Guest Awake 502 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 (edited) Is it me or does something not look quite right about this Ebay Edited May 31, 2005 by Awake 502 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jason S Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Is it me or does something not look quite right about this Ebay link Dodgy...very dodgy...looks (and sounds by the description) like the kind of 'acetate' that vinylcarvers in the UK produce....thick, flat vinyl with those small (smaller than US) labels. USA haul, my eye. Could be wrong but it doesn't look right. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Dodgy...very dodgy...looks (and sounds by the description) like the kind of 'acetate' that vinylcarvers in the UK produce....thick, flat vinyl with those small (smaller than US) labels. USA haul, my eye. Could be wrong but it doesn't look right. link No you're right, it's exactly the same as vc's... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 No you're right, it's exactly the same as vc's... link got a full sail one - the coloured vinyl thing if anyone interested in doing some swaps or ought on it drop us a pm Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 just seeing if if frame thing works with ebay may slow/f*ck up page - let us know if get grief Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 doesn't slow mine down mike will affect non broadband i spose? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Looks like VC's to me too. Anyone ever seen a vinyl 'acetate' from the states? Studio discs sure, but not one like this. Would the VC's type of disc been available in 70's/80's? I think not. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Original studio acetates not made for DJ use either. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Saw it when it first came on. Laughed it off at first but it seems a few folks have fallen for it. Best thing might be to mail the guys at vcs and ask if they remember pressing them. Doubt they will though what with all hte orders from Smiffyland Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Awake 502 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Looks like VC's to me too. Anyone ever seen a vinyl 'acetate' from the states? Studio discs sure, but not one like this. Would the VC's type of disc been available in 70's/80's? I think not. link KSL radio ??? Aren't all US radio stations 4 letters, WTMP, WRXB etc..... ?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Saw it when it first came on. Laughed it off at first but it seems a few folks have fallen for it. Best thing might be to mail the guys at vcs and ask if they remember pressing them. Doubt they will though what with all hte orders from Smiffyland link I've sent them the link and asked them if they remember doing it...then again, like you say, they must do an awful lot. They did 10 for me today and they were all reggae. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Different one up now.... track by Sean Oliver.... Modern Soul.... similar markings etc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...4728335314&rd=1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Dodgy or what! definately a scam, has anyone mailed him? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 ouch! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 He has been a busy little boy, with his "Junior post office' stamping set! Time for a 'soulsource' takedown? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 He has been a busy little boy, with his "Junior post office' stamping set! Time for a 'soulsource' takedown? link Absoloutely. I'm in. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Ok I'm gonna mail the winners with a link to this page, and a link to VC's and let 'em decide for themselves! Fancy mailing the guy himself, Pete? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
FrankM Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 (edited) According to the Funk 45 site Family of Eve recorded Please be Truthful as the b Side label: jeree eve ref.: 1740 a-side: i want to be loved by you and was originally released in 1977 BBE have issued it on 12" in 2000 and again recently. PBT is on the B side of one of the releases. I believe both sides are on Keb Darge's Legendary Deep Funk, Vol. 1 A 45 of it went for $298 in 2003 Listen to it here Family of Eve KSL 1160 is a radio station in Utah , currently like many AM station it's news/talk but possibly was a music station in 1977. Edited May 31, 2005 by FrankM Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Funnily enough said items have been removed from sale now..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Ok I'm gonna mail the winners with a link to this page, and a link to VC's and let 'em decide for themselves! Fancy mailing the guy himself, Pete? link Yeah I'll email him. I already emailed the German guy who won Ujima. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jason S Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Yeah I'll email him. I already emailed the German guy who won Ujima. link Good on 'ya...was about to do the same. Jesus f***, that Ujima's an especially nasty one, though! Interesting he's done his homework on the Sean Oliver, what with the CKUA relating to a Canadian Radio station out of Calgary and the Boomtang label being from Toronto. Appears he's not that clueless (even though by his actions that's what he's assuming everyone else is)...must be just a tw*t, then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Good on 'ya...was about to do the same. Jesus f***, that Ujima's an especially nasty one, though! Interesting he's done his homework on the Sean Oliver, what with the CKUA relating to a Canadian Radio station out of Calgary and the Boomtang label being from Toronto. Appears he's not that clueless (even though by his actions that's what he's assuming everyone else is)...must be just a tw*t, then link Either that or the person who sold them to him knew what they were doing? He might have picked them up off someone in the States.... its not impossible that someone over there could be having them cut and selling them on to idiots in the UK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Good on 'ya...was about to do the same. Jesus f***, that Ujima's an especially nasty one, though! Interesting he's done his homework on the Sean Oliver, what with the CKUA relating to a Canadian Radio station out of Calgary and the Boomtang label being from Toronto. Appears he's not that clueless (even though by his actions that's what he's assuming everyone else is)...must be just a tw*t, then link same guy who was earlier this year flogging diy modern cds on ebay description of f of eve almost identical (pete b - remember?) that time around had his full name and address on his descriptions but they're been pulled now listing was still knocking around in email box ************************** Description THIS HAS TO BE THE FINEST COLLECTION OF NORTHERN / MODERN SOUL TRACKS ON ONE CD................EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL LIST TRACKS AND A LITTLE INFO OF EACH TRACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INCLUDING --- 1 --MARVIN GAYE -- WHERE ARE WE GOING -- MEGA HUGE TUNE ON THE MODERN SCENE FIRST PLAYED AT FLEETWOOD SOUL WEEKENDER BY DJ RICHARD SEARLING 2 --JEFFREE -- LOVE LORN -- UPTEMPO FLOORFILLER AWESOME , JUST AWESOME 3 --GEORGE BENSON -- WHEN LOVE CALLS -- MASSIVE DANCER , FIRST PLAYED BY DJ TERRY JONES ..THIS TRACK WAS ONLY ON A VERY RARE GERMAN INPORT CD 4 -- FAMILY OF EVE -- PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL -- MASSIVE KEB DARGE TUNE FROM THE STAFFORD DAYS ..BRILLIANT !!!!!!!! 5 -- TOMMY SIMMS -- WHERE YOU GO -- CRACKIN MODERN DANCER CD ONLY TRACK !!! 6 -- PHYLIS HYMAN -- TELL ME WHAT YOUR GONNA DO -- WONDERUL TRACK , TAKEN OFF VERY RARE U.S CD CD TRACK ONLY 7 -- R.KELLY -- UP AND OUTTA HERE -- HUGE MODERN SOUL FLOORFILLER PLAYED BY DJ MIKE STEVENS / TERRY JONES OFF SHAFT SOUNDTRACK 8 -- ALI OLLI WOODSON -- DRAMA IN THE BEDROOM -- LOVELY TWO STEP MOVER 9 -- REA & CHRISTIAN feat/ VERDA -- SPELLBOUND -- MASSIVE , MASSIVE , MASSIVE 10 - SEAN OLIVER -- YOU AND ME -- ONE OF THE BIGGEST MODERN SOUL TUNES EVER 11 - MAXWELL -- ACCENSSION -- ULTIMATE MODERN SOUL , PLAYED BY DJ ANDY DAVIS 12 - BOBBY REED - TIME IS RIGHT FOR LOVE -- THE BEST SOUL TUNE EVER 13 - RANCE ALLAN GROUP - REASONS TO SURVIVE -- TOP CROSSOVER CHOOOOOON 14 RON MATLOCK - I CANT FORGET ABOUT YOU -- FASNTASTIC , ALBUM TRACK ONLY 15 - BELOYD - GET INTO MY LIFE -- FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC , THIS CD ISNT ON PUBLIC SALE ....... THE TUNES LISTED WOULD NOW COST A KINGS RANSOM...THATS IF YOU COULD FIND THEM OF COURSE.................................. I HAVE PUT THIS TOGETHER ONTO CD OUT OF MY OWN COLLECTION.... SOUND QUALITY IS A1....... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Funnily enough said items have been removed from sale now..... link Yep, they've gone! Now all we need is a mail from the buyers, saying they refused to pay, thanks for the info, and our good deed for the week is complete! Don't it give you a warm fuzzy feelin' all over! Well done chaps Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Awake 502 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 According to the Funk 45 site Family of Eve recorded Please be Truthful as the b Side label: jeree eve ref.: 1740 a-side: i want to be loved by you and was originally released in 1977 BBE have issued it on 12" in 2000 and again recently. PBT is on the B side of one of the releases. First played by Arthur Fenn around 1980, remember buying it when still covered up.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Do you think the staining is Nescaffe or Kencoe Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 If you were going to do a "test press", just to check, wouldn't it be a good idea to do one of "a shoulder to lean on", you know the record you're intending to 'push' and press up several hundred double-sided white demos for distribution to radio stations etc in a few hour time? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest stromberg Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Yep, they've gone! Now all we need is a mail from the buyers, saying they refused to pay, thanks for the info, and our good deed for the week is complete! Don't it give you a warm fuzzy feelin' all over! Well done chaps link Hi, I am the "lucky winner" of the Ujima record. First of all, thanks for your messages! I already paid for this item and received it, but having done so via paypal, i still have options. I have been aware of recentyl made acetates being sold as such, but selling some of those as originals... I will keep you guys up to date through this forum, especially the sellers' reply to my mail to him should be interesting... :angry: Cheers, Stefan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 (edited) Just received this: hi there, many thanks for your message. pete Smith also informed me plus a german friend of mine. I typed to the seller, but I don't think he will have good reasons to convince me I wasn't ripped off by him. I paid via paypal and as far as I know I still can cancel this payment, although I won't get back the complete sum. I will wait for the sellers' reply, but I'll cancel the payment anyway, it looks very obvious now... Cheers, Stefan Looks like we have a result! Soulsource-1 ripoff-0 Edited May 31, 2005 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest stromberg Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Just received this: hi there, many thanks for your message. pete Smith also informed me plus a german friend of mine. I typed to the seller, but I don't think he will have good reasons to convince me I wasn't ripped off by him. I paid via paypal and as far as I know I still can cancel this payment, although I won't get back the complete sum. I will wait for the sellers' reply, but I'll cancel the payment anyway, it looks very obvious now... Cheers, Stefan Looks like we have a result! Soulsource-1 ripoff-0 link ....at halftime...the game should be called over when I have the money back Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 ....at halftime...the game should be called over when I have the money back link Good to have you aboard! Yes, will need the money back for full time result, hope it doesn't go to penalties Keep us posted on the situation Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest stromberg Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Good to have you aboard! Yes, will need the money back for full time result, hope it doesn't go to penalties Keep us posted on the situation link germans are not too bad at penalty shooting.. Seriously, I am pretty eager to hear what the seller has to say about this, I'll keep you informed Cheers, Stefan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Awake 502 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Ok I'm gonna mail the winners with a link to this page, and a link to VC's and let 'em decide for themselves! Fancy mailing the guy himself, Pete? link I mailed the "Family of Eve" winner, see if he replies... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Petebangor Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 same guy who was earlier this year flogging diy modern cds on ebay description of f of eve almost identical (pete b - remember?) that time around had his full name and address on his descriptions but they're been pulled now listing was still knocking around in email box ************************** Description THIS HAS TO BE THE FINEST COLLECTION OF NORTHERN / MODERN SOUL TRACKS ON ONE CD................EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL LIST TRACKS AND A LITTLE INFO OF EACH TRACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INCLUDING --- 1 --MARVIN GAYE -- WHERE ARE WE GOING -- MEGA HUGE TUNE ON THE MODERN SCENE FIRST PLAYED AT FLEETWOOD SOUL WEEKENDER BY DJ RICHARD SEARLING 2 --JEFFREE -- LOVE LORN -- UPTEMPO FLOORFILLER AWESOME , JUST AWESOME 3 --GEORGE BENSON -- WHEN LOVE CALLS -- MASSIVE DANCER , FIRST PLAYED BY DJ TERRY JONES ..THIS TRACK WAS ONLY ON A VERY RARE GERMAN INPORT CD 4 -- FAMILY OF EVE -- PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL -- MASSIVE KEB DARGE TUNE FROM THE STAFFORD DAYS ..BRILLIANT !!!!!!!! 5 -- TOMMY SIMMS -- WHERE YOU GO -- CRACKIN MODERN DANCER CD ONLY TRACK !!! 6 -- PHYLIS HYMAN -- TELL ME WHAT YOUR GONNA DO -- WONDERUL TRACK , TAKEN OFF VERY RARE U.S CD CD TRACK ONLY 7 -- R.KELLY -- UP AND OUTTA HERE -- HUGE MODERN SOUL FLOORFILLER PLAYED BY DJ MIKE STEVENS / TERRY JONES OFF SHAFT SOUNDTRACK 8 -- ALI OLLI WOODSON -- DRAMA IN THE BEDROOM -- LOVELY TWO STEP MOVER 9 -- REA & CHRISTIAN feat/ VERDA -- SPELLBOUND -- MASSIVE , MASSIVE , MASSIVE 10 - SEAN OLIVER -- YOU AND ME -- ONE OF THE BIGGEST MODERN SOUL TUNES EVER 11 - MAXWELL -- ACCENSSION -- ULTIMATE MODERN SOUL , PLAYED BY DJ ANDY DAVIS 12 - BOBBY REED - TIME IS RIGHT FOR LOVE -- THE BEST SOUL TUNE EVER 13 - RANCE ALLAN GROUP - REASONS TO SURVIVE -- TOP CROSSOVER CHOOOOOON 14 RON MATLOCK - I CANT FORGET ABOUT YOU -- FASNTASTIC , ALBUM TRACK ONLY 15 - BELOYD - GET INTO MY LIFE -- FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC , FANTASTIC , THIS CD ISNT ON PUBLIC SALE ....... THE TUNES LISTED WOULD NOW COST A KINGS RANSOM...THATS IF YOU COULD FIND THEM OF COURSE.................................. I HAVE PUT THIS TOGETHER ONTO CD OUT OF MY OWN COLLECTION.... SOUND QUALITY IS A1....... link F**kin hell Mike you have a good memory I did pick up on these dodgy cd's and bring it to the attention of the Modern list at the time.Surely this guy must be well known,he's obviously got a good knowledge of Northern and Modern.He's from Preston. He does turn over some nice modern stuff.LP's mainly. The Ujima OUCH,he did well there.but the Sean Oliver puzzles me,ok the 12" goes for a few quid,but you can get the CD with it on and also Magic which is infinitely better than You and Me. I will watch this space Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Reply from Vinyl Carvers hi Pete, just had a look at it - this sounds a bit dodgy indeed! we don't know if we cut it, just checked his ebay id - never heard from this guy judging from the label it does look like one of ours our labels are smaller than normal sized ones we had them made for us but also supplied them our friend who built our lathe - so he is selling them to other people there are already a few other machines in europe, also in the uk and two of the uk people already threw in the towel before they've managed to produce a single good record our technology is quite new, the oldest records are about 5 years old now before that it was only acetates, no vinyl he said he bought it from the states there's no machine in the states yet, we know that for sure we did a few cuts for customers from the states, even for radio stations but definitely no soul music he only got 50 quid for it - hopefully the person who bought it will identify it as 'too new' we're not into soul and don't know the tunes by name but we'll keep an eye on his future auctions as he bought a 'huge haul of testpressings' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 4 -- FAMILY OF EVE -- PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL -- MASSIVE KEB DARGE TUNE FROM THE STAFFORD DAYS ..BRILLIANT !!!!!!!! link I had someone try to tell me this at the 100 club one night. Not on this site so I wont name him. He spent most of the evening trying to convince me that Keb was playing 'deep funk', at Stafford. If I had more confidence in my terrible memory I might have said 'I think if I had asked Keb to play any funk at Stafford, I'd have got a mouthful of abuse and the only words I would have understood would have been Off, Wee and Bastard'. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Good work lads. These rip off merchants need castrating without anaesthetic. Awake 502 is dead right - Arthur hit this one well before Stafford, I think he may well have found it when he went to the USA with Sam in 1980ish - and Arthur covered the group for us in an old Blackbeat as I recall. - Sorry to be the harbinger of such bad news darlings, but Keb only played it much later Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
P5OULH Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 (edited) Dodgy or what! definately a scam, has anyone mailed him? link I mailed him about them he mailed me back saying he wasn,t sure about them and is withdrawing them there is a story in itself !!!!!!!!!!!! Edited June 1, 2005 by P5OULH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Good work lads. These rip off merchants need castrating without anaesthetic. Awake 502 is dead right - Arthur hit this one well before Stafford, I think he may well have found it when he went to the USA with Sam in 1980ish - and Arthur covered the group for us in an old Blackbeat as I recall. - Sorry to be the harbinger of such bad news darlings, but Keb only played it much later link Spot on Steve, Very very early eighties, was covered up for ages, mainly on Sam and Arthurs 'Modern Soul' scene. Awake 502 probably got his copy where I got mine - Dave Raistrick- and it was still covered then (1983 ?) Played at Cleethorpes niters and gathered a few plays at Clifton Hall (although with little success) Dave R was finding quite a few good seventies things at that time, Timeless Legend 24 Karat Gold (Donna Washington cover up) etc It never came out in Jamaica though Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest stromberg Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Good to have you aboard! Yes, will need the money back for full time result, hope it doesn't go to penalties Keep us posted on the situation link Hi folks, it looks like everything will turn out fine. The seller agreed to take back the record and refund it. It has to be said that my impression on all this is that this has NOT been an attempt to rip people off, the seller acted in good faith!! I had my doubts about the authenticity of this record, but only after I read your comments it would look a bit dodgy and so on... So, the deal will be cancelled and there are no real winners in this deal. That is all I have to say on this topic, the most important words, of course, are: thanks to everyone being helpful! I really appreciate it Cheers, Stefan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Trevski Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) Hi folks, So, the deal will be cancelled and there are no real winners in this deal. link Dunno, looks like Germany wins on a lucky penalty again! Good to hear your getting the cash back, Stefan Edited June 2, 2005 by Trevski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 7 -- R.KELLY -- UP AND OUTTA HERE -- HUGE MODERN SOUL FLOORFILLER PLAYED BY Not released on plastic,thats what i`m lead to believe!if so why have i got 12"promo. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 7 -- R.KELLY -- UP AND OUTTA HERE -- HUGE MODERN SOUL FLOORFILLER PLAYED BY Not released on plastic,thats what i`m lead to believe!if so why have i got 12"promo. link Yes it did come out on vinyl it`s on the Shaft soundtrack Lp from a few years back Dave f............ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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