flip of 25 Miles on TMG672

Is I Have Faith In You flip of Stop Her On Sight on Polydor BM56702 cheating?

Edited February 18, 200718 yr by richard

Edwin Starr's Mighty Good Lovin', flip of 25 Miles on TMG672

Is I Have Faith In You flip of Stop Her On Sight on Polydor BM56702 cheating?

Seeing as it was a Ric-Tic recording before Berry Gordy bought Golden World and it wasn't a UK TMG issue, I'd say so.

Seeing as it was a Ric-Tic recording before Berry Gordy bought Golden World and it wasn't a UK TMG issue, I'd say so.

Booo

I apologize in advance if any error in my post as I am not all familiar with the UK sides...I know some of the sides are vastly different from ours here in the States:

LONELY LOVER-The Four Tops

ALL OF MY LOVE-Eddie Kendricks (forgot who posted this earlier...nice track!)

TAKE A CHANCE ON ME-Eddie Holland

SOMEDAY SOMEWAY-The Marvelettes

HAPPY LANDING and WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY-The Miracles

ASK ANY GIRL-The Supremes

SAD TOMORROWS-Marvin Gaye

ENVIOUS-? (name escapes me)

CAN'T IT WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW-Diana Ross