Timi Yuro tune prices have gone ballistic in last two months so interesting to see this up for sale . Is it a genuine article or recently done ...

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Timi Yuro tune prices have gone ballistic in last two months so interesting to see this up for sale . Is it a genuine article or recently done ...

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Glyn, do they still make 10" discs? I honestly don't know.

Glyn, do they still make 10" discs? I honestly don't know.

yes they do

It looks dodgy to me.

Thought it looked dodgy to me - 10 " discs are still manufactured as you said Chalky - only if genuine expect the seller to come on here ranting and raving

Thought it looked dodgy to me - 10 " discs are still manufactured as you said Chalky - only if genuine expect the seller to come on here ranting and raving

Might be wrong, might look different in me hands but looking at the scans it looks too new to me, no wear round the holes that you would expect from an acetate from the 60's, look at the centre hole. Label looks new as well and hardly a mark on the disc. The flip on this "acetate" isn't the flip on the 45, is it on the LP?

Would Liberty use New York Audiodisc, especially for a 45 UK release?

Thought it looked dodgy to me - 10 " discs are still manufactured as you said Chalky - only if genuine expect the seller to come on here ranting and raving

Only ever owned one, which I thought was genuine, the label was a goldie-brown colour not black.

It was a track by Lonna King, forgot the title or even where I got it from.

I do know that I sold it at Al-Brighton in the 90s.

Liberty used their own acetates. Being a west coast company I can't see them ordering from New York.

There was what looked like a genuine U.S. Liberty acetate that sold on ebay some years ago, so if it was a right one perhaps they were thinking about giving it a U.S. release ?

Edited March 9, 201114 yr by pottsy

Might be wrong, might look different in me hands but looking at the scans it looks too new to me, no wear round the holes that you would expect from an acetate from the 60's, look at the centre hole. Label looks new as well and hardly a mark on the disc. The flip on this "acetate" isn't the flip on the 45, is it on the LP?

Would Liberty use New York Audiodisc, especially for a 45 UK release?

Someone else had an 'authentic' acetate of this a couple of years ago, think his name was Mike, it was on a Liberty custom studio acetate though, he was certainly sold it as genuine but I was never 100% convinced.

Just found it on popsike. Wonder what the remix bits about ?

Edited March 9, 201114 yr by pottsy

Just found it on popsike. Wonder what the remix bits about ?

I thought Liberty used their own but wasn't 100%. This one certainly looks more authentic than the audiodisc one which had dodgy written all over it IMHO.

Wonder what the remix bits about ?

Remix is probably instructions for the engineer - they weren't happy with the sound, so require a remix.

someone just paid £182 for the one on ebay

Looks Dodgy!

That style of Audiodisc label was in use between circa

1945 -1955

Edited March 9, 201114 yr by rotherham soul

I believe its Mike Balderson that owns the pucker acetate,it was his avatar at one time

10 inch acetates are still readily available,like Chalky says.

Hi there I thought that the audio disc was the name of the manufaturers that made the disc was it a studio then ? the reason I thought this is that i got a few Frankford / wayne job's in Belgium in the 80's and in the sleeves were blank untitled/ unused audiodisc lables on the discs were both frankford/wayne design lables .When I asked Andrea why this was He said that when studios bought the blanks they had the audiodisc lables to use but most studios used there own .Anyone shed any light on this all the best Sy.

audiodisc, were the manufactures of the blank discs, i think the "audiodisc" trade mark was leased out to various disc manufacturers as i have got one that lists capitol magnetics, winchester, va. as the address on the label, and a couple that list audio devices, 444 madison avenue, new york, as the address, later on they were bought out by transco, who were bought out by apollo masters, who are the currant owners

Later than that.Ive a US Jackie Edwards track on that exact same label....the acetate is a ten inch and a lot lighter and thinner than regular acetates.Will dig it out.

Hi again I looked through my acetate's this morning and some of the audio discs are still in thier original manufacturers sleeves they have " The thread cut from all profesional blanks is flamable " obviously a warning to the engineer on the acetate lathe therfor Liberty could have used audio discs as they do seem good quality discs , and just used the free audio disc lable.I've got Dickie wonder on an A 1 studio lable but in a audio disc sleeve and an alternative cut to J Watson's Big bad wolf on a blank lable with a audio disc sleeve and thing's like T Lindsey's Gotta find a way (3rd cut) on an RCA lable 10 inch acetate again in a audio disc sleeve so I don't think that being on an audio disc lable is too much to worry about .A few years ago I got a pile of the Jimmy Conwell acetates all of them were on Audio discs including thing's like Let it all out and loads of B sides they were all hand written i don't see any reason for any one to recut thing's like that to make them look authentic the only oddity was the exits got to have money which was on a H & L studio lable and this turned out to be Jimmy Conwells version off the album all the best Sy.

audiodisc, were the manufactures of the blank discs, i think the "audiodisc" trade mark was leased out to various disc manufacturers as i have got one that lists capitol magnetics, winchester, va. as the address on the label, and a couple that list audio devices, 444 madison avenue, new york, as the address, later on they were bought out by transco, who were bought out by apollo masters, who are the currant owners

. This was my understanding too.

Russ

Yes but liberty as shown in other topic use their own acetates they wouldn't send a track to New York. Look at the other evidence. All points to a fake.

Yes but liberty as shown in other topic use their own acetates they wouldn't send a track to New York. Look at the other evidence. All points to a fake.

Yes but how many other 'Liberty' acetates have we ever seen? I'd have thought they were more likely to use acetates of the studio where they were recording. I think the Timi Yuro is a fake, but there's no reason why it couldn't feasibly be on an audiodisc blank as they were the most popular blank discs for cutting demos

I can't see anything here that points to this being a fake - although nothing that confirms it is an original either.

Acetates could well be cut at any time in the recording place - the studio where it was recorded for instance, and in that case a to hand blank from a manufacturer would be used. Audiodisc acetates would have been used all over the country.

Liberty's own labels would probably have been used at the mastering stage.

The 'remix' mentioned above will have been to donate the mix used by the mastering engineer when cutting the master.

Does anyone know where Yuro recorded this.

I can't see anything here that points to this being a fake - although nothing that confirms it is an original either.

Acetates could well be cut at any time in the recording place - the studio where it was recorded for instance, and in that case a to hand blank from a manufacturer would be used. Audiodisc acetates would have been used all over the country.

Liberty's own labels would probably have been used at the mastering stage.

The 'remix' mentioned above will have been to donate the mix used by the mastering engineer when cutting the master.

Does anyone know where Yuro recorded this.

In the UK I think

Did,nt Mr King knock out Acetates back in the 90,s on the same acetate labels

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by IANCSLOFT

In the UK I think

Well that would make an Audiodisc acetate less likely to be genuine.

In the UK I think

Wessex Sound Studios, London

Yes but liberty as shown in other topic use their own acetates they wouldn't send a track to New York. Look at the other evidence. All points to a fake.

the new york address on the label is the address of the blank disc manufacturer, liberty didnt manufacture blank discs, they bought them from companys like audiodisc, audiodisc were a blank disc and tape manufacturer, not a recording or mastering studio,

Wessex Sound Studios, London

But the known acetate copy is also american??

I can't see anything here that points to this being a fake - although nothing that confirms it is an original either.

Acetates could well be cut at any time in the recording place - the studio where it was recorded for instance, and in that case a to hand blank from a manufacturer would be used. Audiodisc acetates would have been used all over the country.

Liberty's own labels would probably have been used at the mastering stage.

The 'remix' mentioned above will have been to donate the mix used by the mastering engineer when cutting the master.

Does anyone know where Yuro recorded this.

acetates that turn up with labels on, be it bell sound, virtue, audiodisc, were used for reference purposes, if a acetate was intended for manufacturing a record it wouldnt have a label on, as it has to be coated with silver, also, acetates used for the manufacture of a record are only cut on one side, any acetate used for the mastering of a record gets virtually destroyed during the manufacturing process.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by soulman1964

Well that would make an Audiodisc acetate less likely to be genuine.

Be honest, was it ever likely to be genuine? The first time I saw the listing on ebay it looked like a fake, it shouted out boot!! The more looked into and the more it was discussed it looked even more like a fake. the label, the fact that neither was released as a 45 Stateside, one in the UK and the other French/Italian. they were from different sessions, so why would they be on a studio acetate in the states?

the new york address on the label is the address of the blank disc manufacturer, liberty didnt manufacture blank discs, they bought them from companys like audiodisc, audiodisc were a blank disc and tape manufacturer, not a recording or mastering studio,

I know full well what who Audiodisc are. Liberty may have bought blanks from other companies but the Liberty ones I've seen have been their won label as in the other topic.

Are you saying it's real Trev?

Did,nt Mr King knock out Acetates back in the 90,s on the same acetate labels

he sure did ian, a very nice looking set of virtue discs...larry clinton, eddie holman - where im not wanted / hurt , irma and the larks - you need love, all snapped up for 500 quid each by steve chadwick, now that guy did have more money than sense, problem was, it wasnt his money

Did,nt Mr King knock out Acetates back in the 90,s on the same acetate labels

Quite a few did Ian, same with Virtue, even in recent years.

I know full well what who Audiodisc are. Liberty may have bought blanks from other companies but the Liberty ones I've seen have been their won label as in the other topic.

Are you saying it's real Trev?

i personally think its a real timi yuro one sided acetate, that someone has taken the liberty (excuse the pun) of cutting "it'll never be over" on to the blank side, the fact that its different handwriting on each side sets alarm bells ringing

...the fact that its different handwriting on each side sets alarm bells ringing...

The difference comes from the fact that one side is done in pen and the other in pencil. In the same hand pen and pencil will produce slightly different results even on the same paper. But, look closely and you'll see they are indeed the same. They certainly look the same to me.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by rigilbert

The difference comes from the fact that one side is done in pen and the other in pencil. In the same hand pen and pencil will produce slightly different results even on the same paper. But, look closely and you'll see they are indeed the same. They certainly look the same to me.

the y's on yuro look totally different to me, that aside the fact that one side is in pen and the other in pencil suggests to me that they were not cut at the same time

the y's on yuro look totally different to me, that aside the fact that one side is in pen and the other in pencil suggests to me that they were not cut at the same time

well I have this acetate in front of me, and as far as I can see they are both in the same handwriting (there is a mark which is not pen on the Y which makes is look a bit different) but IMHO there are too many similarities between the two sides for them to be different people

By way of additional confirmation, here's an overlay of the writing on both sides! The word 'Timi' is obviously from the same hand, and the 'r' in Yuro is very unique and easily identified as being the same in both.

By the looks of things the ink side was written using a fountain pen and the other with a blunt pencil. All this confirms to me is that the writer changed writing tool!

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by rigilbert

audiodisc, were the manufactures of the blank discs, i think the "audiodisc" trade mark was leased out to various disc manufacturers as i have got one that lists capitol magnetics, winchester, va. as the address on the label, and a couple that list audio devices, 444 madison avenue, new york, as the address, later on they were bought out by transco, who were bought out by apollo masters, who are the currant owners

Capitol bought audiodisc/audio devices in 1972. You can read the story here https://www.apollomasters.com/story.html

Capitol bought audiodisc/audio devices in 1972. You can read the story here https://www.apollomas....com/story.html

thanks for posting this up, interesting stuff

Would they have released a US acetate of this looking to release this in the USA and in the thirty years of collecting it has never turned up....and in 2011 we get an acetate that hasn't even turned up in Rosetta Stones husbands shed.....laugh!I nearly forked out 500 quid

Read this topic eight months after it started typical huh! I did own the liberty acetate but sold it quite some time ago - it was found amongst a whole pile of liberty acetates in the USA - One sided and a slightly longer take than the UK 45 release. No doubt in my mind and other long standing collectors and sellers as to its authenticity - why it was in the states when it was only released on british as a 45 who knows - but genuine it was.... !!