Could someone confirm ... was it ever established if the acetate played by Richard Searling as Rose Valentine & The Sisters 3 - When He's Not Around, was in fact a genuine 60's vintage acetate? or was it taken from a tape and knocked up in the late 70's by Anderson, Richard ... whoever?

... George

Edited December 22, 201113 yr by monkey

I remember asking Richard how much he would want for his copy and he said he'd knock one up for £150 - this was at Rotherham around '82.

I tried to buy his copy when we both dj'd at a Bernie Golding all-dayer in Preston, must have been winter 82 (coldest venue ever) he declined a big offer saying 'I couldn't sell it', I often wondered why he couldn't, wouldn't sell it, was it the real deal?

Edited December 22, 201113 yr by monkey

Think Gilly may know a bit more about this

I thought the story was it was an unknown singer untill a guy from the UK had it on a tape in the USA, plays it to someone who knows Dave Hamilton and says yeah thats Little Ann, or the like.

It was Gilly and Tats who played the tape to Dave Hamilton. I believe Dave then told them who it was and that the tape was the wrong speed. Gilly and Tats then got the acetate from Dave.

It was Gilly and Tats who played the tape to Dave Hamilton. I believe Dave then told them who it was and that the tape was the wrong speed. Gilly and Tats then got the acetate from Dave.

Remember when Tats got that tape. Myself and Andy Rix were DJ'ing at one of Rob Marriot's do's in Mansfield one freezing cold winter's night when Tats told us what he had found. We went straight out to my car and shoved the cassette in to have a listen... needless to say we were blown away with not only the quality of the original recording but the stunning acapella version on there too. What a moment in time that was... Rose Valentine uncovered at last

Steve

Gilly and Tat's Taylor round dave hamilton's in Detroit when it came to light. Gilly has all the info ...it is now well documented. check the sleeve notes on the Timmion Lp 'Deep Shadows' Little Ann as well.

best

kev

So, but Richard did have the original acetate tho?

I have read the piece in Keith Rylatt's book only recently, found it interesting.

So can anyone confirm if the the acetate played by Richard circa 79/81 as Rose Valentine was an a genuine 60's vintage detroit acetate? or was it cut by Richard from a tape in the late 70s?

... George

Remember when Tats got that tape. Myself and Andy Rix were DJ'ing at one of Rob Marriot's do's in Mansfield one freezing cold winter's night when Tats told us what he had found. We went straight out to my car and shoved the cassette in to have a listen... needless to say we were blown away with not only the quality of the original recording but the stunning acapella version on there too. What a moment in time that was... Rose Valentine uncovered at last

Steve

Not a 10" cut Trev,recorded.? Played at 45rpm's,then the chaps realised what it was when down to 33rpm's?

Remember when Tats got that tape. Myself and Andy Rix were DJ'ing at one of Rob Marriot's do's in Mansfield one freezing cold winter's night when Tats told us what he had found. We went straight out to my car and shoved the cassette in to have a listen... needless to say we were blown away with not only the quality of the original recording but the stunning acapella version on there too. What a moment in time that was... Rose Valentine uncovered at last

Steve

The acetate I remember isn't acapella, unless there's a second. One side is the version we all know and love. The flip is the instrumental for about 40 second the band then stops. It starts again from the beginning although a little faster. There are the odd ah ah's then Little Ann comes in towards the end "when I never see him" bit of male backing then "please tell me what to do" bit of male backing then "when he's not around", think she repeats all this.

Where's Gilly when you need him......

Tony Clayton had an RCA acetate that finished very abruptly as I recall don't know who cut it for him though regards S.

The acetate Richard had was a genuine 60s 7" with full label details so he always knew what it was. As we know it came from John Anderson and was in the find that included her 'Lean Lanky Daddy' acetate that Ian Clark got.

When Ady was compiling the first Dave Hamilton CD Richard supplied a cassette of the 'What Should I Do' acetate for comparison purposes. He also supplied a photocopy of the label which is added to this post

I will never forget sitting in the car with Tats, and Steve, listening to it ... he told us it was Dena Barnes but I struggled with believing that. Knowing for sure it was a Detroit recording prompted me, the following day, to call Dale Warren to see if he might know the song or could identify the singer. He thought it was familiar and suggested the singer might be Orthea Barnes. I eventually tracked her down in a bar and played it to her with high hopes that she would reveal all. Sadly my dreams came crashing down when she said she had no idea.

Thankfully the real identity was eventually revealed and the rest, as they say, is history.

It is amazing to think that the quest to discover the identity of one song led to the work of Dave Hamilton being made available to the world ... all thanks to the hard work of Gilly & Tats and continued by Ady.

We have a lot to be thankful for

Andy Rix

The acetate Richard had was a genuine 60s 7" with full label details so he always knew what it was. As we know it came from John Anderson and was in the find that included her 'Lean Lanky Daddy' acetate that Ian Clark got.

When Ady was compiling the first Dave Hamilton CD Richard supplied a cassette of the 'What Should I Do' acetate for comparison purposes. He also supplied a photocopy of the label which is added to this post

I will never forget sitting in the car with Tats, and Steve, listening to it ... he told us it was Dena Barnes but I struggled with believing that. Knowing for sure it was a Detroit recording prompted me, the following day, to call Dale Warren to see if he might know the song or could identify the singer. He thought it was familiar and suggested the singer might be Orthea Barnes. I eventually tracked her down in a bar and played it to her with high hopes that she would reveal all. Sadly my dreams came crashing down when she said she had no idea.

Thankfully the real identity was eventually revealed and the rest, as they say, is history.

It is amazing to think that the quest to discover the identity of one song led to the work of Dave Hamilton being made available to the world ... all thanks to the hard work of Gilly & Tats and continued by Ady.

We have a lot to be thankful for

Andy Rix

Nicely put Andy

Best Steve

The acetate Richard had was a genuine 60s 7" with full label details so he always knew what it was. As we know it came from John Anderson and was in the find that included her 'Lean Lanky Daddy' acetate that Ian Clark got.

When Ady was compiling the first Dave Hamilton CD Richard supplied a cassette of the 'What Should I Do' acetate for comparison purposes. He also supplied a photocopy of the label which is added to this post

I will never forget sitting in the car with Tats, and Steve, listening to it ... he told us it was Dena Barnes but I struggled with believing that. Knowing for sure it was a Detroit recording prompted me, the following day, to call Dale Warren to see if he might know the song or could identify the singer. He thought it was familiar and suggested the singer might be Orthea Barnes. I eventually tracked her down in a bar and played it to her with high hopes that she would reveal all. Sadly my dreams came crashing down when she said she had no idea.

Thankfully the real identity was eventually revealed and the rest, as they say, is history.

It is amazing to think that the quest to discover the identity of one song led to the work of Dave Hamilton being made available to the world ... all thanks to the hard work of Gilly & Tats and continued by Ady.

We have a lot to be thankful for

Andy Rix

Thank you Andy, final question then, you say 'had' did Richard finally part with the 7" acetate, or has he still got it?

... George

Edited December 23, 201113 yr by monkey

Is the acetate scan you posted Andy the original 60's one Richard had, is it Detroit/Dave Hamilton? Reason I ask it doesn't look anything like the one Gilly and Tats got?

George - As far as I'm aware Richard still has it .. I've not heard anything about it being sold although cannot discount the possibility of a private sale

Chalky - the acetate is the one that Richard played c/u as Rose Valentine and having had it in my hands I certainly felt it was the real deal. I've never seen the acetate/s that Gilly & Tats got and to be honest didn't actually realise they had acquired any until you said. I'd always assumed they just got cassette tapes ... but you know what they say about people who assume things

Andy

George - As far as I'm aware Richard still has it .. I've not heard anything about it being sold although cannot discount the possibility of a private sale

Chalky - the acetate is the one that Richard played c/u as Rose Valentine and having had it in my hands I certainly felt it was the real deal. I've never seen the acetate/s that Gilly & Tats got and to be honest didn't actually realise they had acquired any until you said. I'd always assumed they just got cassette tapes ... but you know what they say about people who assume things

Andy

Hi Andy thanks for that. Maybe the acetate they had was cut from tapes? Where's Gilly when you need him, he would clear this up.

Hi Andy thanks for that. Maybe the acetate they had was cut from tapes? Where's Gilly when you need him, he would clear this up.

Gilly,Nicola on FB?

Gilly,Nicola on FB?

yes, thy both on here but thought Gilly might have read this by now. I will ring him later.

The acetate Richard had was a genuine 60s 7" with full label details so he always knew what it was. As we know it came from John Anderson and was in the find that included her 'Lean Lanky Daddy' acetate that Ian Clark got.

When Ady was compiling the first Dave Hamilton CD Richard supplied a cassette of the 'What Should I Do' acetate for comparison purposes. He also supplied a photocopy of the label which is added to this post

I will never forget sitting in the car with Tats, and Steve, listening to it ... he told us it was Dena Barnes but I struggled with believing that. Knowing for sure it was a Detroit recording prompted me, the following day, to call Dale Warren to see if he might know the song or could identify the singer. He thought it was familiar and suggested the singer might be Orthea Barnes. I eventually tracked her down in a bar and played it to her with high hopes that she would reveal all. Sadly my dreams came crashing down when she said she had no idea.

Thankfully the real identity was eventually revealed and the rest, as they say, is history.

It is amazing to think that the quest to discover the identity of one song led to the work of Dave Hamilton being made available to the world ... all thanks to the hard work of Gilly & Tats and continued by Ady.

We have a lot to be thankful for

Andy Rix

Has the scan disappeared Andy? Cant see anything

Has the scan disappeared Andy? Cant see anything

It's back now - probably a server glitch

Thanks very much for the pic Andy

Presumably Data Music Productions is a miss-print of some kind?

With Dave Hamilton surely it would have been Da Da Music Productions?

Cheers

Richard

Edited December 23, 201113 yr by Premium Stuff

I have to assume Data is a typo .. it should be DaDa really

Andy

Yes, it makes sense Andy

When you say Data and DaDa in an American accent they sound quite similar - to an Englishman

Cheers

Richard

richard still has the acetate