Im not on here much anymore (phew I hear some say).😉

But, I just saw this and it inspired me to set the record straight (no pun intended.)

https://onelp.com/one-45--northern-soul/SEAN-CHAPMAN_wb_-WILLIAM-ELLIS-copy/

Now, I really like and respect Sean, he's a top bloke. But this is all so inaccurate.

It was myself and Mik Parry who owned the first two copies of this rarity in the UK and were breaking/playing it at many venues from 2004/5 onwards. It was a Soul or Nothing and DDA  standard and played out a lot by myself at many venues, including at bigger nighters like Middleton, Rugby, Lifeline etc. I sold mine to Flanny many years ago.

Got mine for £300 as I remember.

This type of historical appropriation happens a lot on the soul scene and also happened with John Harris & the Soul Sayers which I was playing out a lot around the same time (also a DDA staple) and when there was only me doing that in the UK (I had gone all the way to OZ to trade a copy for Bernetia Miller).

Have top 2020!

2 minutes ago, Steve G said:

I only got as far as the Wigans Ovation review, or was it David Bowie's cover of "Knock on wood"? I've forgotten already. And yes the internet is awash with mis-information and people re-writing history. Way too late to do anything about it now.....it is not going to change and will only get worse as the myths get perpetuated. For me it's about this. A real shame that far more people seem interested in some of these 'talking heads' (not all in the article fall into this category but some do), than are interested in the people who actually made the music in the first place. 

Spot on .

34 minutes ago, Steve G said:

I only got as far as the Wigans Ovation review, or was it David Bowie's cover of "Knock on wood"? I've forgotten already. And yes the internet is awash with mis-information and people re-writing history. Way too late to do anything about it now.....it is not going to change and will only get worse as the myths get perpetuated. For me it's about this. A real shame that far more people seem interested in some of these 'talking heads' (not all in the article fall into this category but some do), than are interested in the people who actually made the music in the first place. 

I could not agree more, which is why since joining this site I have asked (and received so much help) in identifying artists and credits, labels etc. which is so much more important than "who played it first", unless someone, it seems, is maybe just trying to push their now ego to get false recognition.

 

It might be about tne music but it is also about a music scene. The scene has a history and one that shouldn’t be forgotten.  Those who have had an influence should receive some credit.  Lets be honest, if not for this scene, the crate diggers, dealers, the Djs and the dancers, much of the music would have been lost or forgotten.   I see very little pushing of an ego by those who have something to shout about.

Edited January 5, 20205 yr by Chalky

2 hours ago, Chalky said:

It might be about tne music but it is also about a music scene. The scene has a history and one that shouldn’t be forgotten.  Those who have had an influence should receive some credit.  Lets be honest, if not for this scene, the crate diggers, dealers, the Djs and the dancers, much of the music would have been lost or forgotten.   I see very little pushing of an ego by those who have something to shout about.

When you put it like that , so true . 

3 hours ago, Chalky said:

It might be about tne music but it is also about a music scene. The scene has a history and one that shouldn’t be forgotten.  Those who have had an influence should receive some credit.  Lets be honest, if not for this scene, the crate diggers, dealers, the Djs and the dancers, much of the music would have been lost or forgotten.   I see very little pushing of an ego by those who have something to shout about.

Not to differ; to acknowledge someone else's credit is evidently important. I couldn't agree more.

But when Caesar crowned himself 'Emperor' ! Or Trump compliments himself a lot...

These are extremes but my point and others I believe lies there. But the OP started on 'historical amnesia'.

And a shout about as to have either a point, share one's enthusiasm for a record or to tell a tell tale around it; YES !

Edited January 5, 20205 yr by Tlscapital

3 hours ago, Chalky said:

It might be about tne music but it is also about a music scene. The scene has a history and one that shouldn’t be forgotten.  Those who have had an influence should receive some credit.  Lets be honest, if not for this scene, the crate diggers, dealers, the Djs and the dancers, much of the music would have been lost or forgotten.   I see very little pushing of an ego by those who have something to shout about.

It is certainly true that many people who have "had an influence" don't have an overactive ego gland, but others are almost professionals at self publicity.   

3 hours ago, Chalky said:

It might be about tne music but it is also about a music scene. The scene has a history and one that shouldn’t be forgotten.  Those who have had an influence should receive some credit.  Lets be honest, if not for this scene, the crate diggers, dealers, the Djs and the dancers, much of the music would have been lost or forgotten.   I see very little pushing of an ego by those who have something to shout about.

Again, they and it should, but only if it's true Karl, the scene only exists because of the music and there are still too many people asking "who played it first" or "what's it worth" as you know yourself. I was just pointing out the number one important thing is to credit the artist etc and then all the other fun and games can come after that as in "the order of things"

15 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Again, they and it should, but only if it's true Karl, the scene only exists because of the music and there are still too many people asking "who played it first" or "what's it worth" as you know yourself. I was just pointing out the number one important thing is to credit the artist etc and then all the other fun and games can come after that as in "the order of things"

But the artist is credited and many I have corresponded with are eternally grateful as they rarely knew that their music was appreciated.  Johnathon Capree has had the recognition but this topic was highlighting inaccuracies in the fun and games that came after.

I can remember Mik Parry did a spot at the 100 Club and played it. Must be a good 12 years.

First heard Hamilton Movement at Kempton Rovers soul night - probably even earlier.

Mark C

 

 

On 04/01/2020 at 13:27, Winsford Soul said:

Im Spartacus.  🤣That's why i called myself Winsford soul on here instead of my real name Steve Smith. 🤣 We're far to common 🤣.i think that there should be a cull. 

Nothing common about you mate. Mad as a box of frog's for sure but never common. Criag says it's a good job there's only one!!! 😂🤣😂 

1 hour ago, Rhino said:

Nothing common about you mate. Mad as a box of frog's for sure but never common. Criag says it's a good job there's only one!!! 😂🤣😂 

Not sure that either of you saying that is a compliment or not 🤔but I will take it as one. 🤣🤣. There'sa few people actually said that over the years,  Don't know why 🤣

18 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Not sure that either of you saying that is a compliment or not 🤔but I will take it as one. 🤣🤣. There'sa few people actually said that over the years,  Don't know why 🤣

It's definitely a complement as the say bird of a feather flock together 🐦🐦🐦🐦👍😜