Go on then, how much we looking at? (I'm selling, not buying)

Just listening to this actual record, something struck me straight away - it sounds nothing like it should do - the strings are way back in the mix. I mean, to the point it made me stop and listen as to what was different about it. I don't think this was the case with the Eddie Foster bootleg or any subsequent cd reissues. Very strange.

No way Pete...you got a copy?

Wow im impressed

No way Pete...you got a copy?

Wow im impressed

Don't be, it's not rare! Might make £75 though if the right ebay customer comes along.

Don't be, it's not rare! Might make £75 though if the right ebay customer comes along.

Haha Sorry Pete...didnt see the Tamla Motown Demo bit...thought you had one of the few there!!

Still never heard of this particular copy...interesting...and great if you still want an originalish copy to play

Go on then, how much we looking at? (I'm selling, not buying)

Pat Bradys got one for £150 just now

Pat Bradys got one for £150 just now

Jeez! Is it me, or is them who's constantly getting it wrong?

Hi Pete

I would have thought 50 to 80 quid

Martin

Them.

If it's got the sleeve, then maybe £125.

i,ve got one and agree with what you say about the strings.Bloody ell its about 15 yrs since i,ve played this,didnt notice it then.

Would like to see you make the ton on it.

i,ve got one and agree with what you say about the strings.Bloody ell its about 15 yrs since i,ve played this,didnt notice it then.

Would like to see you make the ton on it.

Sold mine two years ago for a ton, without the sleeve

Just listening to this actual record, something struck me straight away - it sounds nothing like it should do - the strings are way back in the mix. I mean, to the point it made me stop and listen as to what was different about it. I don't think this was the case with the Eddie Foster bootleg or any subsequent cd reissues. Very strange.

wonder if the tampered with it to give it a more contemprary feel.

Turn the treble up Pete.

Turn the treble up Pete.

Kev I come from the old school of kids who only ever had a Dansette, with the two knobs on the front, so the bass and the treble are always turned fully to the right to "10"

Just listening to this actual record, something struck me straight away - it sounds nothing like it should do - the strings are way back in the mix. I mean, to the point it made me stop and listen as to what was different about it. I don't think this was the case with the Eddie Foster bootleg or any subsequent cd reissues. Very strange.

I don't think the tape that came across for the UK press was a copy of the original multi-track tape. I know it was in stereo, but maybe just the two channels and so when that got mixed for the UK mono release the strings got a bit buried?

im sure f.wilson was re-issued a year or so ago in the uk on legit copys with c.clarks version on the other side i havent got one to compare it with the original tmg-1170 uk issue so do these copys sound the same???,

im sure f.wilson was re-issued a year or so ago in the uk on legit copys with c.clarks version on the other side i havent got one to compare it with the original tmg-1170 uk issue so do these copys sound the same???,

Sorry I haven't got one either but if anyone wants to hear this version with the strings way back, I'll be happy to record it

Sorry I haven't got one either but if anyone wants to hear this version with the strings way back, I'll be happy to record it

Graham says he'd appreciate a listen...

Graham says he'd appreciate a listen...

Sorry, looks like it'll be tomorrow now. My turn to put Sam to bed. Which Thomas story will it be tonight I wonder

Sorry, looks like it'll be tomorrow now. My turn to put Sam to bed. Which Thomas story will it be tonight I wonder

Is it the original ringo starr recording 1982?

Jeez! Is it me, or is them who's constantly getting it wrong?

I sold one for £100 a couple of months ago.....

Ian D

Is that alt to the Soul and TM release i.e. the one on the Northern Soul Connoisseurs CD?

not sure Simon, will have to find the cd and check.

not sure Simon, will have to find the cd and check.

I think it's basically the same take, but just a few differences in the lyrics here and there.

Think i had that take on a cd anyway never mind the alt-takes it makes me wonder how many more songs or alternative versions will get of Frank Wilson music before you know a cd's worth wouldn't that be a cd cracker

Would imagine there are a few alt takes as most recordings got back then and still do !

My demo & sleeve are framed up with an autographed pic y !!

So what about all these rumours of 2 stock copies about to be revealed to the world

Ian.

I think it's basically the same take, but just a few differences in the lyrics here and there.

Err doesn't that mean it's a different take

Would imagine there are a few alt takes as most recordings got back then and still do !

My demo & sleeve are framed up with an autographed pic y !!

So what about all these rumours of 2 stock copies about to be revealed to the world

Ian.

Probably just that, rumours. Wasn't it Ron Murphy who got one of the few from someone who worked at the pressing plant??? Never got past the demo stage and supposedly just 6 pressed which were again supposedly destroyed?

Err doesn't that mean it's a different take

Probably just that, rumours. Wasn't it Ron Murphy who got one of the few from someone who worked at the pressing plant??? Never got past the demo stage and supposedly just 6 pressed which were again supposedly destroyed?

Yes Ron Murphy had a copy which he showed to me at this place in Detroit around 89-90 - he wouldn't sell it then, but maybe a year later did as part of a pile of stuff and that's the copy that Kenny Burrell has got.

Yes Ron Murphy had a copy which he showed to me at this place in Detroit around 89-90 - he wouldn't sell it then, but maybe a year later did as part of a pile of stuff and that's the copy that Kenny Burrell has got.

I'm pretty sure that Kenny's copy was Les McCutcheon's/Johnathan Woodliffe's original copy which was the first one wasn't it?

Ian D

I'm pretty sure that Kenny's copy was Les McCutcheon's/Johnathan Woodliffe's original copy which was the first one wasn't it?

Ian D

Quite right , young Foggy : the one in KB's collection is the one JW had ......

Malc Burton

Yes Ron Murphy had a copy which he showed to me at this place in Detroit around 89-90 - he wouldn't sell it then, but maybe a year later did as part of a pile of stuff and that's the copy that Kenny Burrell has got.

thought so, went via Martin Koppell and Tim B to Kenny didn't it.

Quite right , young Foggy : the one in KB's collection is the one JW had ......

Malc Burton

Thought Tim's copy is the one Jonathan had???

thought so, went via Martin Koppell and Tim B to Kenny didn't it.

yes, it did. which will have made Tim one of the very few people who actually had two different copies of this record in his hands. not that it matters though..

Edited August 8, 200816 yr by Marc Forrest

Ist cop went Tom DePerio- Soussan - Les Mc- Jonathan - Kev - Tim Brown

2nd copy - Ron Murphy - sold to Martin Koppell/Tim Brown.

Tim then had hands on 2 copies, and I was told he kept the one he had from Kev and sold on the Ron Murphy copy to Kenny - but thinking about it I don't know....so sorry if I got that wrong.

(Les Mc says he photo copied the label on the one he had and the photo copier slightly warped it)

Ist cop went Tom DePerio- Soussan - Les Mc- Jonathan - Kev - Tim Brown

2nd copy - Ron Murphy - sold to Martin Koppell/Tim Brown.

Tim then had hands on 2 copies, and I was told he kept the one he had from Kev and sold on the Ron Murphy copy to Kenny - but thinking about it I don't know....so sorry if I got that wrong.

(Les Mc says he photo copied the label on the one he had and the photo copier slightly warped it)

Doesn't Kenny have the warped egde one ?

Ist cop went Tom DePerio- Soussan - Les Mc- Jonathan - Kev - Tim Brown

2nd copy - Ron Murphy - sold to Martin Koppell/Tim Brown.

Tim then had hands on 2 copies, and I was told he kept the one he had from Kev and sold on the Ron Murphy copy to Kenny - but thinking about it I don't know....so sorry if I got that wrong.

(Les Mc says he photo copied the label on the one he had and the photo copier slightly warped it)

Doesn't Kenny have the warped egde one ?

Don't think you have got it wrong Neil. Pretty sure Tims got the 1st copy, warps an all