Frankie Beverly - If That's What You Wanted - Sassy issue

Sassy s -1002 A - 2

Even though this matrix number is scratched in it's an original isn't it?

Should have a Frankford/Wayne stamp ?

Cheers Paul

Frankie Beverly - If That's What You Wanted - Sassy issue

Sassy s -1002 A - 2

Even though this matrix number is scratched in it's an original isn't it?

hi matt- im sure it has not been booted on sassy i know that the white demo has frankford and wayne stamped in the run out groove not sure if the red issue has this on also never had one anybody else got some info on this im sure yours is original

Should have a Frankford/Wayne stamp ?

Cheers Paul

yup, agree, tho the matrix is indeed scratched it is also stamped with the full Frankford / Wayne stamp

steve

Frankie Beverly - If That's What You Wanted - Sassy issue

Sassy s -1002 A - 2

Even though this matrix number is scratched in it's an original isn't it?

Yes it is Matt, number is scratched in, then there's an F/W scratched in, then a proper Frankford/Wayne stamp

Yes it is Matt, number is scratched in, then there's an F/W scratched in, then a proper Frankford/Wayne stamp

F/W only scratched on "Love Your Pain Goes Deep" side, cant see it on ITWYW side, wonder if it's different on the one with "Just Another B Side"

steve

Yes it is Matt, number is scratched in, then there's an F/W scratched in, then a proper Frankford/Wayne stamp

Yes there's a scratched F/W as well but no F/W stamp. I'm assuming only the demo has the stamp then? Just want to be sure before i try and sell it.

Here's a couple of scans.

F/W only scratched on "Love Your Pain Goes Deep" side, cant see it on ITWYW side, wonder if it's different on the one with "Just Another B Side"

steve

Ah that's it then, i've got the issue with 'Just another B side' F/W scratched on both sides.

Here`s my copy,it has the F/W stamp on both sides,

also if you notice on my copy it says "S-1002-B"

on your copy it says "S-1002-A-2" which is strange,i brought this mid to late 70s

off Soul Bowl for £7 .

Dave f...........

I gave this away with a load of boots in early 80's as always thought this was a boot then. OUCH!!!

I gave this away with a load of boots in early 80's as always thought this was a boot then. OUCH!!!

Wish It Was Me You Had Given It To Jock

Hope You Are Well Mate

BEST

Bully

I gave this away with a load of boots in early 80's as always thought this was a boot then. OUCH!!!

If memory serves I don't think it was ever booted on Sassy.

I gave this away with a load of boots in early 80's as always thought this was a boot then. OUCH!!!

Hi Jock,we have all done things like that Mate ,

only kept hold of mine for the flip "Love (your pain goes deeper)"

a great Slab of Soul,take it easy fella

Dave f..........

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by Dave Fleming

If memory serves I don't think it was ever booted on Sassy.

Your right,it was booted on "Liberty Bell" and "Out of The Past"

Dave f..........

one of the first records i brought over 25 years ago , a white demo - it left me skint for the rest of the week great oldie

Your right,it was booted on "Liberty Bell" and "Out of The Past"

Dave f..........

Thanks Dave.

No reference books here but could never remember a Sassy boot.

Some talk when Neil R found literally 1000's but they were all orig.

Tabs

Thanks everyone.

Dave i think the differences in matrix numbers are because there seem to be two different issues, mine has 'This is Just a B side' on the flip.

Safe to stick on ebay then.

Just checked and its got FW and FFW stamp on the B-side on LYPGD S-1002-A solves my Coconut Groove Prohonics question they have the FW as well.

Thanks everyone.

Dave i think the differences in matrix numbers are because there seem to be two different issues, mine has 'This is Just a B side' on the flip.

Safe to stick on ebay then.

matt to save you the hassle puttin it on ebay ill offer you £50 NOTES FOR IT MATE

Thanks everyone.

Dave i think the differences in matrix numbers are because there seem to be two different issues, mine has 'This is Just a B side' on the flip.

Safe to stick on ebay then.

What's the B-side like Matt any good.

What's the B-side like Matt any good.

A sort of mid-tempo funky instrumental. Not bad, but would be better than ITWYW if it had a vocal attached i reckon.

A sort of mid-tempo funky instrumental. Not bad, but would be better than ITWYW if it had a vocal attached i reckon.

An instrumental who velly intelesting its got to be LYPGD for me bought the record by accident thinking it was the rare one Doh

Ah that's it then, i've got the issue with 'Just another B side' F/W scratched on both sides.

Yes, I have the one with "Just Another B Side" Bought from Soul Bowl.

I'm certain that It has scratched Matrix both sides. F/W etc

my red issue has got sassy 1002b scratched on if thats what you wanted side with a full frank/wanford stamp on both sides if that helps.

Your right,it was booted on "Liberty Bell" and "Out of The Past"

Dave f..........

...and the copies on Sassy hadn't been discovered then (late 1973). Neil Rushton got the first Sassy copies directly from Billy Jackson C.1977/8.

...and the copies on Sassy hadn't been discovered then (late 1973). Neil Rushton got the first Sassy copies directly from Billy Jackson C.1977/8.

I had my Sassy copy about 2 or 3 years before Neil turned up shed loads.

Mine was frankford/ wayne stamped.

I had my Sassy copy about 2 or 3 years before Neil turned up shed loads.

Mine was frankford/ wayne stamped.

Ok, Right. But my main point was that it wouldn't have been booted on SASSY in 1973, as the bootleggers weren't aware of them, hence the facsimile 'Liberty Bell' copies.

Ok, Right. But my main point was that it wouldn't have been booted on SASSY in 1973, as the bootleggers weren't aware of them, hence the facsimile 'Liberty Bell' copies.

First time I saw a Sassy copy was at the Raven in '73 Sam played it , Later my mate Kevin bought a copy on Gamble so we all thought that the Sassy copirs were boots, Liberty Belle is the publishing company?

First time I saw a Sassy copy was at the Raven in '73 Sam played it , Later my mate Kevin bought a copy on Gamble so we all thought that the Sassy copirs were boots, Liberty Belle is the publishing company?

Another Frank Beverly an Butlers release "She Tried To Kiss Me" came out on Liberty Bell which was the lable not a publishing co.

steve

First time I saw a Sassy copy was at the Raven in '73 Sam played it , Later my mate Kevin bought a copy on Gamble so we all thought that the Sassy copirs were boots, Liberty Belle is the publishing company?

Apologies, I wasn't aware the Sassy copies were around so early on! (Ya' live and learn!)

It was common practice for bootleggers to mock-up a plausible "local label" facsimile in those days in an effort to fool the unwary - and they're still at it.

I used to have "She Tried To Kiss Me" - credited to just the Butlers I think - on Liberty Bell. Black label with silver type if memory serves(?)

I had my Sassy copy about 2 or 3 years before Neil turned up shed loads.

Mine was frankford/ wayne stamped.

Same here.

Ian D

i payed 5p for a copy of the above record from a charity shop to do with saving seals in gt yarmouth in the mid 80s just dont find them little touches anymore

i payed 5p for a copy of the above record from a charity shop to do with saving seals in gt yarmouth in the mid 80s just dont find them little touches anymore

Tch! - just find endless copies of Ken Dodd's "Tears" n' stuff in charity shops 'round here!

I had my Sassy copy about 2 or 3 years before Neil turned up shed loads.

Mine was frankford/ wayne stamped.

Sassy copies around before I found a load (800 plus) at Billy Jackson's flat in New York, but I think I was the first to find any white demos and flip side with "This Is Just A B Side".

Billy said he never distributed them because he did a deal with Gamble-Huff soon after pressing up the Sassy copies.

Neil