Sebastian

Yes, that is definitely the counterfeit/repro/bootleg.

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I agree with everyone else on here, top stuff all the way!

Sounding good!

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What you have got there is definitely a vinyl copy, not styrene. It has got a moulded label. Please, post a picture of JD Jones as well. It would surprise me if there was more than one pressing of that 45, and the ones I've seen are on vinyl. But stranger things have happened.

J.D. Jones is pressed on vinyl as well, not styrene.

I have actually never ever seen a copy of this 45 pressed on styrene. All have been on vinyl. Can you throw up a scan or picture of your copy?

It was supposed to be... Ronnie & Robyn - As Long As You Love Me / Sidras Theme - GRAPEVINE GRP 137 ...but was never released.

Excatly. ORIGINAL: RE-PRESS

I don't know which came first, but neither the black print or brown print are bootlegs. As far as I know, the Bobby Copney 45 was the first release on TUFF which utilised the plain yellow/orange label. Previous releases from TUFF 402-413 had been on a multicoloured label with black print. I've only seen Bobby Copney with brown print on the label, so perhaps the following three 45s were also first released with brown print, but I don't know. Does Bobby Copney exist with black print? There seems to have been some confusion as whether to use brown or black print on the new plain yellow/orange label design and at least three of the releases exist with both brown and black print. Perhaps those three that exists with both black & brown print indeed were pressed slightly later due to demand, but have in mind that TUFF 419-421 exclusively seems to exist with black print (please, correct me if I'm wrong), and then 422 is again available with both black and brown print on the revived design that was earlier used for TUFF 369-401. So the time-span in which this all can have happened is limited. I've seen the following releases with: MULTICOLOURED LABEL WITH BLACK PRINT Tuff 413 - Landy McNeil - Hang Your Soul On Me / Show Me - 1965 YELLOW LABEL WITH BROWN PRINT Tuff 414 - Bobby Copney - Love Au-Go-Go / Ain't No Good - 1965 YELLOW LABEL WITH BROWN or BLACK PRINT Tuff 415 - Bobby Treetop -So Sweet, So Satisfying / Valentine - 1965 Tuff 417 - Bobby Treetop - Wait Till I Get To Know Ya / Valentine - 1965 Tuff 418 - E. Rodney Jones - R & B Time (Part 1) / R & B Time (Part 2) - 1965 WHITE PROMO ONLY (DOES AN ISSUE EXIST?) Tuff 416 - Ronnie Savoy - Pitfall / On The Spanish Side - 1965 YELLOW LABEL WITH BLACK PRINT Tuff 419 - Little Joe Roman -When You're Lonesome (Come On Home) / We Got A Love - ? Tuff 420 - Vicki Anderson - I Can't Stop Loving You / I Got A Good Man (And I Know It) - 1967 Tuff 421 - E. Rodney Jones - Peace Of Mind / Do The Thang - ? REVIVED "ROUND LOGO" LABEL WITH BROWN or BLACK PRINT Tuff 422 - Mickey & Larry & The Exciters - My One Chance To Make It / Reaper Of Rain - ?

So I guess it looks like the below two are the only variations: Tuff 415 - Bobby Treetop - So Sweet, So Satisfying / Valentine - 1965 Tuff 417 - Bobby Treetop - Wait Till I Get To Know Ya / Valentine - 1965 "R&B Time" or any kind of instrumental was never included as the b-side on the official releases of either of those 45s.

The reissue (bootleg?) of TUFF 417 has got "R&B Time" on the flipside. I have no idea whether it's the actual instrumental of "WTIGTKY" or if it's the E. Rodney Jones vocal that is included though. That's perhaps where the confusion comes from?

Archie Bell is a $5-$10 record at the very most. Don't pay more.

Haven't had time to listen yet. Which side of the Lori & Lance was played? I've seen it mentioned that Lori & Lance might be Victoria Williams and J.B. Ledbetter. Does anyone know if there is any truth to that? "I Don't Have To Worry" on the Federal 45 is written by Ledbetter and both the Federal 45 and the VW&JBL 45 on Verve are produced by Bobby Smith.

Do you know if this got a 45 release in the US? Have only ever seen the NZ issue.

It costs 72 NOK to send an LP from Norway to England. That's about 10. 12.10 is a bit high, but not as unreasonable as it might've seemed. When sending LPs from Sweden to Europe it costs me 92 SEK ($14) and 102 SEK ($15.50) to the rest of the world. Those are the actual shipping costs. Crazy. I only sell cheap LPs (£10 or less) to swedish customers nowadays.

Yes I did post them in refosoul. Got a lot of grief from especially Gavin Stearn about it who was going to write, and I quote, "to univesal and forwarding your posts so they can have you on a plate. hope they make an example of you"... so I asked Mike to take them down. It just wasn't worth the hassle. But anyone with even the most simple google skills could find those "stems" or "multitracks" as they are usually referred to as. They are all over the place.

A couple of years back I got ahold of the full 8-track "stem" of Marvin & Tammi's "Ain't No Mountain High Enough". It was an absolute joy to listen to and to work with. It really gave me an insight to what went down in the studio. I.e. "soloing" the vocals, percussions, drums, guitars, strings etc. Then adding them in together, just vocals and bass etc. Hard to describe, but it's awesome.

The big reason why the 6T's 45s go for so much money is because they usually are the first ever vinyl release for many of the tunes, not just a reissue of readily available tunes (Darrell Banks, Belita Woods etc. as in your example above).

That's a monster of a tune!

Could be, but I've never seen one. Would be great to see a picture of it.

Have never seen the original of this on styrene? Do you have a scan? Would be nice to see just for reference. The title on the original release is "Your Number 1", not "You're Number 1".

That doesn't mean that all of them are in equal demand though. Or that none of those 400 have been thrown away or broken. Stating the blatantly obvious here but... the amount of copies around is not the only thing that dictates the price of a 45.

It's fantastic. I absolutely loved Memphis and the vibe there. Venturing outside of Memphis as well to Greenwood, Tupelo, Muscle Shoals, Money, Tallahatchie Bridge, Robert Johnson's grave site (one of them at least...) and Nashville were also highlights. Can't wait to go back some day. Will try to take in New Orleans next time as well.