Just a Question on something thats been puzzling me for awhile...

As a record collector the most ive ever paid for a record is £150...and I baulked at that to be honest...but in the Northern Soul scene thats an average price...

So my question is...how the hell do you all afford to spend between £100-5000 on a record?!?

You are mostly older and therefore must have families to support so I just dont get where the income comes from...

Are you all Drug Dealers?

Im on a very decent wage in my job and have no debt or baggage but I would still find it impossible to come up with that kind of cash on a regular basis...

So unless you are premiership footballers and noone told me...how do you raise the cash?

Do you all buy and sell the records? Did you have some gems bought cheap from back in the day and just trade them to buy others?

Id be very interested to know

You know what they say, there's money in muck!!!

I had a big collection of deep house and garage, i've had no problems selling, giving away and donating these, there's still a big market. The funds i made went towards buying more soul records. Happy days!!

gary

Dont know where you're selling them...ive been on e-bay and seen entire collections go for pennies...im not going to do that...even if I painfully had to sell every record for a pound a go at car boots ill make more money

So Whats the stigma attached to re-issues? same record...usually same quality...why the snobbery? Bootlegs I can understand...but re-issues?

Dont know where you're selling them...ive been on e-bay and seen entire collections go for pennies...im not going to do that...even if I painfully had to sell every record for a pound a go at car boots ill make more money

Its easy Beeks,i've seen em do it.

Item description; rare northern soul 12" on everthing.

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by ken

I got lucky there Beeks, I was the same, other than giving my mum a bit of cash, all my money went on house records, but I managed to off load them on ebay about 7 years ago and got damn good money, £300 for one Joe Clausell record I remeber. Selling them funded my soul collection - well proper soul collection, as I had always dabbled, getting the records my house 12's sampled etc...

My mate who was bang into and had alot of the same records held onto them for a few more years and ended up selling the lot for 100 quid!

I have just spent the most for me, which was 90 quid, It was along time want, so I justified it but i do think sometimes why do i cherish this vinyl and not just have an mp3, but the truth of it is I would spend it on something else, and theres just something nice about having those original vinyls!

I have changed in the last year or so, I was defiently guilty of quantity over quality, but have probably halfed my soul collection in that time...

And now the wife is due in Oct so the records will defo slow up.....

Where is she?

Sorry couldn't resist

Seriously though, theres lots of wheeling and dealing, trades, using cash from sales to fund buys, then theres not paying the bills, working all hours, credit cards, loans, re-mortgaging,

Thing is within reason there's always a way,

Just don't squander your cash on luxuries............like food etc

So Whats the stigma attached to re-issues? same record...usually same quality...why the snobbery? Bootlegs I can understand...but re-issues?

I don't see it as snobbery, just a case of wanting to collect the original.......same as collectors of any rare objects.

As for being able to afford rare soul 45s, try to look outside the box of collecting the big obvious tunes that fetch big money....go out to the venues, scour the record bars, try to listen to plenty of tunes you don't know in sales boxes, ask sellers if they have any stuff they would recommend in the genre and budget you are after.....it's relatively easy to do if you are willing to put the time and effort into it.

There are plenty of £20 - £50 records worth collecting, plenty of them could potentially go big and rocket in value.

Try and build your own individual collection rather than chasing big tunes you can't afford.....and don't make the mistake of ploughing yourself in debt on credit cards, you'll only end up selling off records to pay off mounting debts...all imo of course.

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by Mace

haha nah...just find it mind boggling the amount of disposable cash everyone on here has...I worked it out that after my outgoings every month...it would take ridiculous amounts of saving for a few months to buy anything I want

PS. Im not asking for a breakdown of your earnings!! Im just astounded you have so much disposable income!

I'm a high class prostitute working in Mayfair. I can earn £10k a week. satisfied!

Well on my pocket money that i get off Harry i dont buy biggies just look out for little cheap sleeping gems theres thousands out there just ripe for the picking , so if you cant afford the biggies dont worry , you really dont need too Di xx

So Whats the stigma attached to re-issues? same record...usually same quality...why the snobbery? Bootlegs I can understand...but re-issues?

NO NO NO!!.... Beeks - retract that post!!..

Dont even go there!.. another subject for another day.... This leads to the OVO debate and there are 90million threads on this already..

Discuss with individuals when you're out - that'll kill a few hours...

Jayne.x.

I don't see it as snobbery, just a case of wanting to collect the original.......same as collectors of any rare objects.

As for being able to afford rare soul 45s, try to look outside the box of collecting the big obvious tunes that fetch big money....go out to the venues, scour the record bars, try to listen to plenty of tunes you don't know in sales boxes, ask sellers if they have any stuff they would recommend in the genre and budget you are after.....it's relatively easy to do if you are willing to put the time and effort into it.

There are plenty of £20 - £50 records worth collecting, plenty of them could potentially go big and rocket in value.

Try and build your own individual collection rather than chasing big tunes you can't afford.....and don't make the mistake of ploughing yourself in debt on credit cards, you'l only end up selling off records to pay off mounting debts...all imo of course.

Wise Words Mace...suppose ive been trying to walk before I can crawl...have been seeking out the popular Monsters instead of finding my own little niche...I know I have taste musically so im going to base my future northern record buying based solely on that and not what I think people want to hear...cheers for the advise

I think some one spent 5k at one of koppels many collection sales and was still paying for it a good fews years later

Ted, l spent 3 and got some top tunes indeed

I don't see it as snobbery, just a case of wanting to collect the original.......same as collectors of any rare objects.

As for being able to afford rare soul 45s, try to look outside the box of collecting the big obvious tunes that fetch big money....go out to the venues, scour the record bars, try to listen to plenty of tunes you don't know in sales boxes, ask sellers if they have any stuff they would recommend in the genre and budget you are after.....it's relatively easy to do if you are willing to put the time and effort into it.

There are plenty of £20 - £50 records worth collecting, plenty of them could potentially go big and rocket in value.

Try and build your own individual collection rather than chasing big tunes you can't afford.....and don't make the mistake of ploughing yourself in debt on credit cards, you'll only end up selling off records to pay off mounting debts...all imo of course.

Hmm.. hey Mr!...where were you when I needed that advice a few years ago!!... I clearly got in with the wrong crowd! LOL

Another great way to hear tracks that you might want to pick up is listening to CD's from other people. This scene is brilliant for kind and lovely people who are happy to do CD's for others. I've heard hundreds of tracks like that and then searched them down and I know a few others do that too..

Jayne.

Seriously though, theres lots of wheeling and dealing, trades, using cash from sales to fund buys, then theres not paying the bills, working all hours, credit cards, loans, re-mortgaging,

Thing is within reason there's always a way,

Just don't squander your cash on luxuries............like food etc

.. LOL.. brilliant!... nothing better than living off Aldi beans for 3 weeks because you've spent your food budget on tuneage...!

Jayne.x.

tuneage

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.. LOL.. brilliant!... nothing better than living off Aldi beans for 3 weeks because you've spent your food budget on tuneage...!

Jayne.x.

Whats the most you have ever spent on one record Jayne?

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why? what? when?.... I missed this..

tuneage is a great word. I've been using it too long now to stop.

tuneage and disco...my favourite words.

Jayne.x.

Just a Question on something thats been puzzling me for awhile...

As a record collector the most ive ever paid for a record is £150...and I baulked at that to be honest...but in the Northern Soul scene thats an average price...

So my question is...how the hell do you all afford to spend between £100-5000 on a record?!?

You are mostly older and therefore must have families to support so I just dont get where the income comes from...

Are you all Drug Dealers?

Im on a very decent wage in my job and have no debt or baggage but I would still find it impossible to come up with that kind of cash on a regular basis...

So unless you are premiership footballers and noone told me...how do you raise the cash?

Do you all buy and sell the records? Did you have some gems bought cheap from back in the day and just trade them to buy others?

Id be very interested to know

I sold my children into slavery and became a gigalo on my days off .......

How I raised / and do raise , cash for my record purchases is personal .........

Malc Burton

why? what? when?.... I missed this..

tuneage is a great word. I've been using it too long now to stop.

tuneage and disco...my favourite words.

Jayne.x.

Think it was mentioned on the Pet Hates thread...not really banned, but watch yer back

I just get the feeling I was born in the wrong era...this cements that fact...while you were buying soul gems down Wigan Casino in its heyday...I was out spending £500 a month on house records in the late 80s...I now am the owner of 5000 dance records I couldn't give away...and you are all stinking rich...there is no god

You and many others Beeks. I'm amazed at the relatively low value of House era 12"'s these days - it's not really old enough for a scene to emerge yet.

But Northern Soul's had 40 years to develop and nurture, plus the scene has now spread across the globe which is fueling the demand for original copies. We used to buy them @ 20 for a £1 in the early 70's in some cases, so over the years the collection has provided a good investment and got me through a few tough times! Naturally if circumstances allowed me to keep every piece of vinyl I'd ever bought, I'd have three houses full by now (apparently Guy Hennigan does have three houses full of vinyl, as someone told me yesterday LOL).

I've actually gone through about 6 different collections at different stages of my life. I've always kept a solid nucleus of circa 5-10k records and the collection has ebbed and flowed along with my life. Also a lot of my original records have later emerged to be big records on the scene which is nice to see.

But gone are the days of spending big money on 7" singles for me. The most I ever spent was maybe £100 in cash and swaps for any records and I've had many of the big ones at one stage or other. The way I've stayed sane with it all is simply to view my collection as a constantly evolving entity over 40 odd years. It's still evolving - I just picked up the best track I've heard all year yesterday, albeit on CD!

I now have more music across the different formats than I've ever had in my entire life. The big problem is finding the time to listen to it all these days!

Ian D

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by Ian Dewhirst

Whats the most you have ever spent on one record Jayne?

a couple of thousand dollars I think... It took me a few years of constant searching to find it so when I saw it, I had to buy it.

Jayne.x

a couple of thousand dollars I think... It took me a few years of constant searching to find it so when I saw it, I had to buy it.

Jayne.x

Have you still got it Jayne?

Have you still got it Jayne?

I can't remember!.

hey,I'm proud of that!.. I haven't yet failed at finding a record when I set my mind to it...

Better than spending it on shoes I guess..

Jayne.x.

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by Miss BurySoul

its sort of

save a bit of money,buy 1 record you want,and 2 to sell on at a profit

then use that profit to buy 1 you want and..............

after about 30 years you will have a decent collection

or will ave gone mad trying

i get a few d.j spots see avitar-------Me d.j ing @ middleton

so its worked for me

01270-xxxxxx for bookings BY THE WAY

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by keithw

Wise Words Mace...suppose ive been trying to walk before I can crawl...have been seeking out the popular Monsters instead of finding my own little niche...I know I have taste musically so im going to base my future northern record buying based solely on that and not what I think people want to hear...cheers for the advise

Best way, deffo. Are you armed with Manship's guide yet?... there are a few other very good reference books too.. Get y'self down to Beatin Rhthmn!.

I spent about £100 on 2 ref books alone. Just full of labels, titles etc..

Jayne.x.

ALOT OF THIS IS ABOUT INTERPRETATION AND THIS IS ATOTALLY SUJECTIVE QUESTION WHICH WILL BE ANSWERED ACCORDING TO WHAT INDIVIDUALS DEAM AS A BIG RECORD ETC.I BOUGHT MY FIRST BIG RECORD IN APRIL 79 SPYDER TURNER ON GOOD TIME FOR A BOUT 7 QUID AT THE TIME FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY THE RINGLEADERS ON M-PAC FOR £3 QUID OFF KEITH MINSULL AND SO ON AND SO FORTH .MOST OF THE BIGGER TUNES IN MY COLLECTION WERE BOUGHT BETWEEN 1981-94 INCLUDING TRIPS TO US WHERE I WAS GETTING THE LIKES OF THE VOLUMES ON IMPACT FOR A COUPLE OF DOLLARS.

HEREWITNIN LIES THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION [NOW THIS IS MY POINT OF VIEW ONLY AND SOMETHING WHICH WORKS FOR ME]IF I WANT A REAL BIGGIE FOR A COUPLE OF GRAND ONLY 3-5 IN THIS REGION I WOULD GO AFTER I WILL SIMPLY SELL NICE ITEM I PAID PENNIES FOR AND GET 3-400 QUID A SHOT,DONE THIS JUST RECENTLY WHEN I MADE 900 QUID ON HERE IN 3 DAYS AND BOUGHT A COUPLE OF WANTS.

ANOTHER EQUATION IS AS YOU ARE OLDER YOU DO TEND TO HAVE A DECENT REVUNE STREAM USUALLY ANYWAY [THIS AGAIN IS TOTALLY DEPENDIG ON THE INDIVIDUAL AND WHAT THERE DO FOR A LIVING]

AS I GET OLDER MY TASTES HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH THAT I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING F--K ABOUT GETTING RID OF A BIGGIE TO BUY MORE INTERESTING ITEMS INCLUDING FUNKY THINGS GOSPEL BUT MAILY DEEP SOUL AND SWEET,HORDING BIGGER RECORDS FOR EGOS SAKE UNLESS YOU ARE A LOGO COLLECTOR DOES NOT APPEAL TO ME AGAIN A PERSONNEL VIEW.

I TEND TO NOT FOLLOW THE TRENDS ON THE NORTHERN SCENE ANYMORE MAILY BECAUSE RECORDS THAT ARE RAVED ABOUT ALOT USUALLY HAVE HAD THERE DAY MANY MOONS AGO, [AND OFCOURSE THERE ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS AGAIN BASED ON PERSONNEL TASTE AND PREFERENCES.

THE BEST BASEMENT FOR ME HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE THOUSHANDS OF UNKNOWNS OUT THERE FOR PENNIES BOTH VIA WEBSITES,NETWORKS,TRIPS AWAY ETC,RECORD HUNTING IS HARD WORK IF YOU WANT THE QUICK HIT BUY THE CARSTAIRES [WOOPS SORRY PETE].

BAZ A

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Hi Mace.........or soulie ergh! lol

I agree with a lot of what's been already said.

As for me personally, i just have always bought what I liked (if I could afford it) and a lot of what I didn't particularly like sometimes, if I thought that I could sell it/ trade it on.

I foresook "normal" holidays for most of the 80's and 90's, instead going to the US whenever I could to search out vinyl. That meant that I could always get hold of records at relatively, and sometimes ludicrously, cheap prices. I could then sell these on at the prevailing price at the time to buy the sounds I couldn't find in the US.

That said, I have spent far too much money on records in my time. And now I've got the bug again

Phil

Whats the most you have ever spent on one record Jayne?

Beeks,

Would you ever buy a record you didn't like?..

Jayne.

Beeks,

Would you ever buy a record you didn't like?..

Jayne.

I've bought tons i don't like, but they sounded ace the previous night through those head phones,

Beeks,

Would you ever buy a record you didn't like?..

Jayne.

Id never ever buy a record I dont like...this is why I find it so hard to comprehend that people will spend big money on an average record because its rare...I have the maybe naive notion that its about the music...not the plastic it's cut onto...suppose there are exeptions and im starting to see the concept now...buy a crap record thats rare for x amount...then sell it straight away for y amount making a big profit...

Best way, deffo. Are you armed with Manship's guide yet?...

No Jayne...but im investing in one at the end of the month...seems like its the bible so im looking forward to the purchase

im starting to see the concept now...buy a crap record thats rare for x amount...then sell it straight away for y amount making a big profit...

You're actually missing the most important essence of the concept, labelling a record you don't personally like as being crap......one mans meat and all that.

You're actually missing the most important essence of the concept, labelling a record you don't personally like as being crap......one mans meat and all that.

Im beginning to see the light

Ok so you're all convincing me...ill leave the reissue purchases for now and start buying some cheap original potential monsters...in ten years time get back to me...and ill see if im on here buying 10k records (Inflation) and scoffing at the young blood being cheeky

I'd have three houses full by now (apparently Guy Hennigan does have three houses full of vinyl, as someone told me yesterday LOL).

Ian D

Close,three houses full of carvers he still pays 1972 prices.

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by ken

Just a Question on something thats been puzzling me for awhile...

As a record collector the most ive ever paid for a record is £150...and I baulked at that to be honest...but in the Northern Soul scene thats an average price...

So my question is...how the hell do you all afford to spend between £100-5000 on a record?!?

You are mostly older and therefore must have families to support so I just dont get where the income comes from...

Are you all Drug Dealers?

Im on a very decent wage in my job and have no debt or baggage but I would still find it impossible to come up with that kind of cash on a regular basis...

So unless you are premiership footballers and noone told me...how do you raise the cash?

Do you all buy and sell the records? Did you have some gems bought cheap from back in the day and just trade them to buy others?

Id be very interested to know

WHY? would be a less personal question Beeks

Have got some good news for ya

pm you

Chuff Me Beeks ..... your not in PR by any chance are you???

have you not heard the phrase ''it was only a tenner love'' .....

I told my other half that all the records in my box where a fiver each !! then she counted them and said " do you relise your got over a thousand pounds in there " and flipped ,if only she knew !!!

I don't see it as snobbery, just a case of wanting to collect the original.......same as collectors of any rare objects.

As for being able to afford rare soul 45s, try to look outside the box of collecting the big obvious tunes that fetch big money....go out to the venues, scour the record bars, try to listen to plenty of tunes you don't know in sales boxes, ask sellers if they have any stuff they would recommend in the genre and budget you are after.....it's relatively easy to do if you are willing to put the time and effort into it.

There are plenty of £20 - £50 records worth collecting, plenty of them could potentially go big and rocket in value.

Try and build your own individual collection rather than chasing big tunes you can't afford.....and don't make the mistake of ploughing yourself in debt on credit cards, you'll only end up selling off records to pay off mounting debts...all imo of course.

Spot on Mace, great advice. Never do it on the credit cards, it's far too easy to get into debt. Search for something new or semi known and don't give the big dealers wants lists!!!

buy a crap record thats rare for x amount...then sell it straight away for y amount making a big profit...

you'll have to work on the sales pitch a bit.

just out of interest what tracks have you heard so far on the northern scene that you have realy liked ?

this is not a test i'm just curious..... I won 't be giving you marks out of 10

Credit cards.....that's the only reason that records are so expensive in my humble opinion....that's my downfall any road.

you'll have to work on the sales pitch a bit.

just out of interest what tracks have you heard so far on the northern scene that you have realy liked ?

this is not a test i'm just curious..... I won 't be giving you marks out of 10

I think I much prefer oldies than the newer stuff...know ill probably get lynched but the whole World Column stuff doesnt really do it for me...female vocals I prefer alot more...

I also like stuff that I think could really cross over to appeal to the modern market...everything ive heard from the tangeers I love...Ruby Andrews obviously...Patti Drew...Rita and the Tiaras Sharon Jones - Tell me, I love!...The Tomangoes...The Elgins - Put yourself in my place is my most recent purchase...and another fave of mine which ive been listening to alot is Gladys Knight - Just walk in my shoes...just for the lyrics alone...Judy Freeman - Hold On...Almeta Latimore...Brenda Holloway...that sort of stuff...im just finding my feet in this music

You have to remember I come from a soul background being into stuff like Bobby Womack...Curtis Mayfield...Al Green...Minnie Ripperton...pretty mainstream soul...so im always going to like the more Northern stuff which leans towards that...

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by Beeks

I've had two tax inspectors round my house this week, so im not saying nothing.

I've had two tax inspectors round my house this week, so im not saying nothing.

I will say one thing though, i had to hide the range rover round the corner, god knows what the neighbours are thinking

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by tim smithers

Not very often that I will actually pay cash for an £100+ record, simply can't afford to but am always trading with people to get bits I want. But having said that I will get the wallet out if if it's something I really want!

Normally I stick to buying lesser known things nice and cheap. Nothing like digging through sales boxes at nighters and listening to things you don't know. Gets to the point where every weekend I'll have my sales box with me but will also have 3 or 4 packs of upto 10 records put aside for specific people to listen to, simply because I've got an idea of their taste and can pull 45s out that I think they would be interested in. Of course, I get stuff given to me from other people to listen to as well because they also know what I'm looking for. Then the fun of haggling and trading really starts .

There are several people who I've got the utmost respect for and if they recommend something to me then I'll always have a listen.

Adam.

I think I much prefer oldies than the newer stuff...know ill probably get lynched but the whole World Column stuff doesnt really do it for me...female vocals I prefer alot more...

I also like stuff that I think could really cross over to appeal to the modern market...everything ive heard from the tangeers I love...Ruby Andrews obviously...Patti Drew...Rita and the Tiaras Sharon Jones - Tell me, I love!...The Tomangoes...The Elgins - Put yourself in my place is my most recent purchase...and another fave of mine which ive been listening to alot is Gladys Knight - Just walk in my shoes...just for the lyrics alone...Judy Freeman - Hold On...Almeta Latimore...Brenda Holloway...that sort of stuff...im just finding my feet in this music

You have to remember I come from a soul background being into stuff like Bobby Womack...Curtis Mayfield...Al Green...Minnie Ripperton...pretty mainstream soul...so im always going to like the more Northern stuff which leans towards that...

i'm having a mainstream phase just now.

example being Bar-Kays "Summer of our love"

and this... which is sensational.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGAvP_c9AqQ

things like tomangoes are always going to sound. They don't reach cult status for nothing.

you've got pretty mixed taste which is a good thing in my book.

Good question

I spent serious amounts on records

two months ago i went to a doo in London as was introduced to someone as the guy with all the tunes as im a coke dealer!!!!!!!!!

I spent a good half hour putting this guy straight.

But it pissed me off big time that someone i hardly know thinks thats whats behind me buying records.

I suggested he visit my music equipment shop and tell me that again

i'm having a mainstream phase just now.

example being Bar-Kays "Summer of our love"

and this... which is sensational.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGAvP_c9AqQ

things like tomangoes are always going to sound. They don't reach cult status for nothing.

you've got pretty mixed taste which is a good thing in my book.

Yeah...very good...The Chi lites and the Bar-Kays are both favourites of mine...and ive amassed a good collection of albums/singles over the years of most mainstream soul...ive always had a small collection of Northern Records but up until six months ago it only consisted of tunes most people outside the scene know...your Frank Wilsons (Not the original haha) your Al Wilson - The Snake...you know...a collection of Northern Records from someone who knows little about the genre...but the turning point for me came when I stumbled upon Nolan Porters - If I could only be sure...was hooked on it for weeks...I listen back now and its not the same...but it got me hunting to where I am today...im finding new stuff all the time now...its like finding a new love...always said when I got older that id save something special for my later years...was thinking of the Blues...maybe even classical...but I have a feeling im going to start amassing records again...I spent £150 this month on Northern Records...and I can only see that increasing as I find more stuff...just gonna try and get a box together of stuff I really cant do without...then take it from there

its a slippery slope but sounds like you've got the bug good and proper now.

Its frightening how easy it is to refer to a 75-100 record as cheap and not even think it remotely strange to spending that sort of money.

I think there's a few of us now who came over from the house music era.

its a slippery slope but sounds like you've got the bug good and proper now.

Its frightening how easy it is to refer to a 75-100 record as cheap and not even think it remotely strange to spending that sort of money.

I think there's a few of us now who came over from the house music era.

To be honest...If and when I do amass a decent collection...id be scared to take it out and play it!! even a small box of 60 records average price £50 a record id want a fookin armed escort when I walked the street hahahaha

why? what? when?.... I missed this..

tuneage is a great word. I've been using it too long now to stop.

tuneage and disco...my favourite words.

Jayne.x.

In that case you'll have to leave the building I'm afraid Ma'm

Its frightening how easy it is to refer to a 75-100 record as cheap and not even think it remotely strange to spending that sort of money.

I remember only a couple of years ago I said to the wife that 100 quid for a 45 was stupid.

Now if I spend a half decent amount I always justify it as its a 'bargain'...but when you see a non-soulies reaction to spending anything like 100 quid on a 40 year old record it puts it into persepective....

We are all wierdos really.

Edited July 18, 200816 yr by Adrian

Getting back to the bit about its rare expensive and its crap.

Well if you have had all the big ticket records you get bored with them so natural progression will lead you on to the rare exotic stuff that you never see in boxes for sale. Huummm nice.