Is it me or does something not look quite right about this

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Edited May 31, 200520 yr by Awake 502

Is it me or does something not look quite right about this

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Dodgy...very dodgy...looks (and sounds by the description) like the kind of 'acetate' that vinylcarvers in the UK produce....thick, flat vinyl with those small (smaller than US) labels.

USA haul, my eye.

Could be wrong but it doesn't look right.

Dodgy...very dodgy...looks (and sounds by the description) like the kind of 'acetate' that vinylcarvers in the UK produce....thick, flat vinyl with those small (smaller than US) labels.

USA haul, my eye. 

Could be wrong but it doesn't look right. 

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No you're right, it's exactly the same as vc's...

No you're right, it's exactly the same as vc's...

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got a full sail one - the coloured vinyl thing

if anyone interested in doing some swaps or ought on it

drop us a pm

just seeing if if frame thing works with ebay

may slow/f*ck up page - let us know if get grief

doesn't slow mine down mike

will affect non broadband i spose?

Looks like VC's to me too. Anyone ever seen a vinyl 'acetate' from the states? Studio discs sure, but not one like this. Would the VC's type of disc been available in 70's/80's? I think not.

Original studio acetates not made for DJ use either.

Saw it when it first came on. Laughed it off at first but it seems a few folks have fallen for it. Best thing might be to mail the guys at vcs and ask if they remember pressing them. Doubt they will though what with all hte orders from Smiffyland

Looks like VC's to me too. Anyone ever seen a vinyl 'acetate' from the states? Studio discs sure, but not one like this. Would the VC's type of disc been available in 70's/80's? I think not.

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KSL radio ???

Aren't all US radio stations 4 letters, WTMP, WRXB etc..... ??

Saw it when it first came on. Laughed it off at first but it seems a few folks have fallen for it. Best thing might be to mail the guys at vcs and ask if they remember pressing them. Doubt they will though what with all hte orders from Smiffyland

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I've sent them the link and asked them if they remember doing it...then again, like you say, they must do an awful lot. They did 10 for me today and they were all reggae.

Different one up now.... track by Sean Oliver.... Modern Soul.... similar markings etc

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...4728335314&rd=1

Dodgy or what!

definately a scam, has anyone mailed him?

ouch!

He has been a busy little boy, with his "Junior post office' stamping set!

Time for a 'soulsource' takedown?

He has been a busy little boy, with his "Junior post office' stamping set!

Time for a 'soulsource' takedown?

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Absoloutely. I'm in.

Ok I'm gonna mail the winners with a link to this page, and a link to VC's and let 'em decide for themselves!

Fancy mailing the guy himself, Pete?

According to the Funk 45 site

Family of Eve recorded Please be Truthful as the b Side

label: jeree eve

ref.: 1740

a-side: i want to be loved by you and was originally released in 1977

BBE have issued it on 12" in 2000 and again recently. PBT is on the B side of one of the releases.

I believe both sides are on Keb Darge's Legendary Deep Funk, Vol. 1

A 45 of it went for $298 in 2003

Listen to it here

Family of Eve

KSL 1160 is a radio station in Utah , currently like many AM station it's news/talk but possibly was a music station in 1977.

Edited May 31, 200520 yr by FrankM

Funnily enough said items have been removed from sale now.....

Ok I'm gonna mail the winners with a link to this page, and a link to VC's and let 'em decide for themselves!

Fancy mailing the guy himself, Pete?

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Yeah I'll email him. I already emailed the German guy who won Ujima.

Yeah I'll email him. I already emailed the German guy who won Ujima.

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Good on 'ya...was about to do the same.

Jesus f***, that Ujima's an especially nasty one, though!

Interesting he's done his homework on the Sean Oliver, what with the CKUA relating to a Canadian Radio station out of Calgary and the Boomtang label being from Toronto.

Appears he's not that clueless (even though by his actions that's what he's assuming everyone else is)...must be just a tw*t, then

Good on 'ya...was about to do the same.

Jesus f***, that Ujima's an especially nasty one, though! 

Interesting he's done his homework on the Sean Oliver, what with the CKUA relating to a Canadian Radio station out of Calgary and the Boomtang label being from Toronto. 

Appears he's not that clueless (even though by his actions that's what he's assuming everyone else is)...must be just a tw*t, then

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Either that or the person who sold them to him knew what they were doing?

He might have picked them up off someone in the States.... its not impossible that someone over there could be having them cut and selling them on to idiots in the UK

Good on 'ya...was about to do the same.

Jesus f***, that Ujima's an especially nasty one, though! 

Interesting he's done his homework on the Sean Oliver, what with the CKUA relating to a Canadian Radio station out of Calgary and the Boomtang label being from Toronto. 

Appears he's not that clueless (even though by his actions that's what he's assuming everyone else is)...must be just a tw*t, then

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same guy who was earlier this year flogging diy modern cds on ebay

description of f of eve almost identical

(pete b - remember?)

that time around had his full name and address on his descriptions

but they're been pulled now

listing was still knocking around in email box

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Description

THIS HAS TO BE THE FINEST COLLECTION OF NORTHERN / MODERN SOUL TRACKS

ON ONE CD................EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WILL LIST TRACKS AND A LITTLE INFO OF EACH TRACK

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

INCLUDING ---

1 --MARVIN GAYE -- WHERE ARE WE GOING -- MEGA HUGE TUNE ON THE MODERN

SCENE

FIRST PLAYED AT FLEETWOOD SOUL WEEKENDER BY DJ RICHARD SEARLING

2 --JEFFREE -- LOVE LORN -- UPTEMPO FLOORFILLER AWESOME , JUST

AWESOME

3 --GEORGE BENSON -- WHEN LOVE CALLS -- MASSIVE DANCER , FIRST PLAYED

BY DJ

TERRY JONES ..THIS TRACK WAS ONLY ON A VERY RARE GERMAN INPORT CD

4 -- FAMILY OF EVE -- PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL -- MASSIVE KEB DARGE TUNE FROM

THE

STAFFORD DAYS ..BRILLIANT !!!!!!!!

5 -- TOMMY SIMMS -- WHERE YOU GO -- CRACKIN MODERN DANCER CD ONLY

TRACK !!!

6 -- PHYLIS HYMAN -- TELL ME WHAT YOUR GONNA DO -- WONDERUL TRACK ,

TAKEN

OFF VERY RARE U.S CD CD TRACK ONLY

7 -- R.KELLY -- UP AND OUTTA HERE -- HUGE MODERN SOUL FLOORFILLER

PLAYED BY

DJ MIKE STEVENS / TERRY JONES OFF SHAFT SOUNDTRACK

8 -- ALI OLLI WOODSON -- DRAMA IN THE BEDROOM -- LOVELY TWO STEP MOVER

9 -- REA & CHRISTIAN feat/ VERDA -- SPELLBOUND -- MASSIVE , MASSIVE ,

MASSIVE

10 - SEAN OLIVER -- YOU AND ME -- ONE OF THE BIGGEST MODERN SOUL TUNES

EVER

11 - MAXWELL -- ACCENSSION -- ULTIMATE MODERN SOUL , PLAYED BY DJ ANDY

DAVIS

12 - BOBBY REED - TIME IS RIGHT FOR LOVE -- THE BEST SOUL TUNE EVER

13 - RANCE ALLAN GROUP - REASONS TO SURVIVE -- TOP CROSSOVER CHOOOOOON

14 RON MATLOCK - I CANT FORGET ABOUT YOU -- FASNTASTIC , ALBUM TRACK

ONLY

15 - BELOYD - GET INTO MY LIFE -- FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC ,

FANTASTIC ,

THIS CD ISNT ON PUBLIC SALE .......

THE TUNES LISTED WOULD NOW COST A KINGS RANSOM...THATS IF YOU COULD FIND

THEM OF COURSE..................................

I HAVE PUT THIS TOGETHER ONTO CD OUT OF MY OWN COLLECTION....

SOUND QUALITY IS A1.......

Funnily enough said items have been removed from sale now.....

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Yep, they've gone! Now all we need is a mail from the buyers, saying they refused to pay, thanks for the info, and our good deed for the week is complete!

Don't it give you a warm fuzzy feelin' all over!

Well done chaps

According to the Funk 45 site

Family of Eve recorded Please be Truthful as the b Side

label: jeree eve

ref.: 1740

a-side: i want to be loved by you and was originally released in 1977

BBE have issued it on 12" in 2000 and again recently. PBT is on the B side of one of the releases.

First played by Arthur Fenn around 1980, remember buying it when still covered up....

Do you think the staining is Nescaffe or Kencoe

If you were going to do a "test press", just to check, wouldn't it be a good idea to do one of "a shoulder to lean on", you know the record you're intending to 'push' and press up several hundred double-sided white demos for distribution to radio stations etc in a few hour time?

Yep, they've gone!   Now all we need is a mail from the buyers, saying they refused to pay, thanks for the info, and our good deed for the week is complete!

Don't it give you a warm fuzzy feelin' all over!    

Well done chaps

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Hi,

I am the "lucky winner" of the Ujima record.

First of all, thanks for your messages!

I already paid for this item and received it, but having done so via paypal, i still have options.

I have been aware of recentyl made acetates being sold as such, but selling some of those as originals...

I will keep you guys up to date through this forum, especially the sellers' reply to my mail to him should be interesting... :angry:

Cheers,

Stefan

Just received this:

hi there, many thanks for your message. pete Smith also informed me plus a german friend of mine. I typed to the seller, but I don't think he will have good reasons to convince me I wasn't ripped off by him. I paid via paypal and as far as I know I still can cancel this payment, although I won't get back the complete sum. I will wait for the sellers' reply, but I'll cancel the payment anyway, it looks very obvious now... Cheers, Stefan

Looks like we have a result!

Soulsource-1 ripoff-0

Edited May 31, 200520 yr by Trevski

Just received this:

hi there, many thanks for your message. pete Smith also informed me plus a german friend of mine. I typed to the seller, but I don't think he will have good reasons to convince me I wasn't ripped off by him. I paid via paypal and as far as I know I still can cancel this payment, although I won't get back the complete sum. I will wait for the sellers' reply, but I'll cancel the payment anyway, it looks very obvious now... Cheers, Stefan

Looks like we have a result!

Soulsource-1 ripoff-0 

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....at halftime...the game should be called over when I have the money back

....at halftime...the game should be called over when I have the money back

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Good to have you aboard!

Yes, will need the money back for full time result, hope it doesn't go to penalties

Keep us posted on the situation

Good to have you aboard!

Yes, will need the money back for full time result, hope it doesn't go to penalties

Keep us posted on the situation

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germans are not too bad at penalty shooting..

Seriously, I am pretty eager to hear what the seller has to say about this,

I'll keep you informed

Cheers,

Stefan

Ok I'm gonna mail the winners with a link to this page, and a link to VC's and let 'em decide for themselves!

Fancy mailing the guy himself, Pete?

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I mailed the "Family of Eve" winner, see if he replies...

same guy who was earlier this year  flogging diy modern cds on ebay

description of f of eve almost identical

(pete b - remember?)

that time around had his full name and address on his descriptions

but they're been pulled now

listing was still knocking around in email box

**************************

Description   

THIS HAS TO BE THE FINEST COLLECTION OF NORTHERN / MODERN SOUL TRACKS

ON ONE CD................EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WILL LIST TRACKS AND A LITTLE INFO OF EACH TRACK 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

INCLUDING ---

1 --MARVIN GAYE --  WHERE ARE WE GOING --  MEGA HUGE TUNE ON THE MODERN

SCENE

FIRST PLAYED AT FLEETWOOD SOUL WEEKENDER BY  DJ  RICHARD SEARLING 

2  --JEFFREE --  LOVE LORN  --  UPTEMPO FLOORFILLER  AWESOME  , JUST

AWESOME

3 --GEORGE BENSON --  WHEN LOVE CALLS --  MASSIVE DANCER , FIRST PLAYED

BY DJ

TERRY JONES  ..THIS TRACK WAS ONLY ON A VERY RARE GERMAN INPORT CD

4 -- FAMILY OF EVE -- PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL -- MASSIVE KEB DARGE TUNE FROM

THE

STAFFORD DAYS  ..BRILLIANT !!!!!!!!

5 -- TOMMY SIMMS -- WHERE YOU GO -- CRACKIN MODERN DANCER  CD ONLY

TRACK !!!

6 -- PHYLIS HYMAN -- TELL ME WHAT YOUR GONNA DO --  WONDERUL TRACK  ,

TAKEN

OFF  VERY RARE U.S CD    CD TRACK ONLY

7 -- R.KELLY -- UP AND OUTTA HERE -- HUGE MODERN SOUL FLOORFILLER

PLAYED BY

DJ MIKE STEVENS / TERRY JONES  OFF SHAFT SOUNDTRACK

8 -- ALI OLLI WOODSON -- DRAMA IN THE BEDROOM --  LOVELY TWO STEP MOVER

9 -- REA & CHRISTIAN feat/ VERDA -- SPELLBOUND -- MASSIVE , MASSIVE ,

MASSIVE

10 - SEAN OLIVER -- YOU AND ME  -- ONE OF THE BIGGEST MODERN SOUL TUNES

EVER

11 - MAXWELL -- ACCENSSION -- ULTIMATE MODERN SOUL , PLAYED BY DJ ANDY

DAVIS

12 - BOBBY REED - TIME IS RIGHT FOR LOVE -- THE BEST SOUL TUNE EVER

13 - RANCE ALLAN GROUP - REASONS TO SURVIVE -- TOP CROSSOVER CHOOOOOON

14 RON MATLOCK - I CANT FORGET ABOUT YOU -- FASNTASTIC , ALBUM TRACK

ONLY

15 - BELOYD - GET INTO MY LIFE -- FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC ,

FANTASTIC ,

THIS CD ISNT ON PUBLIC SALE  .......

THE TUNES LISTED WOULD NOW COST A KINGS RANSOM...THATS IF YOU COULD FIND

THEM OF COURSE..................................

I HAVE PUT THIS TOGETHER ONTO CD  OUT OF MY OWN COLLECTION....

SOUND QUALITY IS A1.......

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F**kin hell Mike you have a good memory

I did pick up on these dodgy cd's and bring it to the attention of the Modern list at the time.Surely this guy must be well known,he's obviously got a good knowledge of Northern and Modern.He's from Preston. He does turn over some nice modern stuff.LP's mainly.

The Ujima OUCH,he did well there.but the Sean Oliver puzzles me,ok the 12" goes for a few quid,but you can get the CD with it on and also Magic which is infinitely better than You and Me.

I will watch this space

Pete

Reply from Vinyl Carvers

hi Pete,

just had a look at it - this sounds a bit dodgy indeed!

we don't know if we cut it, just checked his ebay id - never heard from this guy

judging from the label it does look like one of ours

our labels are smaller than normal sized ones

we had them made for us but also supplied them our friend who built our lathe - so he is selling them to other people

there are already a few other machines in europe, also in the uk

and two of the uk people already threw in the towel before they've managed to produce a single good record

our technology is quite new, the oldest records are about 5 years old now

before that it was only acetates, no vinyl

he said he bought it from the states

there's no machine in the states yet, we know that for sure

we did a few cuts for customers from the states, even for radio stations

but definitely no soul music

he only got 50 quid for it - hopefully the person who bought it will identify it as 'too new'

we're not into soul and don't know the tunes by name

but we'll keep an eye on his future auctions as he bought a 'huge haul of testpressings'

4 -- FAMILY OF EVE -- PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL -- MASSIVE KEB DARGE TUNE FROM

THE

STAFFORD DAYS  ..BRILLIANT !!!!!!!!

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I had someone try to tell me this at the 100 club one night. Not on this site so I wont name him.

He spent most of the evening trying to convince me that Keb was playing 'deep funk', at Stafford.

If I had more confidence in my terrible memory I might have said 'I think if I had asked Keb to play any funk at Stafford, I'd have got a mouthful of abuse and the only words I would have understood would have been Off, Wee and Bastard'.

Good work lads. These rip off merchants need castrating without anaesthetic.

Awake 502 is dead right - Arthur hit this one well before Stafford, I think he may well have found it when he went to the USA with Sam in 1980ish - and Arthur covered the group for us in an old Blackbeat as I recall. - Sorry to be the harbinger of such bad news darlings, but Keb only played it much later

Dodgy or what!

definately a scam, has anyone mailed him?

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I mailed him about them he mailed me back saying he wasn,t sure about them and is withdrawing them there is a story in itself !!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited June 1, 200520 yr by P5OULH

Good work lads. These rip off merchants need castrating without anaesthetic.

Awake 502 is dead right - Arthur hit this one well before Stafford, I think he may well have found it when he went to the USA with Sam in 1980ish - and Arthur covered the group for us in an old Blackbeat as I recall. - Sorry to be the harbinger of such bad news darlings, but Keb only played it much later 

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Spot on Steve,

Very very early eighties, was covered up for ages, mainly on Sam and Arthurs

'Modern Soul' scene. Awake 502 probably got his copy where I got mine - Dave Raistrick- and it was still covered then (1983 ?) Played at Cleethorpes niters and gathered a few plays at Clifton Hall (although with little success)

Dave R was finding quite a few good seventies things at that time, Timeless Legend

24 Karat Gold (Donna Washington cover up) etc

It never came out in Jamaica though

Steve

Good to have you aboard!

Yes, will need the money back for full time result, hope it doesn't go to penalties

Keep us posted on the situation

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Hi folks,

it looks like everything will turn out fine.

The seller agreed to take back the record and refund it.

It has to be said that my impression on all this is that this has NOT been an attempt to rip people off, the seller acted in good faith!!

I had my doubts about the authenticity of this record, but only after I read your comments it would look a bit dodgy and so on...

So, the deal will be cancelled and there are no real winners in this deal.

That is all I have to say on this topic,

the most important words, of course, are:

thanks to everyone being helpful!

I really appreciate it

Cheers,

Stefan

Hi folks,

So, the deal will be cancelled and there are no real winners in this deal.

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Dunno, looks like Germany wins on a lucky penalty again!

Good to hear your getting the cash back, Stefan

Edited June 2, 200520 yr by Trevski

7 -- R.KELLY -- UP AND OUTTA HERE -- HUGE MODERN SOUL FLOORFILLER

PLAYED BY

Not released on plastic,thats what i`m lead to believe!if so why have i got 12"promo.

7 -- R.KELLY -- UP AND OUTTA HERE -- HUGE MODERN SOUL FLOORFILLER

PLAYED BY

Not released on plastic,thats what i`m lead to believe!if so why have i got 12"promo.

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Yes it did come out on vinyl it`s on the Shaft soundtrack Lp from a few years back

Dave f............