Supercorsa Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Has Eddie Regan - Playin' Hide And Seek (ABC) been booted, other than the UK release in the 70's with The Sapphires on the other side? Just that I've bought a white demo, thinking it's an original, but now I have my doubts. It has ABC 13095 scratched into the run out, but when I compared it to The Spindles Ten Shades (Demo) & Impressions Cheat And Lie (Stock), they both have Bell Sound stamp in the run out as well, where as that's missing from the Eddie Regan. Any info would be appreciated .
Pete S Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 It was booted at the same time and by the same people who did the Yum Yums on a very convincing ABC demo. My mate was done with at the time, found out a few months later and was so gutted. It's on vinyl, and if I remember there is a little label fade on it near the titles, might be wrong, have a look closely at the run off and see if it's slightly pitted, little dots in the vinyl.
Bo Diddley Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I didn't realise it had been booted, thanks Pete. I have a demo, I bought from Tim Brown on a list this year. It's vinyl, had no spots/pitting in the run out and NO machine stamped matrix/number. Print is nice and sharp. Just checked popsike and saw this ABC demo rather than the usual (which I have) ABC Paramount. This is apparently styrene. Kev Bod.
Pete S Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I didn't realise it had been booted, thanks Pete. I have a demo, I bought from Tim Brown on a list this year. It's vinyl, had no spots/pitting in the run out and NO machine stamped matrix/number. Print is nice and sharp. Just checked popsike and saw this ABC demo rather than the usual (which I have) ABC Paramount. This is apparently styrene. Kev Bod. That one in the picture is pretty unusual, in fact not sure I've ever seen that before.
Guest Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 It was booted at the same time and by the same people who did the Yum Yums on a very convincing ABC demo. Did they also do the Reflections', 'Like Adam & Eve' on a lookalike WD at the same time?
Pete S Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Did they also do the Reflections', 'Like Adam & Eve' on a lookalike WD at the same time? No mate there is no bootleg of that one, only a UK reissue.
Sheldonsoul Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Wasn't there a black issue being discussed on here sometime ago, dead rare compared to the demo, or am I imagining things
Tony A Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 That one in the picture is pretty unusual, in fact not sure I've ever seen that before. I've not seen that style for Eddie Regans either ?? The boots as Pete mentioned were in the following style, caught out a lot of people.
Paul McKay Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Ian, did you buy it from Omega Auctions on Ebay? They have listed quite a few boots over the past week or so inc the Little Joe Roman mentioned in another thread. I think they genuinely didn't know and will refund if so. Regards Paul
Supercorsa Posted October 18, 2012 Author Posted October 18, 2012 I'm still confused unsure. Paul, yes I did buy from Omega on ebay, they had a mixture of originals and boots listed (still have). Pete S, there is no label fade, but there are some very tiny dots not many, but they're there. If it wasn't for that Bell Sound stamp, I wouldn't have asked. But on some other Impressions records on ABC there isn't the Bell Sound? Why does buying records have to be so bloody difficult!?
Speedlimit Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 the boots were the abc paramount ones the orininal paramont demos have a bell sound stamp in run off i had one off jim wensoria the demo pictured is from the west coast if memory serves me correct atb steve p
Bo Diddley Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Hi Gents, This is a scan of my copy. No "Bell Sound" stamp. I bought it earlier this year from a major dealer. Is it a Boot/Repro ? It has nice smooth vinyl and scratched in numbers. It also has an LW scratched in which is also on some of my other ABC/Paramounts. The paper has a smooth , slightly gloss finish. I've had a quick look at a couple of ABC and ABC Paramount records I have (not that many though). Most have a Bell Sound stamp but not all. One without is a stock copy. I'd like to hear any views. Ta
Pete S Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Hi Gents, This is a scan of my copy. No "Bell Sound" stamp. I bought it earlier this year from a major dealer. Is it a Boot/Repro ? It has nice smooth vinyl and scratched in numbers. It also has an LW scratched in which is also on some of my other ABC/Paramounts. The paper has a smooth , slightly gloss finish. I've had a quick look at a couple of ABC and ABC Paramount records I have (not that many though). Most have a Bell Sound stamp but not all. One without is a stock copy. I'd like to hear any views. Ta Yours is ok - I had one with no Bell Sound stamp as well.
Bo Diddley Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Yours is ok - I had one with no Bell Sound stamp as well. Thanks for the reply Pete. I think it's OK as well but was a little concerned at the thought that non-Bell Sound ones were snide. It looks too well produced. I seem to recall thoses Yum Yum repo's looking a bit less well manufactured - mind you the last one I saw was Bill Frisby's when they first came out. My eyes worked alot better then.
Pete S Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Thanks for the reply Pete. I think it's OK as well but was a little concerned at the thought that non-Bell Sound ones were snide. It looks too well produced. I seem to recall thoses Yum Yum repo's looking a bit less well manufactured - mind you the last one I saw was Bill Frisby's when they first came out. My eyes worked alot better then. No it's good mate, really good, the fact that I sold mine for £150 yesterday and could have sold it three times says something about how good a pressing it is.
Garethx Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Bell Sound was a recording and mastering studio in New York. Records will have that mark if they were mastered there. It doesn't necessarily follow that all ABC Paramount product of the time would be processed in that way. Not even all New York sessions would have gone down that route to become finished records. ABC also mastered at Capitol's New York studios as well as at other facilities beside. Conversely sessions recorded elsewhere might well have had tapes sent to Bell for mastering. That's a less likely scenario as the recording engineer and producer would ideally have been at the cutting of the lacquer as there is still a lot which can be done to the sound of the finished master at that stage, nonetheless a lot of independent productions picked up by ABC would have been treated that way. The Eddie Regan examples above were pressed at Sonic in New York (vinyl) and Monarch in LA (styrene).
Garethx Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Hi Gents, This is a scan of my copy. No "Bell Sound" stamp. I bought it earlier this year from a major dealer. Is it a Boot/Repro ? It has nice smooth vinyl and scratched in numbers. It also has an LW scratched in which is also on some of my other ABC/Paramounts. The paper has a smooth , slightly gloss finish. I've had a quick look at a couple of ABC and ABC Paramount records I have (not that many though). Most have a Bell Sound stamp but not all. One without is a stock copy. I'd like to hear any views. Ta The LW on ABC 45s stands for Longwear Stamper Co., a company which produced metal stampers, mothers and fathers. It is sometimes seen as LWP (Long Wear Products) on other labels' releases. You can often find the LW or LWP marks on Atlantic singles. Just plucking some random 45s on ABC Paramount from the shelves and it seems most of the vinyl singles from the mid 1960s have this. Will have a look at some ABC styrene to see if it's also on those. Possibly not as styrene tooling was a different process.
Pete S Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 The LW on ABC 45s stands for Longwear Stamper Co., a company which produced metal stampers, mothers and fathers. It is sometimes seen as LWP (Long Wear Products) on other labels' releases. You can often find the LW or LWP marks on Atlantic singles. Just plucking some random 45s on ABC Paramount from the shelves and it seems most of the vinyl singles from the mid 1960s have this. Will have a look at some ABC styrene to see if it's also on those. Possibly not as styrene tooling was a different process. A lot of Philly records have LW stamped, probably the most famous is Moses Smith, but of course some copies don't have it, just to conuse the issue
Garethx Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 It's a fair bet that many of the pressing plants in that general area used LW metalwork Pete. The equivalent mark you see on many records from the midwest was Nashville Main. That was also a maker of metal parts as opposed to a mastering studio, so a lot of records can have both the mastering marks plus the insignia of the metalwork manufacturer.
Modernsoulsucks Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Ian, did you buy it from Omega Auctions on Ebay? They have listed quite a few boots over the past week or so inc the Little Joe Roman mentioned in another thread. I think they genuinely didn't know and will refund if so. Regards Paul This is the Savory lot,yes? Mate bought Sam & Kitty boot. They wouldn't refund. Said not described as "original" so no comeback. Told him to go through Ebay/Paypal complaint procedure. Going to be a few angry customers if they take that stance with everybody. ROD
Modernsoulsucks Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Hi Gents, This is a scan of my copy. No "Bell Sound" stamp. I bought it earlier this year from a major dealer. Is it a Boot/Repro ? It has nice smooth vinyl and scratched in numbers. It also has an LW scratched in which is also on some of my other ABC/Paramounts. The paper has a smooth , slightly gloss finish. I've had a quick look at a couple of ABC and ABC Paramount records I have (not that many though). Most have a Bell Sound stamp but not all. One without is a stock copy. I'd like to hear any views. Ta Bo, Whats matrix on other side. I was pretty sure mine is original and matricx is ABC 13096 BUT inbetween the ABC and the 5 digit # there looks to be a 13 crossed through.. It has LW. ROD
Bo Diddley Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Bo, Whats matrix on other side. I was pretty sure mine is original and matricx is ABC 13096 BUT inbetween the ABC and the 5 digit # there looks to be a 13 crossed through.. It has LW. ROD Hi Rod, Just checked and the "heartaches" side has exactly that layout - ABC 13 13096 Looks like it should be OK. Thanks again for the confirmation Kev Bod.
Modernsoulsucks Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 That assumes mine is original too though did get from USA. I cant see any pitting that members are mentioning. ROD
Harry Crosby Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 Wasn't there a black issue being discussed on here sometime ago, dead rare compared to the demo, or am I imagining things https://www.saveltd.co.uk/eddie-regan-playin-hide-and-seek-abc-issue-705-p.asp
Paul McKay Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 This is the Savory lot,yes? Mate bought Sam & Kitty boot. They wouldn't refund. Said not described as "original" so no comeback. Told him to go through Ebay/Paypal complaint procedure. Going to be a few angry customers if they take that stance with everybody. ROD Yes that's right Rod. Grading's a bit over as well.
Linda4me Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I believe LW IS lightly scratched in the 4 O'clock position
Tony Smith Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Bo, Whats matrix on other side. I was pretty sure mine is original and matricx is ABC 13096 BUT inbetween the ABC and the 5 digit # there looks to be a 13 crossed through.. It has LW. ROD Same here on mine, had one years back from Koppel which was the same, was convinced by someone it was a boot because of the lack of Bell Sound stamp, so let it go, over time I've had 3 or 4 all from reputable US dealers, all the same - no Bell Sound, just LW. Edited October 22, 2012 by Tony Smith
Linda4me Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 Hi Rod, Just checked and the "heartaches" side has exactly that layout - ABC 13 13096 Looks like it should be OK. Thanks again for the confirmation Kev Bod. Mine has the same but cannot see LW scratched ?? so is it a good un ?? was bought off rep dealer over 20 years ago
Guest gordon russell Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 What is a reputable dealer?........been sold boots from dealers...when i,m sure they knew what they were doing.....they always have the get out....."sorry mate could have sworn it was real"
Linda4me Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 Mine has the same but cannot see LW scratched ?? so is it a good un ?? was bought off rep dealer over 20 years ago Yes,but is mine a real un
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) I know this thread is ancient, but does anyone have any idea who Eddie Regan is/was Bill Ramal and Morty Wilson were clearly responsible for this release as they were 5 record numbers apart with another unknown artist Eddie bishop with a cover of Tony Hatch's "Call Me" I came across these articles (Copy and paste Links please)and thought I was clutching at straws thinking this Eddie Regan could possibly be the same person file:///Users/imac/Desktop/Billboard%20-%20Google%20Books.webarchive file:///Users/imac/Desktop/Billboard%20-%20Google%20Books%201.webarchive Edited January 10, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul Copy and paste links
Mike Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: file:///Users/imac/Desktop/Billboard%20-%20Google%20Books.webarchive file:///Users/imac/Desktop/Billboard%20-%20Google%20Books%201.webarchive very quick one the above are links to files on your own mac and so the media/docs/images may only show to you they show to others as plain text eg you need to either paste the links to the article eg https:// etc or upload the images/document cheers mike
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, mike said: very quick one the above are links to files on your own mac and so the media/docs/images may only show to you they show to others as plain text eg you need to either paste the links to the article eg https:// etc or upload the images/document cheers mike https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wgoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=eddie+regan+google+books+columbia+san+francisco&source=bl&ots=fNbZKfrRKr&sig=UN9xUgPukxhXoCPcUDLWR9Whj9U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU8_OZjePfAhUBKewKHQARAEgQ6AEwBnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=eddie regan google books columbia san francisco&f=false
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