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Difficult one, but I'll got for Paul Anka, can't help loving you or Johnny caswell , even Freddie Chavez?

the worst pop record ever played is 'I walked away' - nauseous racket:D

​Johnny Caswell and Freddie Chavez ( pop music) i don't think so :g:

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Are we assuming that if the singer is white the record is a "pop" record ? That seems to be the trend here.

Danny Wagner - "I Lost A True Love" - a "pop" record that is as soulful as you can get !!

 

 

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Don't think the yardstick should be whether the singer is white, although the examples rightly submitted are predominantly white, I think, especially where vocal groups are concerned, we would be surprised at some great soul records would probably turn out to be white groups, Temptones for example, white, but certainly not pop

 

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Are we assuming that if the singer is white the record is a "pop" record ? That seems to be the trend here.

Danny Wagner - "I Lost A True Love" - a "pop" record that is as soulful as you can get !!

 

 

​I'm not assuming the singer is white.Danny Wagner is never a pop record.

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http://thatphillysound.com/artists/johnny_caswell.html

http://www.freddiechavezsings.com

every record released had an aim to be a 'pop' success, certain songs had a feel /sound that suited the UK northern soul scene perfectly.... My three listed are good examples. 

 

​Pop is short for Popular.    Your  three listed records are all very rare on issue copies, so were never popular in the States as new releases! 

The records you mention are great classic Northern Soul records.  When Charles Calello put together "I Can't help Loving You" and Leon Huff wrote "You Don't Love Me Anymore" I think that it's their interpretation of the Tamla Motown sound.   

 

There are hundreds of black records that are much more poppy than those you mention!

Stuff like, "A Lovers Concerto" - The Toys or "The Happening" by the Supremes, "The Clapping Song" - Shirley Ellis, "Waterfall" - Jimmy Cliff, "A Tisket A Tasket" - Patti Austin, the list goes on!

 

 

 

 

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​I'm not assuming the singer is white.Danny Wagner is never a pop record.

​Please tell me then your definition of a pop record over a soul record - in a Northern Soul context .

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​Please tell me then your definition of a pop record over a soul record - in a Northern Soul context .

Pop record - one was adopted by soul scene and then charted. Not necessarily by a "soul " artist. Danny Wagner was taken from the lp but surely could never be classed as pop in the context of this thread. Even DW would have been shocked if ILATL had charted.

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All Night Long

Joe Walsh

 

This boot-scootin' little ditty from Joe Walsh makes our list of "night" songs because of its ability to fill a dance floor. Walsh took advantage of the growing country music explosion and offered his own hybrid of guitar rock mixed with just a dash of twang to land himself on the 'Urban Cowboy' soundtrack.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A confused thread already. I dont think that the definition of Pop music is that its popular, that would mean that an r&b, soul, dance or rock track ceased to be one of those styles on achieving popularity, which doesnt make sense. It would also leave failed attempts at pop / chart hits with no genre at all.

I think the simplest way is to judge the intention, not always possible of course but none of it is exact science. Its absurd to seriously believe that some of the more hardcore or deeper soul records were expecting or hoping for mainstream success. I know from making dance records aimed squarely and purely at tbe dance maket that popular success isnt the intention of every artist.

So id say that if a record is aimed at mainstream radio and the pop market - black or white - then its pop music and will be identifiable by sharing qualities with contemporary pop trends. If its aimed at a niche market - the soul / r&b specialist stations and charts, then, unless its widely off the mark, it can be described as soul / r&b.

Consistant with that definition, my vote would be for dana vallery and judy hughes and ellie greenwich

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Pow Wow. I am defining pop by meaning non soul, blues, jazz, funk etc. All those weird and wonderful discs that are part of the northern scene and make it unique, and which non northern folks can't fathom. For example, my wife, a non soulie is totally confused by hearing something like "Nothing But Love" John Rhys played at a soul night.

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the MVPs and Mr Floods party also spring to mind

​There's only one trouble with that, the MVPs is not a pop record!! 

Written by Bobby Flax and Lenny Lambert and arranged and produced by the great Horace Ott!!

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