nine times out of ten,,,iconic northern soul spin from the 70s...

sung by muriel day,,im thinking obviously white..but can anyone tell me owt about her....

background etc....

and who'll admit to dancing to it at wigan???

(no you dont have to answer that one)

I'm sure all my mates did.

I have a selective memory, can I get back to you on that.........

I'm sure all my mates did.

I have a selective memory, can I get back to you on that.........

Isn't she Irish ? Thought NTOOT was the b side of a Eurovision song contest entry.

Last time I was in wigan was in the summer of 1992, I remember the petrol was very cheap; the lass behind the counter had a name badge on, she was called Muriel, is that any help?

Best forget bout Muriel Day and please God dont let her be Irish thats all we need

Best forget bout Muriel Day and please God dont let her be Irish thats all we need

Check out 1969 Kev !

https://www.keithm.utvinternet.ie/IrishVideos.htm

Check out 1969 Kev !

https://www.keithm.utvinternet.ie/IrishVideos.htm

What can i say Steve!! but still cant stand 9 times out of bloody ten

We auctioned a demo copy with an info sheet all about the lass.

This is from memory I think she was Irish, I think we may have that very scan with the info on her. See if I can find it. The a-side I think was put up for Euro consideration not an entry...

Glen Bellamy was the first to play this 45 in Northamptonshire and around, it soon spread to Cleethorpes Pier and eventually to Wigan Casino. So not a true Wigan Casino tune.. but Tony Blackburn was..

Must admit Muriel is not a gal I've took much notice of..but I will see what I can find out.

PS the red stock copy is dog-rare.. if that gets anyone excited

Glen Bellamy was the first to play this 45,

Gawd, and there was me blaming Minshull and Winstanley all these years!

nine times out of ten,,,iconic northern soul spin from the 70s...

sung by muriel day,,im thinking obviously white..but can anyone tell me owt about her....

background etc....

and who'll admit to dancing to it at wigan???

(no you dont have to answer that one)

A playlist from Coalville Tiffs circa 1977 / 78. Yes, I did dance to it . . . more than once, but so did a lot of others . . . it WAS massive at the time!! Pop stompers ruled O.K.! Okay!! Okeh!!!

Coalville Tiffanys near Leicester is one of the places I hadn't managed to get to, but had a good reputation and on my recent visit was not disappointed with the thriving Friday all-nighter scene there. Chris King is the guy who runs the place and he told me a few facts and figures about it. Admission is £1.50 for members and £1.75 for non-members, but as membership is only 30p (available from Notts & Leicester Soul Club,Derbyshire) you are much better off sending an S.A.E. for one. One of the things I really liked about the all-nighter was the hours, 8 till 8, a real all-nighter and the bar was open till 2 o'clock, making this an attractive place to visit. The place is restricted to over 16s and this is quite strictly kept to, I'm glad to say. Tiffanys seem to have that simular sort of look about them and this one is no different. Having two rooms - the main hall being new sounds and oldies and the smaller room at the far end of the hall playing oldies. But as Chris called them older oldies like Hey-Sa-Lo-Ney, Nothing else to say, Dr love, etc., from the pre 74 era on the whole. This means that even when both rooms are playing oldies two completely sets of oldies are going at the same time - a situation that has obviously been well thought out. Every second Friday in the month the all-nighter is held and D.J.'s on the 19/20 May were Chris King, Rob Lythall, Nev Wherry, Brian Rae, Soul Sam and Rob Smith, plus a few local lads in the oldies room. The D.J.'s collections vary widely from Nev Wherry's virtually 100% British playlist to Rob Lythall's, one of the new D.J.'s making a breakthrough into the top flight of rarities D.J.'s, making for a varied time. But I must say good as Muriel Day - 9 times out of 10 is I'm getting tired of it. I heard it no less than six times in six hours and that's just too much for me personally. On the food, there was a coke and soft drinks bar after 2 o'clock and also a snack bar which sold beefburgers, chips and enormous cheese and onion rolls (which I devoured), tea and coffee. It was about the best food at a venue I'd had since Loughborough (must specialise in nosh in the Midlands.) Neil Rushton provided the record bar and record dealing on the whole was quite good, with the local lads doing a brisk trade out of the boxes they carried. On the night about 900 people were in the place and just a special name check to Ian 'Bananas' Stewart and his girlfriend Jasmine. Not for any reason, just that I'll get ear ache if I don't. So all in all quite a good place with a good cross section of records being played and good car parking and catering facilities provided.

To round off a few of the sounds the D.J.'s played:

Chris King: Kenny Gamble (Tony Blackburn) - I'll do anything, Burning Bush - Keeps on burning, Shirelles - Last minute miracle. Rob Lythall: Derek & Ray (Alan Reuss) - Destination everywhere, Mike Post (Baja Marimba Band) - Along comes Mary, Lou Pride - I'm coming home in the morning. Nev Wherry: John Drevar - The closer she gets, Helen Shapiro - Stop and become aware, Lorraine Silver - Lost summer love. Brian Rae: Muriel Day - 9 times out of 10, Outsiders - Lonely man, Harry Betts - Fantastic plastic machine. Sam: Village of tears - Ben Zine, Phil Coulter - Good thing going, Billy Arnell - Tough girl.

Edited May 4, 200718 yr by martinsbox

To round off a few of the sounds the D.J.'s played:

Chris King: Kenny Gamble (Tony Blackburn) - I'll do anything, Burning Bush - Keeps on burning, Shirelles - Last minute miracle. Rob Lythall: Derek & Ray (Alan Reuss) - Destination everywhere, Mike Post (Baja Marimba Band) - Along comes Mary, Lou Pride - I'm coming home in the morning. Nev Wherry: John Drevar - The closer she gets, Helen Shapiro - Stop and become aware, Lorraine Silver - Lost summer love. Brian Rae: Muriel Day - 9 times out of 10, Outsiders - Lonely man, Harry Betts - Fantastic plastic machine. Sam: Village of tears - Ben Zine, Phil Coulter - Good thing going, Billy Arnell - Tough girl.

This is from around spring 1978 and this must surely be the worst time for quality records in the history of the scene, I gave it 3 more months then just stopped going to Wigan, you can add to that lot the likes of Nita Rossi, Stella Starr, Tim Tam...

This is from around spring 1978 and this must surely be the worst time for quality records in the history of the scene, I gave it 3 more months then just stopped going to Wigan, you can add to that lot the likes of Nita Rossi, Stella Starr, Tim Tam...

And Bobby Goldsboro . . .

muriel was irelands euro entry in 1969 with "wages of love". it came 7th and was issued in

the uk on CBS. CBS never kept the option on her so she signed to larry page`s PAGE ONE

label. they issued "optimistic fool" page one POF 151 in july 1969. the b side is nine times

out of ten.......................there thats me up to be shot at

dave

muriel was irelands euro entry in 1969 with "wages of love". it came 7th and was issued in

the uk on CBS. CBS never kept the option on her so she signed to larry page`s PAGE ONE

label. they issued "optimistic fool" page one POF 151 in july 1969. the b side is nine times

out of ten.......................there thats me up to be shot at

dave

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cheers dave,,just the info i was after,,thanks everyone...

popular in its day and the girlies still love it..lol

one of the reasons i stopped going!!!!

99.9% of dancers would have danced to it, me included, it was massive in it's time, you can't change history I'm afraid, and I still have it on Page One demo tucked away in my 60's girlie collection.

This is from around spring 1978 and this must surely be the worst time for quality records in the history of the scene, I gave it 3 more months then just stopped going to Wigan, you can add to that lot the likes of Nita Rossi, Stella Starr, Tim Tam...

Reading those playlists it really does look like Northern Soul had become a real divvy scene.

This is from around spring 1978 and this must surely be the worst time for quality records in the history of the scene, I gave it 3 more months then just stopped going to Wigan, you can add to that lot the likes of Nita Rossi, Stella Starr, Tim Tam...

This is exactly when I paid my first visit to Wigan aged 17 and for that reason, I'm afraid to say Muriel Day reminds me strongly of the casino

You're right in what you say Pete but as a casino virgin as it were I didnt see it like that at the time.

Fortunately mr Searling saved the day later that year and in 79 with some of the best new discoveries ever IMO

I think I've got the Coalville review in a fanzine from around that time

This is from around spring 1978 and this must surely be the worst time for quality records in the history of the scene, I gave it 3 more months then just stopped going to Wigan, you can add to that lot the likes of Nita Rossi, Stella Starr, Tim Tam...

You're right Pete, the worst ever time for sounds.

Funnily enough this was exactly the time I, and most people my age (i'm 41) got into Northern, right on the back of stuff like this played at the local youthclubs... Lost Summer Love, Coloured Man, Nine Times Out of Ten, On a Magic Carpet Ride, Ten Miles High, Ah-Soh-Lo-Ney, If You Loved Me, Nobody But Me, Lonely Man.. the list goes on

Imagine a playlist these days with all those on it and more. Would it attract youth in their droves? The funny thing is, it did in 1978. These sounds packed the floor locally and many people became regulars on the scene, becoming the new generation after Wigan closed and the Stafford crowd.

Maybe someone should consider an entire set like this to draw in the younger crowds again?

Edited May 4, 200718 yr by Matt Male

I never danced to this & neither did any of my mates. I did get up & dance to Joe 90 once but I thought it was something else, once I realised what it was I didn't know what would make me look the biggest idiot, sitting down again or carrying on.

lou pride is about the only decent thing on that playlist & by 1978, even that record was old hat. I remember feeling very disillusioned at this point, I kept going for about another 4 years, but spent most of my time in the lounge areas away from the music, sad.

lou pride is about the only decent thing on that playlist & by 1978, even that record was old hat. I remember feeling very disillusioned at this point, I kept going for about another 4 years, but spent most of my time in the lounge areas away from the music, sad.

I took to walking round the town all night before packing it in alltogether. I must admit though the music improved a great deal after I stopped going regularly.

At the time it was sort of alright..........its amazing how (well in my mind) it becomes a f***ing awful record...God i hate stuff like this.

Like I said you can't change history and you youngsters may not be into northern/rare soul music if it wasn't for the Casino and other northern venues of the early 70's, you would have just liked soul music of the day like Barry White/funk/disco because you wouldn't have been exposed to any items outside your local disco. Fact is these records made the scene, whatever your opinion of them and if you really think that bad records were not played in the Casino in the late years you're very wrong and have sellected memories. In fact bad records are still and have been played on the scene since the Casino, it's just that it's easy to have a pot at the main years of the scene and like JM has stated earlier it wasn't only the Casino, it was the scene in general that enjoyed these sounds for what they were in a time in our youth when perhaps we were a little nieve. You might have the numbers at an event like Prestatyn or King George's, but what you can't have today is the run to floor dance your heart out of youth when these tunes were played. I close my eyes and let my mind drift back to those days when I happen to hear one of those tune and I just wish I had a time machine just to experience it one more time, if you weren't there then you'll never understand.

It's abysmal and I danced to it but Ive heard worse r n b (so called) discoveries at the 100 club !!!

I can honestly say I never once danced to MD. I would also add that there were some brilliant records being played aswell, from memory (?) The Agents, The Delites, Lester Tipton, The New Wanderers, Idle Few, Betty Boo, The Generation, amongst others, it wasnt all doom & gloom & as already mentioned Richard, who was already doin the bizz, was about to bust the roof off, with the new generation of Northern sounds, the pre cursor to the underground sound of the 8ts.............as a newbie in '77, I was still thoroughly enjoying Wigans playlist on the whole & when I didnt like the DJ in the main room I was furthering my education in M's, listening to all the records from day's gone by, that were all newies to me at the time.

You guys must all remember some great sounds from this period aswell.........so come on you lot, lets see if you can be positive for once about the old place & post up some of the other great sounds, after all there was new stuff still being played week in & week out.

Russ

I took to walking round the town all night before packing it in alltogether. I must admit though the music improved a great deal after I stopped going regularly.

hey,get a life mate walking around all night at wigoon what was you on mate!!!,it was a great time in my life me and my mates loved every minute of our wigan experience do not knock it,the toons played at wigan were tunes of the times it evolved as time went by,do not knock the casino it was great times...

hey,get a life mate walking around all night at wigoon what was you on mate!!!,it was a great time in my life me and my mates loved every minute of our wigan experience do not knock it,the toons played at wigan were tunes of the times it evolved as time went by,do not knock the casino it was great times...

Couldnt agree more, there were tunes we didnt like at the time but if like me you were too niave and fresh to the whole Wigan thing to say so.I loved Wigan it was a magic time,back then at 16 or 17 i danced to every bloody thing the dj's played,even Muriel Day it's easy now in our middle age to reflect on how bad some of the tunes were,but as you say that's the way it was then and today is how it is now, long may it keep evolving.

hey,get a life mate walking around all night at wigoon what was you on mate!!!,it was a great time in my life me and my mates loved every minute of our wigan experience do not knock it,the toons played at wigan were tunes of the times it evolved as time went by,do not knock the casino it was great times...

I was on the same as most other people, except for the idiots who were barbed out of their minds.

It was a great time in my life as well, but I took it far too seriously & just could not cope with Murial Day, Judith Durham, Tony Blackburn & all those Casino Classics shite. The music might have been better at Yate in 78-79 but it can never mean as much to me as the Casino did.

..but can anyone tell me owt about her....

I can tell you she made a truly CRAP record. That's all I need to know about her...

lou pride is about the only decent thing on that playlist & by 1978, even that record was old hat. I remember feeling very disillusioned at this point...

and you can even cross out Lou Pride, as it was played by Blue Max in 1974!

"...you youngsters may not be into northern/rare soul music if it wasn't for the Casino and other northern venues of the early 70's, you would have just liked soul music of the day like Barry White/funk/disco..."

"it's easy to have a pot at the main years of the scene..."

"...if you weren't there then you'll never understand..."

Well I WAS there, and I'm afraid that some of us "understood" all too well what was going on at The Casino long before then. If what you state is true, then how come so many of us got into genuine Soul music long before Wigan even opened it's doors, or indeed before the Northern Scene had got fully underway? - and then, having done so, managed to avoid dancing to - let alone buying - awful pop records like Murial Day et.al. for so many years since?

Perhaps you can tell us why any younger fans of genuine Soul music SHOULD make allowances for the elevation of this pop crap just because it was embraced by some undiscerning punters at Wigan Casino? And for those who first "got into the scene" via these type of records I can only wonder whether they would have been better served listening to "...the soul music of the day". At least then they would have then encountered some aspects of black American music first hand, and perhaps come to "Northern" afterwards, (as many of us did in the early days), rather that encountering awful pop records such as Murial Day, Rain and the rest of the tripe being passed off as so-called "Northern Soul"

Edited May 5, 200718 yr by mel brat

Well I WAS there, and I'm afraid that some of us "understood" all too well what was going on at The Casino long before then. If what you state is true, then how come so many of us got into genuine Soul music long before Wigan even opened it's doors, or indeed before the Northern Scene had got fully underway? - and then, having done so, managed to avoid dancing to - let alone buying - awful pop records like Murial Day et.al. for so many years since?

Perhaps you can tell us why any younger fans of genuine Soul music SHOULD make allowances for the elevation of this pop crap just because it was embraced by some undiscerning punters at Wigan Casino? And for those who first "got into the scene" via these type of records I can only wonder whether they would have been better served listening to "...the soul music of the day". At least then they would have then encountered some aspects of black American music first hand, and perhaps come to "Northern" afterwards, (as many of us did in the early days), rather that encountering awful pop records such as Murial Day, Rain and the rest of the tripe being passed off as so-called "Northern Soul"

Rain was a Cleethorpes record before it was played at Wigan.

Russ

I never danced to this & neither did any of my mates. I did get up & dance to Joe 90 once but I thought it was something else, once I realised what it was I didn't know what would make me look the biggest idiot, sitting down again or carrying on.

You had mates? Where are they now, eh?

I can tell you she made a truly CRAP record. That's all I need to know about her...

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yes mel,,but 100's of dancers disagreed with you!

couldnt have been a huge record for nothing could it..

appreciate your point of view however one sided it is..

nine times out of ten,,,iconic northern soul spin from the 70s...

sung by muriel day,,im thinking obviously white..but can anyone tell me owt about her....

background etc....

and who'll admit to dancing to it at wigan???

(no you dont have to answer that one)

Mark. Nine times out of ten. She got it right

steve

Well I WAS there, and I'm afraid that some of us "understood" all too well what was going on at The Casino long before then. If what you state is true, then how come so many of us got into genuine Soul music long before Wigan even opened it's doors, or indeed before the Northern Scene had got fully underway? - and then, having done so, managed to avoid dancing to - let alone buying - awful pop records like Murial Day et.al. for so many years since?

Perhaps you can tell us why any younger fans of genuine Soul music SHOULD make allowances for the elevation of this pop crap just because it was embraced by some undiscerning punters at Wigan Casino? And for those who first "got into the scene" via these type of records I can only wonder whether they would have been better served listening to "...the soul music of the day". At least then they would have then encountered some aspects of black American music first hand, and perhaps come to "Northern" afterwards, (as many of us did in the early days), rather that encountering awful pop records such as Murial Day, Rain and the rest of the tripe being passed off as so-called "Northern Soul"

The pop stuff didn't start with Wigan, Frankie Valli, Wayne Fontana, and 100's of other UK cover versions have been part of the scene way back to those early days of the 60's, and are still are to this day, just check out some of the rare blue eyed discs we chase.

The pop stuff didn't start with Wigan, Frankie Valli, Wayne Fontana, and 100's of other UK cover versions have been part of the scene way back to those early days of the 60's, and are still are to this day, just check out some of the rare blue eyed discs we chase.

Acknowledged - the pop stuff did not start with Wigan ; but they force fed the scene with it .....

" NTOOT " was a record of it's time , and should remain so ......

If we a re discussing pop records that have graced the scene , I just thought I would name drop on a Saturday afternoon ......

The nephew of my Mum's best friend , My aunty Alice ( I know she's not my real aunty .... ) is

Bobby " You're Ready Now " Bennett ....

Malc Burton

Edited May 5, 200718 yr by Malc Burton

Acknowledged - the pop stuff did not start with Wigan ; but they force fed the scene with it .....

" NTOOT " was a record of it's time , and should remain so ......

If we a re discussing pop records that have graced the scene , I just thought I would name drop on a Saturday afternoon ......

The nephew of my Mum's best friend , My aunty Alice ( I know she's not my real aunty .... ) is

Bobby " You're Ready Now " Bennett ....

Malc Burton

Used to have a Decca test press.

Used to have a Decca test press.

MD or BB ?

Malc Burton

MD or BB ?

Malc Burton

BB.

BB.

Interesting .......

I thought it was released on Columbia ......

Was it rejected by Decca ?

Alas . like MD , BB's version of " YRN " , is very much a record of it's time .....

Malc Burton

Interesting .......

I thought it was released on Columbia ......

Was it rejected by Decca ?

Alas . like MD , BB's version of " YRN " , is very much a record of it's time .....

Malc Burton

Sorry Malc,dont know where me head is.............it was "picture me gone" uk white test.

Sorry Malc,dont know where me head is.............it was "picture me gone" uk white test.

Nay worries , mate ......

Put it down to a senior moment .......

In my opinion , a test pressing of " PMG " is infinately preferable than that of " YRN " ......

Met BB once at my aunty alice's sister's house in Blackpool ; nice chap , but as for the record ......

Malc Burton

You had mates? Where are they now, eh?

What's that supposed to mean ?

Some are still on the scene, some are not and sadly some are dead.

I can honestly say I never once danced to MD. I would also add that there were some brilliant records being played aswell, from memory (?) The Agents, The Delites, Lester Tipton, The New Wanderers, Idle Few, Betty Boo, The Generation, amongst others

No Russ, this predates all of those except Idle Few which booted in early 76 and Betty Boo which was played about 2 months after Muriel Day but the rest came the following year

and you can even cross out Lou Pride, as it was played by Blue Max in 1974!

I was wondering why it made the playlist as it was huge in 74-75 then the reissue killed it, must have been one of those records that got a revival (hence the weird white Suemi bootlegs)

Well I WAS there, and I'm afraid that some of us "understood" all too well what was going on at The Casino long before then. If what you state is true, then how come so many of us got into genuine Soul music long before Wigan even opened it's doors, or indeed before the Northern Scene had got fully underway? - and then, having done so, managed to avoid dancing to - let alone buying - awful pop records like Murial Day et.al. for so many years since?

Perhaps you can tell us why any younger fans of genuine Soul music SHOULD make allowances for the elevation of this pop crap just because it was embraced by some undiscerning punters at Wigan Casino? And for those who first "got into the scene" via these type of records I can only wonder whether they would have been better served listening to "...the soul music of the day". At least then they would have then encountered some aspects of black American music first hand, and perhaps come to "Northern" afterwards, (as many of us did in the early days), rather that encountering awful pop records such as Murial Day, Rain and the rest of the tripe being passed off as so-called "Northern Soul"

Rain's a great record. Or rather it sounded great blasted out loud at Wigan. I've still got a copy. And do us a favour, remove the blinkers when it comes to Wigan and pop cos you know these records were played in every club in the Uk oh except for the Mecca which was simply playing disco music by then.

Sorry Malc,dont know where me head is.............it was "picture me gone" uk white test.

Except thats by dave berry

You're right Pete, the worst ever time for sounds.

Funnily enough this was exactly the time I, and most people my age (i'm 41) got into Northern, right on the back of stuff like this played at the local youthclubs... Lost Summer Love, Coloured Man, Nine Times Out of Ten, On a Magic Carpet Ride, Ten Miles High, Ah-Soh-Lo-Ney, If You Loved Me, Nobody But Me, Lonely Man.. the list goes on

Imagine a playlist these days with all those on it and more. Would it attract youth in their droves? The funny thing is, it did in 1978. These sounds packed the floor locally and many people became regulars on the scene, becoming the new generation after Wigan closed and the Stafford crowd.

Maybe someone should consider an entire set like this to draw in the younger crowds again?

The thing is, Ten Miles High(as was Superlove) were never really big at Wigan, they were Mecca Sounds in 73/74. Hey Sah Lo Ney, was a Wheel Sound from late 60s, as was Nobody but me. Lonely man was massive at Wigan as a Cover up in Summer 74 as the Detroit Shakers. so the fact they were all youth club sounds was OK. They were all not cutting edge Wigan!

Paul

Why doesn't everyone realise that there was crap played then, and there is crap played now, but to someone it is magic!

This is from around spring 1978 and this must surely be the worst time for quality records in the history of the scene, I gave it 3 more months then just stopped going to Wigan, you can add to that lot the likes of Nita Rossi, Stella Starr, Tim Tam...

hello pete,this was about the time circa 78/79ish i left the scene got married etc tunes as above plus stuff like the sharonettes going to a go go sort of peed me off,like an ian latrine but a mid 70s jobby reversal job,back to the awful muriel day i can only find two 45s released by this lady,1969,cbs 4115 the wages of love/thinking of you.and 1969,page one pof 151,optimistic fool/nine times out of ten..soulie55