Posted March 1, 200520 yr Whats the verdict on DJ's playing newly cut acetates from unreleased tracks on CD, should it be allowed
March 1, 200520 yr F@@@ me Pete, that was quick!! link I know, I was just about to go and make some tea and I thought I'd just click 'view new posts' and there it was!
March 1, 200520 yr Defo! If a few more venues had CD decks as well there would be no need to cut the acetates :-)
March 1, 200520 yr Defo! If a few more venues had CD decks as well there would be no need to cut the acetates :-) link A record is a record - a cd is a cd - there's no comparison....even one of those horrible 70's and 80's style plastic injection-moulded label 45's is better than a cd, aesthetically I mean
March 1, 200520 yr A record is a record - a cd is a cd - there's no comparison....even one of those horrible 70's and 80's style plastic injection-moulded label 45's is better than a cd, aesthetically I mean link Defo agree Pete
March 1, 200520 yr Whats the verdict on DJ's playing newly cut acetates from unreleased tracks on CD, should it be allowed link Allowed by who??? Roger
March 1, 200520 yr Allowed by who??? Roger link Well without stirring it up, i've seen first hand use of this by some well known DJ's, who by the way will remain nameless
March 1, 200520 yr Well without stirring it up, i've seen first hand use of this by some well known DJ's, who by the way will remain nameless link PS, I don't have a problem with it personally
March 1, 200520 yr Well without stirring it up, i've seen first hand use of this by some well known DJ's, who by the way will remain nameless link Why not name them, I hate it when people are prepared to say something but not name names, why bother saying it in the first place?
March 1, 200520 yr Why not name them, I hate it when people are prepared to say something but not name names, why bother saying it in the first place? link fight , fight........
March 1, 200520 yr If it's an unreleased track don't see why not (as long as they seek permission from the cd producer IMHO), how else you supposed to hear it played out.
March 1, 200520 yr Why not name them, I hate it when people are prepared to say something but not name names, why bother saying it in the first place? link Well Karen as i've already stated, i've no intention of stirring it up, just telling the truth
March 1, 200520 yr Well Karen as i've already stated, i've no intention of stirring it up, just telling the truth link Thats as may be but it seems pointless to me to say something unless you are prepared to back it up with names, not being funny or anything but I don't see the point of mentioning it in the first place
March 1, 200520 yr Thats as may be but it seems pointless to me to say something unless you are prepared to back it up with names, not being funny or anything but I don't see the point of mentioning it in the first place link Just trying to get the point over that one, I do not have a problem with it and two, it does happen, but has only started recently, sorry if i've upset you not naming but i'm sure our dj friends out there know who i'm talking about, in any case i'm not gonna be dragged into a war of words with you on it i just want people to air their thoughts
March 1, 200520 yr Thats as may be but it seems pointless to me to say something unless you are prepared to back it up with names, not being funny or anything but I don't see the point of mentioning it in the first place link Soul Sam has done it for years with newer release tracks yet he'll see fit to kick off in print about people playing from CDR's. Always puzzled me, that one. This is a bollocks argument now and it always has been for the 25 million times it's been massdebated. Whichever side you're on you'll never change your opinion and view of it and it'll always be an argument between those with common sense and a perception of reality and those who say it's only originals that should be played. Cheers Roger
March 1, 200520 yr Just trying to get the point over that one, I do not have a problem with it and two, it does happen, but has only started recently, sorry if i've upset you not naming but i'm sure our dj friends out there know who i'm talking about, in any case i'm not gonna be dragged into a war of words with you on it i just want people to air their thoughts link As I get the blame for everything else that goes on, you might as well name me as one of the people, I can take it
March 1, 200520 yr Thats as may be but it seems pointless to me to say something unless you are prepared to back it up with names, not being funny or anything but I don't see the point of mentioning it in the first place link Get back over your own side
March 1, 200520 yr well as long as no legit studio acetate exists then go for it ...i done it myself a couple of weeks ago with tammi terrell and i have no fear in naming myself so there Davie
March 1, 200520 yr Get back over your own side link Seemed to work pete, she's gone.........I'm off now too, Bye
March 1, 200520 yr I really have no side in this, just reading the thread, not that bothered myself, I just don't like threads of any sort where people say things like 'big name DJ's' etc.. without saying who Best get back to the sensible side now
March 1, 200520 yr Allowed by who??? Roger link Roger, You mean you don't know? Why the Soul police of course! You know the ones that no f*** all and started watching horror movies at 3 years old.
March 1, 200520 yr Roger, Â Â Â Â You mean you don't know? Why the Soul police of course! You know the ones that no f*** all and started watching horror movies at 3 years old. link i don't get the relevance kev with the horror thing Davie
March 1, 200520 yr A record is a record - a cd is a cd - there's no comparison....even one of those horrible 70's and 80's style plastic injection-moulded label 45's is better than a cd, aesthetically I mean link Agree with you Pete - sexy black vinyl for me everytime, preferably in the form of a tight dress and thigh boots and on the missus No, if it's not available on vinyl then a CD is fine, doesn't look as sexy but it's the music that is all important. Edited March 1, 200520 yr by TheBigO
March 1, 200520 yr If you hold the opinion that only The original record will do and playing CDRs is a no no then you carnt go around playing bootleg records even if you are Soul Sam why not play the orignal CD ?? Acetates are for us mere mortals who like a record and cannot strech to buying originals They are for playing at home not for a DJ to play out. If a DJ aint got it or carnt afford it then hey theres no shame in that. If acetates are OK then why are boots not ??
March 1, 200520 yr but it's the music that is all important. At last a voice of reason Pete link If its only the music why dont we all go to a venue and jut listen to some hired dj playing cds its the same sound coming out the speakers, No theres more to it then that, the fact that a dj has spent hard earned cash to obtain there records, record collectons take years to accumalte , the knowledge it takes to get a box full of originals to play all adds to it
March 1, 200520 yr If acetates are OK then why are boots not ?? link Because the simple reason that if a record is unissued and exists on studio tape only then the only way you are gonna get to hear it is via CD or a cut. Boot legs usually exist on an origianl 45 or original studio acetate etc etc ...........
March 1, 200520 yr Whats the verdict on DJ's playing newly cut acetates from unreleased tracks on CD, should it be allowed link If its unreleased. Yes imo. I know Ady doesnt have a problem for unissued stuff out on Kent cd's to be cut - long as he hasnt/or had a single planned of it
March 1, 200520 yr If its unreleased. Yes imo. I know Ady doesnt have a problem for unissued stuff out on Kent cd's to be cut - long as he hasnt/or had a single planned of it link =========== ive got quite a few acetates mainly stuff that i cant get or are out of my price range... i play them when i want but theres lots i havent played out but a few i would if i was asked to if u cant beat em join em .......
March 1, 200520 yr If it's an unreleased track don't see why not (as long as they seek permission from the cd producer IMHO), how else you supposed to hear it played out. link Exactly right, wise words from Chalky. If a dj goes to the vault and discovers something original - master tape etc. Cut's an acetate, with permission. that's 'our' discovery and has every right to be played. Was Melba Moore's Magic touch ever issued? Can't recall.
March 1, 200520 yr why go to all the hassle of cutting a emidisc - all decent venues should have a cd player wired into the mixer anyway
March 1, 200520 yr Well without stirring it up, i've seen first hand use of this by some well known DJ's, who by the way will remain nameless link Like Sam you mean - I always remember him burning a cut off the Corey Glover album and and sticking a label on it? Whats the point - the lads were playing it at Arties Mill for eons on CD before his illateral thinking kicked in
March 1, 200520 yr why go to all the hassle of cutting a emidisc - all decent venues should have a cd player wired into the mixer anyway link As Pete-S said earlier - asthetics. Cd's smacks a bit chancer-ish. Wandering around on the stage witha 7" vinyl disc - nicely reassuring ...
March 1, 200520 yr  Wandering around on the stage witha 7" vinyl disc - nicely reassuring ... link Nice to pretend that you have got a rare record, just to keep up appearances....... WOOF!
March 1, 200520 yr Nice to pretend that you have got a rare record, just to keep up appearances....... WOOF! link Yeah to some degree. Depends on what's said, "ere we go with an unissued masterpiece".... Honest. To say nothing? Thats another matter
March 2, 200520 yr ....surely there is enough authentic original releases to go through? Whether it's a monster rarity or a £5 tune. Can't really see the difference between a pressing or an acetate, whether it's unreleased or not. Like having a photocopy of a penny black stamp.....or a photocopy of the original artwork for the Penny Black, that was discarded in favour of the one used. Still only photocopies...... Bit deep that, even for me.....think I need my bed.... Regards, Mace.
March 2, 200520 yr ....surely there is enough authentic original releases to go through? Whether it's a monster rarity or a £5 tune. Can't really see the difference between a pressing or an acetate, whether it's unreleased or not. Like having a photocopy of a penny black stamp.....or a photocopy of the original artwork for the Penny Black, that was discarded in favour of the one used. Still only photocopies...... Bit deep that, even for me.....think I need my bed.... Regards, Mace. link Ha ha, class Time to turn, indeed. Do think the dj playing the unissued acetate is exciting and indeed - all part of it .
March 2, 200520 yr Ha ha, class  Time to turn, indeed. Do think the dj playing the unissued acetate is exciting and indeed - all part of it . link Sorry Ian - might be that I'm tired...but you've lost me there Regards, Mace.
March 2, 200520 yr Sorry Ian - might be that I'm tired...but you've lost me there Regards, Mace. link If something NEW is discovered and broken for the first time and it's good . . . with me?
March 2, 200520 yr Well without stirring it up, i've seen first hand use of this by some well known DJ's, who by the way will remain nameless link Whats with all the ninjas and "remain nameless" bits ?? If a dj plays a dub of a unreleased cd only track out and about, then they're not really trying that hard to hide the fact they are playing it are they, be a bit hard as doing it in public eh ?? They must have no problem with doing it, so why try and make it into some big secret "no names" thing, if they wanted it a secret then they wouldnt have played it would they ? You say have no problem with it and dont wanna stir, but way you posted and made it out to be some big thing, you doing just that
March 2, 200520 yr Agree with you Pete - sexy black vinyl for me everytime, preferably in the form of a tight dress and thigh boots and on the missus No, if it's not available on vinyl then a CD is fine, doesn't look as sexy but it's the music that is all important. link I really can't get my head around accepting C.D's.......I kind of understand where your coming from but, maybe i'm a dinosaur, it's got to be vinyl for me, I would never knowingly attend a venue that plays c.d's. however I do realise that not everyone is of the same opinion.
March 2, 200520 yr I think the difference between a boot and an acetate is that an acetate is a little more personal. You choose "your" tracks for "your" disc. Seems abnormal, but most soul DJ's & collecters ain't normal. Some things are just ritualistic, even if it seems backward or even plain retarded, it gives you a good feeling. Just draw your own line, and let others make theirs. Life's pretty simple when you just worry about yourself....really!
March 2, 200520 yr Because the simple reason that if a record is unissued and exists on studio tape only then the only way you are gonna get to hear it is via CD or a cut. Boot legs usually exist on an origianl 45 or original studio acetate etc etc ........... link A boots a boot what ever name you call it As a matter of intrest how many records are on a master tape only? If they are on tape only why not get them on a legal release so some one gets the royalties, there is plenty of record comps that do this legaly so the cost would not be astronomical , you just need the will to do it
March 3, 200520 yr Whats with all the ninjas and "remain nameless" bits ?? If a dj plays a dub of a unreleased cd only track out and about, then they're not really trying that hard to hide the fact they are playing it are they, be a bit hard as doing it in public eh ?? They must have no problem with doing it, so why try and make it into some big secret "no names" thing, if they wanted it a secret then they wouldnt have played it would they ? You say have no problem with it and dont wanna stir, but way you posted and made it out to be some big thing, you doing just that link No not really Mike, I honestly thought that some of the people who replied were taken aback with me saying that i'd seen dj's playing them, ain't no big thing to me, sorry if came out that way, really wish i'd stuck in at school ect ect
March 4, 200520 yr Some wierd veiws out there, some interesting bits though. Soul police-now there is a thought, but are we not self-policing? D.J's are booked on their own merits, their reputations or maybe their "share a venue " influences etc (their ability to stage a venue, book certain D.J's and guarantee an away match when the said D.J hold his or her venue((old boy network)). Maybe promoters could police this? By playing these unreleased tracks cut off C.D's is to take that the C.D in question is released and available to all? In that circumstance then it cannot be acceptable as its really what the scenes political standpoint has been against on the whole. D.J's like The Barnfather have been cutting dubs for as long as I can remember, some 35 years. In certain cases, ease of use, protection of particular venerable vinyl seems slighty more acceptable, but still the matter of policing that comes into play would be enough to do anyones head. Playing of tracks that are off pre-released C.D's is a matter of promotion at the end of the day and must be counted in its own merits as to the person playing said track and or relationship of those parties. This kettle of fish can be taken either way. Conspiracy? Promotion? or just plain getting the public at large to hear a track that fits the pattern in a way that dance floor reaction demands? For me the above would just be a matter of promoting ones own interests, in whatever guise it presents itself. I'm against this practise full stop. I collect vinyl on the strength of first auditions, usually at a venue, and feel mistreated when discovering the said track not available. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF RECORDS OUT THERE THAT FIT THE BILL, AND MAYBE AVAILABLE, if only in small numbers, these should be played in preference. Or ive such a brilliant set of records to play you should BOOK me now!
Whats the verdict on DJ's playing newly cut acetates from unreleased tracks on CD, should it be allowed