Over the past 2 - 3 years this problem has been getting steadily worse imho. I can understand with the current drinking laws that some drinkers will hit an All-Niter for a late night session. Can't really get my head round why groups of young men would want to pay to get into a club that finishes at 2, isn't a pick up joint and the music is unfamiliar. Surely they have other clubs packed with girlies to eye up (and more) in the vicinity??

I've avoided a certain venue recently, the last straw being a tw*t mirroring my dancing and skipping off to pester somebody else after I asked him "What?!" Been going to said venue many years but lost faith. Shame cos the music is brill.

So what's the answer? Memberships? Better scrutiny on the door? Fully understand with the credit crunch that venues need the revenue but then again I've heard others are being more choosy so it must balance out.

What do others think?

Mark C

ps.. Told that some idiot even lit up a cig inside a soul night on saturday!

Over the past 2 - 3 years this problem has been getting steadily worse imho. I can understand with the current drinking laws that some drinkers will hit an All-Niter for a late night session. Can't really get my head round why groups of young men would want to pay to get into a club that finishes at 2, isn't a pick up joint and the music is unfamiliar. Surely they have other clubs packed with girlies to eye up (and more) in the vicinity??

I've avoided a certain venue recently, the last straw being a tw*t mirroring my dancing and skipping off to pester somebody else after I asked him "What?!" Been going to said venue many years but lost faith. Shame cos the music is brill.

So what's the answer? Memberships? Better scrutiny on the door? Fully understand with the credit crunch that venues need the revenue but then again I've heard others are being more choosy so it must balance out.

What do others think?

Mark C

ps.. Told that some idiot even lit up a cig inside a soul night on saturday!

We had the same problem at the Opera house on the 1st night.. Now its up to me ,( I pay the Bill so im in charge of security ) just a nod to one of 12 bouncers, and they are asked to leave.. Its not fair on the paying punters to have their night trashed by a twat or two.. Its worth it if you want them( the punters) to return. We have people that travel many miles and we want them back(with thier freinds)..

Is your Chosen venue a cheep drinks venue? Then charge more on the door?..

Over the past 2 - 3 years this problem has been getting steadily worse imho. I can understand with the current drinking laws that some drinkers will hit an All-Niter for a late night session. Can't really get my head round why groups of young men would want to pay to get into a club that finishes at 2, isn't a pick up joint and the music is unfamiliar. Surely they have other clubs packed with girlies to eye up (and more) in the vicinity??

I've avoided a certain venue recently, the last straw being a tw*t mirroring my dancing and skipping off to pester somebody else after I asked him "What?!" Been going to said venue many years but lost faith. Shame cos the music is brill.

So what's the answer? Memberships? Better scrutiny on the door? Fully understand with the credit crunch that venues need the revenue but then again I've heard others are being more choosy so it must balance out.

What do others think?

Mark C

ps.. Told that some idiot even lit up a cig inside a soul night on saturday!

I think a bit of vetting, i mean......... they stand out a mile dont they, dont let em in

Edited February 16, 200916 yr by kid mohair

Over the past 2 - 3 years this problem has been getting steadily worse imho. I can understand with the current drinking laws that some drinkers will hit an All-Niter for a late night session. Can't really get my head round why groups of young men would want to pay to get into a club that finishes at 2, isn't a pick up joint and the music is unfamiliar. Surely they have other clubs packed with girlies to eye up (and more) in the vicinity??

I've avoided a certain venue recently, the last straw being a tw*t mirroring my dancing and skipping off to pester somebody else after I asked him "What?!" Been going to said venue many years but lost faith. Shame cos the music is brill.

So what's the answer? Memberships? Better scrutiny on the door? Fully understand with the credit crunch that venues need the revenue but then again I've heard others are being more choosy so it must balance out.

What do others think?

Mark C

ps.. Told that some idiot even lit up a cig inside a soul night on saturday!

Bring Back membership cards. Ive said it more than once on here.The 100 club has definately changed since they got rid of them to name just one venue.............Interesting though as when i posted that a venue (not 100 club i hasten to add) was full of beer boys only out for a late nite drink which ruined my night as they were mucking about on the dance floor taking thie p**s and when i asked them not to dance with drinks in their hands i was told to f**k off, I got accused of killing the soul scene and being elitist!!! I wouldnt suggest you propose ways they could be kept out as that is, apparently not encouraging new blood into the scene........

We had the same problem at the Opera house on the 1st night.. Now its up to me ,( I pay the Bill so im in charge of security ) just a nod to one of 12 bouncers, and they are asked to leave.. Its not fair on the paying punters to have their night trashed by a twat or two.. Its worth it if you want them( the punters) to return. We have people that travel many miles and we want them back(with thier freinds)..

Is your Chosen venue a cheep drinks venue? Then charge more on the door?..

I seen idiots come into a local soul night at Oakdale club many years ago - dancing around, taking the piss. Guy called Ricky Drage put a chair over one of the lads head - end of problem

not sure if this is the right way to solve the problem but it worked

Well Barnsley Stormin Soul has a membership card. I have no problem with a membership system for dos.

Suz

x

Club owners and promoters have a duty to protect their paying customers from violence, initimidation, offensive behaviour etc. If they fail to do this, go elsewhere.

Stricter membership schemes can help.

Promoters who invite "pissheads" into specialist soul events are being greedy and irresponsible. They deserve to lose their regular customers.

And, sadly, low admission prices and cheap drinks don't help.

Edited February 16, 200916 yr by Paul

i think it depends where you are....and how much the night is costing if youre a promoter....

if its a small town you are probably the only club open and will get those sad drunk men who dont wanna go home alone.....if its costing you a lot of money for big name djs and the crowd isnt what you expected you might not have a choice but to let them in.....i feel sorry for anyone in this position and its a shame if it ruins thier future events

at go go children in bristol we get passers by and friends of friends who arnt 'on the scene' but they are always well behaved.....although at times dont seem to understand about dancing with drinks !!.....luckily for us being a big city there are other clubs open all night not 5 minutes away full of half naked drunk woman to attract the twats....

i played in bath the other week and because of the snow numbers were down, the promoter almost let the people in from the pub above us but as he had covered his costs he made the right choice of having just a couple of dozen people in who knew the score and were up for it rather than a packed venue of people who may have f***** about and ruined it for others...

They pizz me right off, on many occasions ive felt like belting them, but its not the sort of thing i wanna a see or do at a soul event.

Club owners and promoters have a duty to protect their paying customers from violence, initimidation, offensive behaviour etc. If they fail to do this, go elsewhere.

Stricter membership schemes can help.

Promoters who invite "pissheads" into specialist soul events are being greedy and irresponsible. They deserve to lose their regular customers.

And, sadly, low admission prices and cheap drinks don't help.

100% common sense....This forum seems to have changed a lot in the last few years.

People should vote with their feet. Trouble is i do believe some promoters ONLY care about numbers so they can say the place was busy or they had 100,200,300 etc through the door. Then again I dont spend out my own cash promoting a nite.

My dad was a founding member of a large and modern Working Men's Club in County Durham. When I was 17 I was allowed to go in for a few pints but I had to be signed in by a member (my dad or one of the other committee members) and I had to behave myself.

If I had misbehaved, got drunk or used bad language in the lounge or concert hall (where women were present), I'd have been banned and my dad would have been banned too. And no doubt he would have killed me.

It was a huge place, packed with thousands when acts such as The Drifters, The Fantastics or Jimmy James were on stage, and I don't ever recall seeing a fight.

Let's face it, they must have been doing something right.

its soulies who keep the scene alive

piss heads do not understand the etiquete and are not wanted

new blood will come from children of soulies as they will have grown with and understand the music.

piss heads will stop soulies attending venues.

if the problem continues then more soulies will stop.then end of venue

keep the piss heads out at all costs

went to a soul night about 5-6 years ago called the venue in northampton. it was run by a bloke called paddy gready, we paid £9 each to see snake davis who was very good and the night was going great until mr gready decided he hadn't made enough money on the night ,so he let a load of student types in who were all pissed up for £4.50 each as he was only in it for the money . you can guess what happend next ! they started taking the piss and then fights broke out. spoilt what was up till then a goodnight . i think that ended up being the last soul night there .

All down to the promoter,just dont support the venues that are badly run on the cheap.

went to a soul night about 5-6 years ago called the venue in northampton. it was run by a bloke called paddy gready, we paid £9 each to see snake davis who was very good and the night was going great until mr gready decided he hadn't made enough money on the night ,so he let a load of student types in who were all pissed up for £4.50 each as he was only in it for the money . you can guess what happend next ! they started taking the piss and then fights broke out. spoilt what was up till then a goodnight . i think that ended up being the last soul night there .

i remember that night well danny, bloody disgrace. also remember going to a do in roadmenders(something like that) club northampton same thing happened there, alright at the start then the youths took over all hell broke loose left early never to

return, what a load of cobblers!!!

plinthstons letchworth also always had its fair share of pissheads, shame cause it was a nice venue.

I think membership cards are the answer. There's nothing worse than some drunken idiot taking the piss out of you on the dance floor.

I kinda liked the idea of breaking a chair over their heads

We could have easily gone down the road of letting locals in, that way we wouldn't have lost money for the first 3/4 years of running Rugby

but

we had our hearts set on what we've got now and stuck at it...

Our doormen are paid well to keep out the locals, one look from me and it's "sorry lads/lassies, it's a private party"

100% common sense....This forum seems to have changed a lot in the last few years.

People should vote with their feet. Trouble is i do believe some promoters ONLY care about numbers so they can say the place was busy or they had 100,200,300 etc through the door. Then again I dont spend out my own cash promoting a nite.

Hi Helen,

An other way of looking at it is, If that piss head falls over he can take you to court if you let him/her in.. A popular night I know of,have a problem at the mo where a paying punter wants to take them to court, because another paying punter hit him....... If your gonna put on a night, make sure your Insured, and then double insured..

Memberships is a great way forward( and I think the insurance would be cheeper too)..

just stick a nutt on them and jump on their head if they blink on the way down

As people have posted you can usually tell the people as they walk through the door, happened to me whilst djing, a very drunk lady who was coming to ask for a request, actually fell on the decks nice stock copy of laura green wrecked!!!!!!, so what do you do in that situation?

Well Barnsley Stormin Soul has a membership card. I have no problem with a membership system for dos.

Suz

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Suz,

The lager lads wont get by Amie,at Barnsley,I think she told me she had turned 10 or 20 piss heads away before.

Kev

Edited February 16, 200916 yr by good angel

Hi Helen,

An other way of looking at it is, If that piss head falls over he can take you to court if you let him/her in.. A popular night I know of,have a problem at the mo where a paying punter wants to take them to court, because another paying punter hit him....... If your gonna put on a night, make sure your Insured, and then double insured..

Memberships is a great way forward( and I think the insurance would be cheeper too)..

Hi Shaun,

The thing is how do you tell? If people turn up pi**ed then its easy to exclude them but if they get out of hand once inside then its harder to deal with. Thats why I agree membership is the way forward (or backwards I suppose lol). In the old days there wasnt such a problem because the bar shut early (or didnt open at all). This has never been a beer fueled scene imo so why do we need late licences and all nite drinking? Do you think a do could survive now if it just sold soft drinks?

Sorry you've got me on a roll now!! How many of us remember waiting outside for the 'normal' night to kick out of a venue so we could go in and dance 'till the morning? Go back to warm ups and niters that start at 12.00/1.00 that would help too....but then Im a dinosaur and proud of it!!

Helen

xx

Suz,

The lager lads wont get by Amie,at Barnsley,I think she told me she had turned 10 or 20 piss heads away before.

Kev

Kev if she's owt like me she'll hit em with her handbag! No seriously a membership system is so much more civilised. I remember an alldayer in Blackpool Savoy a good few years ago, the alldayer was cut short cos some decided to come off the street and start a fight

Suz

x

At our opening night at Groovesville 1 dick head managed to get past Kenny of backdoor fame,got himself a beer ,went on the dance floor within 30 seconds of him on the floor i made a line for him gently held his elbow and ushered him away from the floor area to the staircase and down he went and out of the club.

Me and andy paid for this club with hard earned cash i aint gonna let a pisshead spoil it no way,we do have bouncers paid for by us but I DO the door supervision and floor area,it makes sense for me to eject them......so our policy is NO BEER on the dancefloor,if you do well you'll have me to answer to....plain and simple.

So if you want a great night out without pissheads come to (blatent plug here) Groovesville next one 18th April 09 and NO pissheads.

Sorry for the plug.

A good door supervisor/floor walker can spot a dick head from 50 paces

Toby.

just stick a nutt on them and jump on their head if they blink on the way down

I think they maybe talking about you.....................

I have to say that when I went to my first Venue in 30 yrs (Rugby) it was in the back of my head that it might be a bun-fight - all night drinks licence and all. I'm 50 , can't fight and don't want to. I was immediately impressed with the set up. I arrived at about 2330 and immediately clocked the door staff clocking me. I was reassured. I've only been to Rugby twice and I haven't even seen someone who remotely showed signs of having had a drink or two, never mind appearing 'drunk'. Absolute courtesy from everyone......that's what Soul Nights have been in my experience and should be (including the ancient history I was part of) and hats off to Rugby for that......it's safe, fun and it feels that way all of the time you are there.

Best

dogstoat

I agree on this comment,Rugby is one of the safest places to go for a soul nighter.

i remember that night well danny, bloody disgrace. also remember going to a do in roadmenders(something like that) club northampton same thing happened there, alright at the start then the youths took over all hell broke loose left early never to

return, what a load of cobblers!!!

plinthstons letchworth also always had its fair share of pissheads, shame cause it was a nice venue.

yeh i was there aswell that night at the roadmender club russ, mr gready run that night also. up the cobblers

At our opening night at Groovesville 1 dick head managed to get past Kenny of backdoor fame,got himself a beer ,went on the dance floor within 30 seconds of him on the floor i made a line for him gently held his elbow and ushered him away from the floor area to the staircase and down he went and out of the club.

Me and andy paid for this club with hard earned cash i aint gonna let a pisshead spoil it no way,we do have bouncers paid for by us but I DO the door supervision and floor area,it makes sense for me to eject them......so our policy is NO BEER on the dancefloor,if you do well you'll have me to answer to....plain and simple.

So if you want a great night out without pissheads come to (blatent plug here) Groovesville next one 18th April 09 and NO pissheads.

Sorry for the plug.

A good door supervisor/floor walker can spot a dick head from 50 paces

Toby.

what not even me Toby

Is it me if ive been on the beer,I dont want to cause trouble or a fight,I just want go to my bed to sleep

Kev

Imo the Bouncers who are on Doors attract piss heads,what the hell is bouncers doin at a Soul nite,thugs in leather jackets is all they are who tell their pissheadmates to call later and they will get a late drink etc .

Edited February 16, 200916 yr by biggray1

what not even me Toby

No Mr Bearsy you aint a piss head are you ,a little nutty/wierd at times but a piss head no,a f***ing daft git but not a piss head imo.

Mind you when you visit us at Groovesville you gotta get past me at the top staircase,if you are just a weeny bit tidly ill still let you in

Hope you are well my friend long time see old chum,keep on smiling mate its good for the spots so they tell me.

Yep this is a problem everywhere, it's well documented that we suffer from it aswell ,the answer is membership only and weve got 450 members, be great if they all came on the same night then we'd be able to open the upstairs room .

Is it me if ive been on the beer,I dont want to cause trouble or a fight,I just want go to my bed to sleep

Kev

Me too!

I think memberships are a good idea.

i remember that night well danny, bloody disgrace. also remember going to a do in roadmenders(something like that) club northampton same thing happened there, alright at the start then the youths took over all hell broke loose left early never to

return, what a load of cobblers!!!

plinthstons letchworth also always had its fair share of pissheads, shame cause it was a nice venue.

this happens purely because the promoter is in it for the money only,this was the case with both venues mentioned above and plenty more nowadays,let anyone in as long as they pay their £5 or so

I agree on this comment,Rugby is one of the safest places to go for a soul nighter.

Was you there when it kicked with two soulie's old fukcers,it was all in slooow moootion funny as fukc. hope theyre not reading this

Was you there when it kicked with two soulie's old fukcers,it was all in slooow moootion funny as fukc. hope theyre not reading this

...I'd forgot about that...bloody locals (no trouble), two old soulies and away they go...

I don't know what the solution is (as a promoter we don't have this problem ) BUT i don't think memberships are the way to go or should i say it wouldn't work for us at BASICS at all .

Personally i don't want to restrict the people who make a late decision to come and see what we're about

And if it's the venue I'm thinking of they have a membership system.

So no guarantees that membership will stop problems.

But it would reduce them ino.

Hi Helen,

An other way of looking at it is, If that piss head falls over he can take you to court if you let him/her in.. A popular night I know of,have a problem at the mo where a paying punter wants to take them to court, because another paying punter hit him....... If your gonna put on a night, make sure your Insured, and then double insured..

Memberships is a great way forward( and I think the insurance would be cheeper too)..

...I'd forgot about that...bloody locals (no trouble), two old soulies and away they go...

Soulies its "away they go go"

i ,used to run soul nites and nighters in and around nottingham city centre , they used to go under fat bastards soul club ,if you wasnt known to us and you hadnt applied for a membership (and many did) you wouldnt get past the door, we even used to kick the students out of there own place, and a good thing, we had was lads out of the scooter club i was in doing the door with me and they would take no shit from any pisshead or anyone looking for a late drink , the cost for membership cards was well worth it to keep out dickheads and pissheads, and we never had any bother all the time i run these do,s, so maybe promoters should look at this as a way of protecting there punters, thanks kev thomas

Me too!

I think memberships are a good idea.

This seems to be getting a problem at a lot of places, at a recent event I attended one idiot was given his marching orders for fooling around on the dance floor.

Memberships do seem to be the way forward, but would this stop you going to a nite on the spur of the moment, if you were not a member if that particular club ? Or would people of a certain age like me just be granted addmission.

We never seem to get much of a problem, our event is upstairs so the enquisitive locals wander upstairs to look through the windows to see some 40+ year old men, some balding dancing on their own....they soon turn tail as they must think it's a gay club...lol

There has been some trouble here & there but usually short lived, especially when they figure out we all know eachother, take one on, take them all on sort of thing......one funny story, at our last weekender on the Sunday there were a few new faces in, not soulies, just looking, this one girl was up dancing & obviously trying to copy some of the moves, she wanders over to my mate Mark Webb & asks him something, he then points at me & then she makes a beeline.

So there I am in a 'moment' she's next to me trying to copy some moves, very annoying & she asks 'can you teach me to dance?'....I said 'no sorry love' I make it quite obvious I don't want to talk, just dance...she asks again, same reply from me, she walks of in a huff......I see Mark pissing himself laughing, apparently she'd asked him & he said 'No I can't but he can as he's a professional dance teacher'....lol

Mike as for Oakdale boys club, there was always scraps there...lol.....& at The Bombers in Canford Heath I don't think any in their right mind would have taken on Ricky, Tom Wyley & crew.

KTF

Baz

i ,used to run soul nites and nighters in and around nottingham city centre , they used to go under fat bastards soul club ,if you wasnt known to us and you hadnt applied for a membership (and many did) you wouldnt get past the door, we even used to kick the students out of there own place, and a good thing, we had was lads out of the scooter club i was in doing the door with me and they would take no shit from any pisshead or anyone looking for a late drink , the cost for membership cards was well worth it to keep out dickheads and pissheads, and we never had any bother all the time i run these do,s, so maybe promoters should look at this as a way of protecting there punters, thanks kev thomas

Still have me membership little fat arse in trunks on the membership,i have stopped you fighting before hope i dont have to do it again Kev Canklow in Rovrum.

Edited February 16, 200916 yr by ken

one funny story, at our last weekender on the Sunday there were a few new faces in, not soulies, just looking, this one girl was up dancing & obviously trying to copy some of the moves, she wanders over to my mate Mark Webb & asks him something, he then points at me & then she makes a beeline.

KTF

Baz

say hello to Webby (originally from my home town) for me. not seen him since skeg weekender 2 yrs ago. we miss him here, time he made the trip again!!

as for the original subject, i made a comment about Nuneaton having some 'chavs/pissheads' etc and got kinda jumped on by other thread posters. there were literally dozens of them in there being a pain on the dancefloor. same at the right track, p'boro on friday, there was a gang of em. again, nothing done.

lets hope things are sorted, Nuneaton was a great venue, keep it that way.

Edited February 16, 200916 yr by IanP

A big sign on the door....

£50 admission after 10.30pm - usually sobers them up

If it's young 'ens with drinks on the dancefloor, that'll be drink aware drilled into them, never leave ya ale unattended, it might get spiked.

as for the original subject, i made a comment about Nuneaton having some 'chavs/pissheads' etc and got kinda jumped on by other thread posters. there were literally dozens of them in there being a pain on the dancefloor.

lets hope things are sorted, Nuneaton was a great venue, keep it that way.

Who jumped on you on the Nuneaton thread? I just went back and read it and Mark replied fairly and no one else even commented on your post.

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/Nuneaton-op-t93986.html

Anyway they'll be no pissheads at MOVE ON! on Friday. Everyone will need a clear head to scribble down the new wants they hear

Edited February 16, 200916 yr by Matt Male

Hey Ian.....yes I'll tell him, I'll send him the piccie too, sweaty bastard ain't he...lol

KTF

Baz

say hello to Webby (originally from my home town) for me. not seen him since skeg weekender 2 yrs ago. we miss him here, time he made the trip again!!

as for the original subject, i made a comment about Nuneaton having some 'chavs/pissheads' etc and got kinda jumped on by other thread posters. there were literally dozens of them in there being a pain on the dancefloor. same at the right track, p'boro on friday, there was a gang of em. again, nothing done.

lets hope things are sorted, Nuneaton was a great venue, keep it that way.

Me and Jem run The 'Pembo' in Rushden. Never had any 'pissheads', never had any security either. We have had a few people come in not knowing what the night is all about and have either left after about half an hour or have enjoyed it and asked when the next one is on. In a couple of cases people have said they expected it to be a 'Motown' night and expressed dissapointment, so we apologised and refunded their entrance money! I can't imagine any major problem occuring that we are not capable of nipping in the bud or handling with a bit of tact. Never seen any major problem anywhere I have ever been to, to be honest.

Cheeers, Steve .

Edited February 17, 200916 yr by Steve Brown

the last straw being a tw*t mirroring my dancing

What do others think?

Find him and kill him.

I don't know what the solution is (as a promoter we don't have this problem ) BUT i don't think memberships are the way to go or should i say it wouldn't work for us at BASICS at all .

Personally i don't want to restrict the people who make a late decision to come and see what we're about

That's easy to get round, at These old Shoes we just used to tell undesirables that it was members only and apologise. If they complained that nobody was showing cards we would just say that they didn't need to as we knew all the members.