April 27, 200916 yr yeah loads of people ...........Nik might be referring to the first press with slightly different credits & slightly different shade of label colour.........but then you knew that didnt you cheeky . Russ
April 28, 200916 yr ...........Nik might be referring to the first press with slightly different credits & slightly different shade of label colour.........but then you knew that didnt you cheeky . Russ Hi mate.
April 28, 200916 yr Rob Smith has one in his sales Thanks Smudge. Is he on here? Or have you got a link to him?
May 1, 200916 yr I want one too, how much is it these days? £80? Any offers? (It's Barry btw - don't ask!)
May 1, 200916 yr I want one too, how much is it these days? £80? Any offers? (It's Barry btw - don't ask!) It's around the £100 area, so you may just get one for £80 in Credit Crunch Britain
May 1, 200916 yr Has anyone got scans of the two different issues... and evidence of which one came first?
May 1, 200916 yr Hi nik, vince had one for 60 the other wk vg+ and simon picked one up for a bit cheaper a little while back, normaly aroud 90 / 100 for a minter Edited May 1, 200916 yr by tim smithers
May 1, 200916 yr Has anyone got scans of the two different issues... and evidence of which one came first? Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ
May 1, 200916 yr Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ so still none the wiser then.... My copy came from the U.S. so I'd be interested in finding out whether its the one with the correct or incorrect credits. Manships guide doesn't state that there's two different issues, or even that it's been booted.
May 1, 200916 yr so still none the wiser then.... My copy came from the U.S. so I'd be interested in finding out whether its the one with the correct or incorrect credits. Manships guide doesn't state that there's two different issues, or even that it's been booted. If you go on popsike you can clearly see the different credits........I've been trying to put the scans up on here but cant, anyone else try pse. BTW still cant remember which was the first ......its not a boot as far as i know, its a repress done cos the original was withdrawn. Russ
May 1, 200916 yr One credit states 'Watkins - Carnobi' the other credits 'Reave - Watkins'......... Russ
May 1, 200916 yr Pale? Blue label with mid-blue print - credits Reave Watkins Greyish blue with dark blue print - credits Watkins Carnobi
May 1, 200916 yr Pale? Blue label with mid-blue print - credits Reave Watkins Greyish blue with dark blue print - credits Watkins Carnobi There ya go mate..........thanks for that, I knew i wasnt going mad.........now if i could just emember which came first !!!! Russ
May 1, 200916 yr guessing that the Reave Watkins one is first - as its arranged by R(eave?) Watkins Edited May 1, 200916 yr by pikeys dog
May 1, 200916 yr I have the gut feeling it was the blue label which credits Reave Watkins that was first ???........however i am only basing this on a nagging far distant memory & wouldnt want to bet on it. Russ
May 1, 200916 yr was this Dave Thorley or Gary Rushbrook at TOTW....?......super manic upstairs steamer
May 1, 200916 yr was this Dave Thorley or Gary Rushbrook at TOTW....?......super manic upstairs steamer Richard Searling, WC, James Lewis c/up. Russ
May 1, 200916 yr Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ Russ are you thinking Danny Everard?
May 1, 200916 yr we've done this one before folks....so there's a previous thread which explains i've got a copy with one label and my mate dirty-john has got t'other - i'm sure that when we compared them they were both stamped off the same plates? so i don't think it's really significant which is the first one, cos obviously neither is a bootleg .....or is it? i don't think there are that many kicking around - you don't see it for sale very often.....i would want a lot more than £80 if i was selling one
May 1, 200916 yr Has anyone got scans of the two different issues... and evidence of which one came first? i scanned both and put them up on a thread a few years ago ago - i think we kinda agreed that one was earlier than the other, can't remember why now though...think it was cos someone had the copy which was first uncovered the colour variation is negligible - it's the credits that are (slightly) different
May 2, 200916 yr i would want a lot more than £80 if i was selling one Been told this week that one went for £450 a week or so ago on ebay !
May 2, 200916 yr Richard Searling, WC, James Lewis c/up. Russdid Richard Searling ever DJ upstairs at TOTW?...who played it upstairs?...
May 2, 200916 yr i would want a lot more than £80 if i was selling one Been told this week that one went for £450 a week or so ago on ebay ! , last one I saw on evilbay some time ago was about £100, what´s about the right price imho...
May 2, 200916 yr Russ are you thinking Danny Everard? No........he used to go the 100 Club all the time, used to knock around with Wayne from Swindon & Nigel & Ged from round these parts, havnt seen any of em for years. Russ
May 2, 200916 yr we've done this one before folks....so there's a previous thread which explains i've got a copy with one label and my mate dirty-john has got t'other - i'm sure that when we compared them they were both stamped off the same plates? so i don't think it's really significant which is the first one, cos obviously neither is a bootleg .....or is it? i don't think there are that many kicking around - you don't see it for sale very often.....i would want a lot more than £80 if i was selling one As i stated earlier, they are not bootlegs, but a REPRESS the original was withdrawn cos there was a hooha over credits, credits were ammended & record was repressed. Furthermore there is a colour difference in the label, its quite obvious when you get them together.........ALL I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHICH WAS THE WITHDRAWN ORIGINAL PRESS, I did know, but self abuse & the mists of time have fogged the memory . It is significant, altho as you quite rightly state, neither is a boot, cos otherwise the information will become lost, we need to document this info correctly. Most people either dont know about the repress, or dont want to know in case the one they have turns out to be the second press !!!. So can we pse nail this........does the previous thread get to the bottom of it ???.......i cant find it to check. Russ
May 2, 200916 yr Out of interest which copy do you have ? Russ The one with the greyish label and dark blue print (off the top of my head).
May 4, 200916 yr As i stated earlier, they are not bootlegs, but a REPRESS the original was withdrawn cos there was a hooha over credits, credits were ammended & record was repressed. Furthermore there is a colour difference in the label, its quite obvious when you get them together.........ALL I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHICH WAS THE WITHDRAWN ORIGINAL PRESS, I did know, but self abuse & the mists of time have fogged the memory . It is significant, altho as you quite rightly state, neither is a boot, cos otherwise the information will become lost, we need to document this info correctly. Most people either dont know about the repress, or dont want to know in case the one they have turns out to be the second press !!!. So can we pse nail this........does the previous thread get to the bottom of it ???.......i cant find it to check. Russ from memory, the one with the darker blue print is the second issue...but i'm not sure on this!!!
May 6, 200916 yr from memory, the one with the darker blue print is the second issue...but i'm not sure on this!!! Thanks peeps (Russ!). Got one & it's the first press I'm reliably informed. I will be dropping this at the weekend!
May 6, 200916 yr I bought Richard Searlings copy of Dave Knight back around 1985/6 looking at the 2 scans im buggered if i can remember which is which. the records in Scandanavia now. i have leaning to the silver one
May 8, 200916 yr was this Dave Thorley or Gary Rushbrook at TOTW....?......super manic upstairs steamer Hi Guys Only just read this thread. Richard played it first as Case Of Time C/U at Wigan. Got mine from Soul Bowl about six months later and played it at Yate. Richard and I went on to play it at early Staffords. As far as I know Gary Rushbrook never had one at that time. As to the label thing, pale grey/light blue, Reave Watkins is the first issue. Both mine and Richards were the same, which in it's self doesn't confirm, but in addition John Anderson, did tell me about the second press some years later, when I saw one at an event, show it to him and he told me they were the second issues. He did at some time in the passed speak to someone involved with the record. Hope that helps Dave
May 8, 200916 yr Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ That was Danny Huff, found 2 or 3 Cairos, a few Tommy Ridgeley's too.
May 8, 200916 yr the guy from swindon was danny huff, i used to hang around with him a bit in the 80's when he used to spend a bit of time in southampton visiting his girlfriend rowena, really nice guy, totally eccentric..danny everard was from cornwall originally, however he did support swindon town
May 8, 200916 yr That was Danny Huff, found 2 or 3 Cairos, a few Tommy Ridgeley's too. ou beat me to it tony
May 9, 200916 yr ou beat me to it tony I think I may be able to clear up the confusion? I've just got my copy thru and it's the silvery bluey one. After playing it I realised that the run out is cut short IE: the fade doesn't go to nothing but stops in mid sentence. This could be the reason there was another press run as it would stop the record from being played on the radio, which would be the main objective. If this had happened on the demo they would have probably let it go out but the issue would have been recalled and done again? (Probably really confused the shit out of everyone now! LOL! )
May 13, 200916 yr Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ It's Danny Huff that your talking about, and your wrong about a copy of the Cario's, It was TWO, One was Ex the other had a edge chip, Ted Massey had one, Nick Brown the other I believe, Danny was a bit shy about who brought them. It was £500 at the time which was a hell of alot of Money for the late 80's. I saw both records together, he also got Tommy Ridgely and Little Stanley, I couldn't afford the £250 he wanted for TR, was only 19 at the time. Hope it clears it up for you Russ
May 13, 200916 yr Hi Guys Only just read this thread. Richard played it first as Case Of Time C/U at Wigan. Got mine from Soul Bowl about six months later and played it at Yate. Richard and I went on to play it at early Staffords. As far as I know Gary Rushbrook never had one at that time. As to the label thing, pale grey/light blue, Reave Watkins is the first issue. Both mine and Richards were the same, which in it's self doesn't confirm, but in addition John Anderson, did tell me about the second press some years later, when I saw one at an event, show it to him and he told me they were the second issues. He did at some time in the passed speak to someone involved with the record. Hope that helps Dave
May 13, 200916 yr It's Danny Huff that your talking about, and your wrong about a copy of the Cario's, It was TWO, One was Ex the other had a edge chip, Ted Massey had one, Nick Brown the other I believe, Danny was a bit shy about who brought them. It was £500 at the time which was a hell of alot of Money for the late 80's. I saw both records together, he also got Tommy Ridgely and Little Stanley, I couldn't afford the £250 he wanted for TR, was only 19 at the time. Hope it clears it up for you Russ time muddies the brain im afraid i already had the Carios (kebs copy) i met Danny in a car park in Bristol and bought the Tommy Ridgley he had 2 copies i paid 200 and the other went to tim Brown for 250 Danny said he charged him more cause he could afford it
May 14, 200916 yr I think I may be able to clear up the confusion? I've just got my copy thru and it's the silvery bluey one. After playing it I realised that the run out is cut short IE: the fade doesn't go to nothing but stops in mid sentence. This could be the reason there was another press run as it would stop the record from being played on the radio, which would be the main objective. If this had happened on the demo they would have probably let it go out but the issue would have been recalled and done again? (Probably really confused the shit out of everyone now! LOL! ) Both issues do that..as stated earlier,they're both pressed off the same stampers.
May 17, 200916 yr Both issues do that..as stated earlier,they're both pressed off the same stampers. Edited May 18, 200916 yr by woolie mark
May 25, 200916 yr time muddies the brain im afraid i already had the Carios (kebs copy) i met Danny in a car park in Bristol and bought the Tommy Ridgley he had 2 copies i paid 200 and the other went to tim Brown for 250 Danny said he charged him more cause he could afford it Us lot in Swindon knew he had two Carios, Danny would never confirm who actually brought them, £500 was a top ticket price then and there were not many records exchanging hands for much more at the time. You were known for the shrine thing and everybody in swindon assumed you got one, Danny was also very friendly with nick brown from orpington who was another into buying the shrine things. A case of 1+1=2, 20 years on and you find out you got it wrong I'll pull him on the TR as I certainly couldn't afford it! I still see Danny about once a month, he's settled down now living in London, not really interested in the scene now. Still as mad as a hatter. Edited May 25, 200916 yr by julesp1905
Anyone got a real one of this?????