Jump to content
  • Sign Up
denbo

33Rpm 7" Records With Small Spindle Holes

Recommended Posts

Without doing the research, I always thought that 45rpm 7" singles were made with big holes for the benefit of jukeboxes. So why do us record collectors keep finding 33rpm 7" singles with small holes?

 

Also, I wonder why they cut a different, almost reggae styled version, of 'Sugar Dumpling' for the RCA Victor Lp 'Twistin The Night Away', which I have on one of those 33rpm 7" singles with a small hole, which inspired me to put the question out there. Hope I've got the right section of the forum for these questions. Apologies to moderators if I've not.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The creation of 45 rpm singles really had nothing to do with jukeboxes. RCA came up with the format to counter Columbia's 33 1/3 rpm format.

The 1st 45's came out in March of 1949 - the 1st 45 jukebox ( the Seeburg M100B)  came out about a year later. The 1st 45 players came with

a changer so you could stack the records on top of each other. The engineers found that the records were getting damaged  when dropped.To reduce the

stress and friction, they came up with the larger hole.

  A lot of the 33 1/3 singles were usually in stereo and were made for jukeboxes. In 1961 RCA released singles in both 45 rpm and 33 1/3 format

and were eventually going to phase out 45's. The idea was a disaster and in 1962, the 33 1/3 format was discontinued.

  Finally, I don't know why Sam made two versions of "Sugar Dumplin' ".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good post from 'The Yank'. In addition, the 33 1/3 format was used right up to the mid 60s for certain Juke and LP Promo formats. You could get six tracks on the Jukebox for the same 'space' as a double sided 45. A good example are the Motown/Atlantic/ABC/  Little LPs, the story of which will appear on the Front Page of Soul Source shortly. 

 

Regards,

 

Dave

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lots of Jukeboxes were manufactured to play 33rpms (Seeburg particularly).

 

My theory is that Argentina and other South American countries ended up with the 7" 33.3RPM format, as 45 became the industry standard for Jukeboxes in the US, all of the old boxes were dumped on the S. American market.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

cracks me up that some albums you can get entirely on 33rpm small hole 7"s as an alternate format, multiple 7"s all packed together, one track per side, pretty cute.

 

 

These 'albums' were created purely fro Jukeboxes - it's not very often that you find them complete, but when you do they are housed in a printed title envelope, with title strips and natty little facsimiles of the album cover.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yeah, i have a few still in the envelopes & all, coincidentally enough, the Sam Cooke "Twistin' The Night Away" one with "Sugar Dumpling" was the first one I could locate here after seeing this thread  :) The RCA ones are called "Featured Artist Promotional Pre-Packs"....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Comment now!

Comments are members only

Sign Up

Join Soul Source - Free & easy!

Sign up now!

Sign in

Sign in here.

Sign in now!

Related Soul Music Links

    • 1 posts
    • 257 reads
    • Mark Bicknell
    • 21 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 113 reads
    • Sigs 79
    • 20 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 111 reads
    • soulboy69
    • 19 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 447 reads
    • Dave Thorley
    • 18 May 2018
    • 1 posts
    • 85 reads
    • thejan
    • 18 May 2018
    • 2 posts
    • 117 reads
    • Chris L
    • 16 May 2018
    • 3 posts
    • 244 reads
    • Kieron Taz Robathan
    • 14 May 2018
×

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.