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There aren't orig dj copies looking like this are there? Happy to be corrected and learn? Dean

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There aren't orig dj copies looking like this are there? Happy to be corrected and learn? Dean

I wouldnt buy it for a tenner,shockin`.

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There aren't orig dj copies looking like this are there? Happy to be corrected and learn? Dean

Nah...100% boot - and look at the price

Nah...100% boot - and look at the price

How do folks get what they get for shite boots like this seen that jokers name on the record on here

sounds off centre to me, a bit warped and slow. I'd bid a quid

looks like that dodgy geezer Steve M once owned it though is he the seller

looks like that dodgy geezer Steve M once owned it though is he the seller

£81 at the moment, got to be one of the worst bootleg pressings out there for sound quality !!!

Nah...100% boot - and look at the price

Seems that "Steve M(annion)" owned it at one point so I reckon it's "real" ....

Only kidding Steve ....

looks like that dodgy geezer Steve M once owned it though is he the seller

Seems that "Steve M(annion)" owned it at one point so I reckon it's "real" ....

Only kidding Steve ....

You beat me to it Bearsy.... reckon I should read the whole thread before replying in the future ....

threlfall980 did this guy just by this, stange he don't know his elbow from his boots.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=012

threlfall980 did this guy just by this, stange he don't know his elbow from his boots.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=012

Youve lost me!!,thats not hard tho`......whats up wi`it lad

Click on the link Kenny me ole mucker.

Arse Elbow?

Edited January 11, 200817 yr by Prophonics 2029

Click on the link Kenny me ole mucker.

Arse Elbow?

Have done,perfectly kosher Shrine thingy Tone are you saying different

This is a 70's boot alright....

Another punter who's going to show his collector mates his 'rare' ebay

acquisition only for there to be embarrasing silence and the nodding of

heads.

What p*sses me off mostly about this is the fact that some of these

ebay sellers believe they are selling the real article or have they also been

conned in the past when they bought these 'originals'.

I have sometimes contacted sellers like this in similar situations and giving

them the benefit of the doubt, have informed them as to wether they were

aware that the record they were selling was a boot and sadly a majority

of the time I've been told to mind my own business. This is really frustrating

because you know some unfortunate is eventually going to be very dissapointed

as in this case.

Records I've seen for sale as 'originals' like this that I can remember :-

John & the Wierdest (not correct deadwax markings)

Gloria Jones - Tainted Love WDJ Styrene copy (but did not have promotion copy not for sale on label)

The Ellingtons (Castle label silver with blue text)

Judy street (styrene)

Luther Ingram (HIB orange 70's re-release)

Connie Clark (Styrene but with a lighter yellow paper label and much wider deadwax runout area)

Candi Staton (Unity not correct deadwax markings)

Tomangoes (Styrene) and (70's Vinyl with no nashville matrix)

Trips (Soulville not correct deadwax markings)

and the list goes on...

You can even see some of these blunders if you look in 'Popsike'

Have done,perfectly kosher Shrine thingy Tone are you saying different

The guy won Billy Arnel & the Shrine record so don't he know Billy is a boot so don't he know his arse from his elbow..

Are you with me.

The guy won Billy Arnel & the Shrine record so don't he know Billy is a boot so don't he know his arse from his elbow..

Are you with me.

Oh!!with ya`yes doh!!

Misguided, naive or conned, defo conned and if I was the buyer I would be asking for a refund as it is an obvious BOOT and the seller listed it as an original, how can these ebay sellers get away with it? lack of knowledge or out and out conman? slightly off topic but the same applies to people selling vinyl carvers of rare original records they are just taking the piss and should be banned from ebay but there is also some gullible fools who will buy them..

Rant Over

Steve

i'm kinda of the opinion that if these buyers are dumb enough to spend big money without the knowledge to back it up then they deserve to get ripped off.Dont get me wrong,the seller is way out of line listing it as an original..But buyers SHOULD KNOW!

This is a 70's boot alright....

Another punter who's going to show his collector mates his 'rare' ebay

acquisition only for there to be embarrasing silence and the nodding of

heads.

What p*sses me off mostly about this is the fact that some of these

ebay sellers believe they are selling the real article or have they also been

conned in the past when they bought these 'originals'.

I have sometimes contacted sellers like this in similar situations and giving

them the benefit of the doubt, have informed them as to wether they were

aware that the record they were selling was a boot and sadly a majority

of the time I've been told to mind my own business. This is really frustrating

because you know some unfortunate is eventually going to be very dissapointed

as in this case.

Records I've seen for sale as 'originals' like this that I can remember :-

John & the Wierdest (not correct deadwax markings)

Gloria Jones - Tainted Love WDJ Styrene copy (but did not have promotion copy not for sale on label)

The Ellingtons (Castle label silver with blue text)

Judy street (styrene)

Luther Ingram (HIB orange 70's re-release)

Connie Clark (Styrene but with a lighter yellow paper label and much wider deadwax runout area)

Candi Staton (Unity not correct deadwax markings)

Tomangoes (Styrene) and (70's Vinyl with no nashville matrix)

Trips (Soulville not correct deadwax markings)

and the list goes on...

You can even see some of these blunders if you look in 'Popsike'

I think with some there's room for doubt, John & Weirdest for example, some boots of this don't you have to hold 'em up to the light to check the colour opaque. I've been caught out in the past and was very thankful to rivolino2 for an email once. I watched a Johnny Hampton - Not MY Girl go through a few days ago for about £150 - £160, wasn't sure about that either, either a bargain or someone ripped off. I don't recall that one claiming to be an orig which this one boldly did, and the Johnny Hampton was listed as the other side which I think raises suspicion like -"oh I don't know what I'm selling". I was initially curious because this appeared obvious and wondered if I was missing something. I did send a message to the high bidder with about an hour to go out of compasion but didn't hear anything. I know it's not unusual but there does seem to be more money than sense. I'm off to get that box of 70's boots from under the bed now. Dean

The seller is in the U.S. so there's every chance he's unaware of what an original looks like...

If they don't have the boot guide, and only have Manships price guide to guage prices by then they are bound to make mistakes.

I saw that Hampton 45 and did wonder why it wasn't attracting higher bids so I assumed that some guys had contacted seller and requested matrix details to confirm "Nashville" stamp or absence thereof.There was this identical bootleg going around at one time so hard to tell from the picture if original but it does look like mine [with the Nashville stamp] and I got my copy from N.C too on a buying trip years ago.

Someone may have got a bargain if everybody was like me and couldn't be arsed to contact seller.

ROD

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There aren't orig dj copies looking like this are there? Happy to be corrected and learn? Dean

https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?...nr=300054591075

Look what the seller stated about this ! has anyone got a scan of a real demo?

This guy states the matrix is correct.......genuine original......

And no I was not the buyer before any wize cracks

Edited January 13, 200817 yr by mossy

https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildatar.php...nr=300054591075

Look what the seller stated about this ! has anyone got a scan of a real demo?

This guy states the matrix is correct.......genuine original......

And no I was not the buyer before any wize cracks

Mossy,that link don't work mate

Mossy,that link don't work mate

Works here,goes to Popsike

Works here,goes to Popsike

Yeah,that's right but goes to member's rating page,what record are we looking for?,ta.

Yeah,that's right but goes to member's rating page,what record are we looking for?,ta.

hang on.........

try this https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?...nr=300054591075

he reckons its real.............. so it MUST be

LET ME STRESS THAT THIS IS NOT A RE-PRESS OR BOOTLEG - IT HAS ALL THE STAMPS NEEDED TO PROVE THIS!!! This ORIGINAL US PROMO 7"

Edited January 13, 200817 yr by mossy

hang on.........

try this https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?...nr=300054591075

he reckons its real.............. so it MUST be

LET ME STRESS THAT THIS IS NOT A RE-PRESS OR BOOTLEG - IT HAS ALL THE STAMPS NEEDED TO PROVE THIS!!! This ORIGINAL US PROMO 7"

POSTAGE STAMPS I PRESUME

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There aren't orig dj copies looking like this are there? Happy to be corrected and learn? Dean

I know the buyer and can't believe he bought this. Mind you he may have checked on posike first

A man of impecable taste and a lot of knowledge made a simple (though costly) mistake I think.

The Original can be seen on John's Rarest of the Rare site.