Anyone put the details to these two tacks, they are bugging me now!

https://soundcloud.com/chalkster/two-unknown-tracks

Second track is Hour Glass (early Allman Brothers):

Thanks Seb.

Not heard the Hour Glass thing, I like it! The blurb points to a west coast production but has an extremely beachy south east feel to it, maybe not surprising since the Allman Bros were I believe from Macon, and Georgia is next door to Carolinas!

Is this on 45?

Edited June 5, 201213 yr by mark w.

From what I can see it only came out on a 1967 Liberty LP.

Yep just seen the Hour Glass LP, hardish too for an Lp it appears, (90ish euros one spotted but long gone)

Edited June 5, 201213 yr by mark w.

Yep just seen the Hour Glass LP, hardish too for an Lp it appears, (90ish euros one spotted but long gone)

It was on a 1973 LP release as well.

1st track is an acetate recording by JB Willingham.

The Hour Glass track is known on the Northern scene and I managed to get a copy of the L.P.

In a recent conversation with one of the Allman brothers it was suggested that that track 'Out Of The Night' appeals to Northern Soul afficionados and he was a bit perplexed to say the least, i can't remember where I read that now? It may have been Greg's 'Hey Baby Days Of Beach Music'???

Chalky , I may be wrong but I think Rob Thomas has/had the J.B. Willingham track? Not a lot of help I know

Cheers

Swifty

Chalky , I may be wrong but I think Rob Thomas has/had the J.B. Willingham track? Not a lot of help I know

Cheers

Swifty

He did or still has, one or t'other. Wasn't another there was another JB Willingham track as well Rob had, same as summit else that escapes me right now, Sam Fletcher?

He did or still has, one or t'other. Wasn't another there was another JB Willingham track as well Rob had, same as summit else that escapes me right now, Sam Fletcher?

Yes mate , it was a version of Sam Fletcher , he played it to me the other week.

Swifty

P.S. 'I'd think it over ' credits W.B. Willingham ?

Edited June 5, 201213 yr by SWIFTY

I remember hearing it during some of his sets.

I thought it was Andy Rix's first? Sam fletcher disc credits JB.

Edited June 5, 201213 yr by Prophonics 2029

I thought it was Andy Rix's first? Sam fletcher disc credits JB.

I don't have Sam Fletcher but when I googled it the copies had W B Willingham on , plus I think Andy & Rob sort of share their finds.

Swifty

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Edited June 8, 201213 yr by simon t

I bought the JB Willingham "Don't Wanna Be Hurt No More" acetate off Sam many moons ago - I had it for about 8/10 years and sold it on only a couple of years ago. This was a 7" single sided Associated acetate (for what it's worth, the picture on my avatar is said disc).

Cheers

Mick

was this one of the things that jimmy radcliffe's son was selling copies of here?

The Hour Glass track was one Rob sourced from Lew Stanley on acetate.

We played it quite a bit covered-up as The Seven Souls - It's Time

The reason for this being that Henry Moore, who co-wrote the song with Robert Welch, also composed 'I Still Love You' & 'I'm No Stranger' that the Seven Souls recorded .. he also wrote a track called 'Seven Souls Theme'.

I got the J.B. Willingham 8" acetate from James in addition to his 'demo' version of 'I'd Think It Over Twice'.

Andy

I got the J.B. Willingham 8" acetate from James in addition to his 'demo' version of 'I'd Think It Over Twice'.

Andy

Hi Andy - So that's an 8" - I didn't know about that one !! - Nice

Is it the same take as the 7" I wonder ? (The sound clip in the opening post is exactly the same as the 7" Accociated, at least as far as the soundclip plays)

Cheers

Mick

Is it the same take as the 7" I wonder ? (The sound clip in the opening post is exactly the same as the 7" Accociated, at least as far as the soundclip plays)

As far as I can tell it is exactly the same

Andy

As far as I can tell it is exactly the same

Andy

Thanks Andy

Thanks Andy for the story behind them and for the scans.

The Hour Glass track was one Rob sourced from Lew Stanley on acetate.

I've seen several of these "R&B" acetates,featuring various artists. Never been quite sure what to make of them.

There are a couple of interesting references on the net.

https://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/tams.htm

The Tams discog in the link above has this - "R & B (no #) - Laugh It Off / I've Been Hurt - 1977 (came in a plain white label with red logo lettering with "A '77 Lori Production" and "Dynatone Recording" typed on label - these are alternate versions of earlier charted tracks)"

There is a little more regarding this Tams 45 here - https://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/southernsoul/message/38720

The reason for this being that Henry Moore, who co-wrote the song with Robert Welch, also composed 'I Still Love You' & 'I'm No Stranger' that the Seven Souls recorded .. he also wrote a track called 'Seven Souls Theme'.

you know that Bob Welch died yesterday right? He was in the seven souls and fleetwood mac.