Sebastian

The demo is probably "worth" about £10 or thereabouts. The issue is about £3-£5.

In this PDF: https://www.classicurbanharmony.net/Del%20Larks%20Story%20edit.pdf ...the following info can be found: "One record by the Del Larks is hard to date. Sometime in the 1960's the Del Larks came out with a record called "Out of the In Crowd"Â on the Jet label. This time Ray Davis did the lead with Sammy Campbell doing the bridge and the ending. It's easy to suspect that this is an answer to Dobie Gray's "The In- Crowd,"Â except the Dobie Gray record came out in 1965 and Ray Davis left the Del Larks in 1963. In addition Ron Taylor said he remembered singing the song and he left the Del Larks in 1961. While the Del Larks recalled the song, they were not aware it ever came out. It's possible the Del Larks' song, which they didn't write, was shopped to Dobie Gray a few years later and changed into "The In Crowd"." Dave Flynn however writes this: https://www.anorakscorner.com/DiscReviews3.html The Del Larks - Out of the "In" Crowd - Jet 101 "What's this, another Del Larks record? OK, it's a different group using the same name, but with a legendary name (and obvious title) like that you'd think someone would've picked it up years ago? However, this title only surfaced in the late 90's, found by top vinyl dealer bloke, Adey Pierce. It was quickly snaffled up (from under my nose!) by Ady Croasdell, who immediately turned it into the 100 Club favourite that it is today. A second copy was unearthed which passed through a few hands but now resides with my badself! Now, it's nothing like "Job opening" at all, but is in fact a big New York production number that could have been on Musicor, Wand or United Artists and nestled nicely on a Kent LP compilation smack up Ady's avenue for sure! It's a real epic track with plenty of dramatic key changes and breaks, with strings, brass and chorus all playing their part in this tale of woe, under the eyes of Charles Callelo. I bet the promotional video would have been just like a scene from West Side Story! There are a few featured male vocalists within, of which the main one has a superb deep and rich voice that opens up proceedings with, "I'm out of the in-crowd, I don't know what, I wish you'd tell me just what a guy has to do, to be part of the group and start talking trash to you!" Wow, how hip and that's what the song is about, being hip, or rather how to be it as our chaps "Don't even know what's the latest dance", hence they're out of the in-crowd. Not a traditional Northern thumper, but more in the 6T's groove that really broke through during the mid to late 80's, and is a much loved division of the Northern Soul scene. Value wise a fair few hundred quid at least, and there's still but two copies known!"

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I think the seller means that he has had 5 copies over the past bunch of years. He lives in Flint, MI which is 8 miles from Mount Morris, MI where the Coconut Groove label is from so I guess he's found the 45s one at a time "in the wild". If you look at the 3 copies on PopSike that sold in 2004 (VG+), 2007 (VG+) and 2008 (G+) it is clear that at least two of those - if not all three - came from the same seller that sold the copy today. Same wording in the descriptions, same or very similar auction titles etc.

There's now about 3 days left on these auctions: https://www.ebay.com/sch/pushkings/m.html

It was also released on an EP in Portugal on the TECLA label with "Baby Don't You Weep" and "If You Need Me" by WP on one side and Otis Redding's "Pain In My Heart" and "These Arms Of Mine" on the other side. Nice art sleeve as well to that EP.

A lot of money for a recent pressing. Look at the typeface on the label. There's no chance in hell that this is an old record.

Yes, that is definitely the counterfeit/repro/bootleg.

Hello! I've listed a bunch of records on eBay. There are label/sleeve scans and soundclips to everything. Check them out at: https://www.ebay.com/sch/pushkings/m.html NORTHERN SOUL / MODERN SOUL / FUNK / R&B 45s: Wade Flemons ("Two Of A Kind" HOLY GRAIL!), Clarence Ashe (CURRENT cover-up!), Distance, Gary Toms Empire, Barbara & The Browns, Gary Ferguson, Joyce Williams, L. Leonard, Beta Bizarre Boogie Band, King Solomon ("Separation"!), Accents, Don Gardner, Banbarra, Billy Young, Hitchhikers, Khemistry, Gus The Groove Lewis, Jesus Alvarez, Trilark, Shuggie Otis, Wizdom, Roy Lee Johnson, William Bostic, Artistics, Horn Band, Basic Black & Pearl, Joe Frazier, Mickey & The Soul Generation, Momie-o, Ruby Andrews etc. SOUL / FUNK / JAZZ LPs: Toby Kang, S.O.U.L. ("What Is It"), Odyssey, Fumio Karashima, Sir Joe Quarterman (SEALED!), Preston Love & Shuggie Otis, Luther, Nana Vasconcelos, Rena Rama, Tequila, Bobby Callender, Marlena Shaw etc. BOOGIE / DISCO 12": Esther Williams ("Last Night Changed It All"), Dolette McDonald, Trinita, Zest ROCKSTEADY / SKA 45s: Derrick Morgan, Junior Smith, I Roy, Sugar Plums, Roy Shirley, Clement Bushay Set, Owen Grey etc. Thanks for looking! Take care. /Sebastian

I agree with everyone else on here, top stuff all the way!

Sounding good!

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What you have got there is definitely a vinyl copy, not styrene. It has got a moulded label. Please, post a picture of JD Jones as well. It would surprise me if there was more than one pressing of that 45, and the ones I've seen are on vinyl. But stranger things have happened.

J.D. Jones is pressed on vinyl as well, not styrene.

I have actually never ever seen a copy of this 45 pressed on styrene. All have been on vinyl. Can you throw up a scan or picture of your copy?

It was supposed to be... Ronnie & Robyn - As Long As You Love Me / Sidras Theme - GRAPEVINE GRP 137 ...but was never released.

Excatly. ORIGINAL: RE-PRESS

I don't know which came first, but neither the black print or brown print are bootlegs. As far as I know, the Bobby Copney 45 was the first release on TUFF which utilised the plain yellow/orange label. Previous releases from TUFF 402-413 had been on a multicoloured label with black print. I've only seen Bobby Copney with brown print on the label, so perhaps the following three 45s were also first released with brown print, but I don't know. Does Bobby Copney exist with black print? There seems to have been some confusion as whether to use brown or black print on the new plain yellow/orange label design and at least three of the releases exist with both brown and black print. Perhaps those three that exists with both black & brown print indeed were pressed slightly later due to demand, but have in mind that TUFF 419-421 exclusively seems to exist with black print (please, correct me if I'm wrong), and then 422 is again available with both black and brown print on the revived design that was earlier used for TUFF 369-401. So the time-span in which this all can have happened is limited. I've seen the following releases with: MULTICOLOURED LABEL WITH BLACK PRINT Tuff 413 - Landy McNeil - Hang Your Soul On Me / Show Me - 1965 YELLOW LABEL WITH BROWN PRINT Tuff 414 - Bobby Copney - Love Au-Go-Go / Ain't No Good - 1965 YELLOW LABEL WITH BROWN or BLACK PRINT Tuff 415 - Bobby Treetop -So Sweet, So Satisfying / Valentine - 1965 Tuff 417 - Bobby Treetop - Wait Till I Get To Know Ya / Valentine - 1965 Tuff 418 - E. Rodney Jones - R & B Time (Part 1) / R & B Time (Part 2) - 1965 WHITE PROMO ONLY (DOES AN ISSUE EXIST?) Tuff 416 - Ronnie Savoy - Pitfall / On The Spanish Side - 1965 YELLOW LABEL WITH BLACK PRINT Tuff 419 - Little Joe Roman -When You're Lonesome (Come On Home) / We Got A Love - ? Tuff 420 - Vicki Anderson - I Can't Stop Loving You / I Got A Good Man (And I Know It) - 1967 Tuff 421 - E. Rodney Jones - Peace Of Mind / Do The Thang - ? REVIVED "ROUND LOGO" LABEL WITH BROWN or BLACK PRINT Tuff 422 - Mickey & Larry & The Exciters - My One Chance To Make It / Reaper Of Rain - ?

So I guess it looks like the below two are the only variations: Tuff 415 - Bobby Treetop - So Sweet, So Satisfying / Valentine - 1965 Tuff 417 - Bobby Treetop - Wait Till I Get To Know Ya / Valentine - 1965 "R&B Time" or any kind of instrumental was never included as the b-side on the official releases of either of those 45s.

The reissue (bootleg?) of TUFF 417 has got "R&B Time" on the flipside. I have no idea whether it's the actual instrumental of "WTIGTKY" or if it's the E. Rodney Jones vocal that is included though. That's perhaps where the confusion comes from?

Archie Bell is a $5-$10 record at the very most. Don't pay more.

Haven't had time to listen yet. Which side of the Lori & Lance was played? I've seen it mentioned that Lori & Lance might be Victoria Williams and J.B. Ledbetter. Does anyone know if there is any truth to that? "I Don't Have To Worry" on the Federal 45 is written by Ledbetter and both the Federal 45 and the VW&JBL 45 on Verve are produced by Bobby Smith.

Do you know if this got a 45 release in the US? Have only ever seen the NZ issue.

It costs 72 NOK to send an LP from Norway to England. That's about 10. 12.10 is a bit high, but not as unreasonable as it might've seemed. When sending LPs from Sweden to Europe it costs me 92 SEK ($14) and 102 SEK ($15.50) to the rest of the world. Those are the actual shipping costs. Crazy. I only sell cheap LPs (£10 or less) to swedish customers nowadays.

Yes I did post them in refosoul. Got a lot of grief from especially Gavin Stearn about it who was going to write, and I quote, "to univesal and forwarding your posts so they can have you on a plate. hope they make an example of you"... so I asked Mike to take them down. It just wasn't worth the hassle. But anyone with even the most simple google skills could find those "stems" or "multitracks" as they are usually referred to as. They are all over the place.