Why do some of my records have handwritten scratched messages on the out-track, smiley faces, signatures, mottoes, etc. others have stamped numbers, which I understand.as part of the pressing process. Is the scratching just graffiti ?

yes.

Many of the guys who cut the records were experts in their field and left their logo or whatever...in this country "A Porky's Prime cut" was common to see in the 70's, while in the US Herb Powers (or variations) is common on a lot of 12"s...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Peckham

My favourite is still on the publishers 12" white label of Drizabone "Real love" (before a label deal was done) - the runout reads "Eat more cheese"...

I used to love the way Herb used to send messages and dedications to friends etc and the way they changed over the years from simply 'Herb' to 'Herb luvs Angie' 

They are quite rare on US pressings, common on UK, but there's a cracking one on the original of Vicki Nelson - Stoney Face - except I can't remember what it says.

They are quite rare on US pressings, common on UK, but there's a cracking one on the original of Vicki Nelson - Stoney Face - except I can't remember what it says.

 

They are quite rare on US pressings, common on UK, but there's a cracking one on the original of Vicki Nelson - Stoney Face - except I can't remember what it says.

 

 

from memory it says 'its a gas'...

from memory it says 'its a gas'...

 

No it's way longer than that

Side A - Look up to the rooftops....

 

Side B - ...at the arse of a crow.

 

 

Madness - The Wings Of A Dove.

 

Not Soul, but one that tickled me as a youth.

By what degree does the 70's trait of someone engraving their name in the run out reduce the value of a 45?

Edited January 4, 201411 yr by stockholmsoulfox

I keep finding scratch marks that say, 'stop buying records you w***er' - strangely across the grooves.

By what degree does the 70's trait of someone engraving their name in the run out reduce the value of a 45?

 

I don't think it devalues it at all really, as long as you tell people that it's there beforehand

I don't think it devalues it at all really, as long as you tell people that it's there beforehand

 

I'd agree with that, but the logic of that time always seemed misplaced to me. It  seems more of a UK collectors thing...

 

However values were significantly lower then and it's definitely  a step up from scrawling your name across the label!

 

It seems that in certain cities in the US writing on the label it was more in vogue than others, Cleveland releases seem particularly blighted for example?

 

Must have been some serious house parties in that town back then..

Scratching in the run off is done at the time of the cut by the cutting engineer, the lacquer he has cut is then sent off for mastering at the pressing plant. It has nothing to do with the pressing plant or the value of the record, it's whoever was in the cutting room at the time that asked for the words or symbols to be scratched in. Often it's just the catalogue number to identify the master lacquer. A pressing plant may then have their own stamper that also goes in the run off to identify where it was pressed.

Porkys Prime Cuts is one of the most well known UK scratches as stated above. George Peckham was a top man in the cutting room... If you booked it before the lunchtime pub session, after which it could go either way

Cheers Sutty

Edited January 4, 201411 yr by Sutty

Porkys Prime Cuts is one of the most well known UK scratches as stated above. George Peckham was a top man in the cutting room... If you booked it before the lunchtime pub session, after which it could go either way

Cheers Sutty

 

Porky's did all the Mastercuts albums. I think George had stopped drinking by then!

 

Ian D

My fave is on the run-out of The Bootleggers featuring Cathy Carlson on the Discovery label. It reads "Please don't draft me". Presumably a reference to Vietnam. What makes it even more chilling is the title of the song "Don't count on tomorrow". Rare 45 as well!

My fave is on the run-out of The Bootleggers featuring Cathy Carlson on the Discovery label. It reads "Please don't draft me". Presumably a reference to Vietnam. What makes it even more chilling is the title of the song "Don't count on tomorrow". Rare 45 as well!

 

Isn't the Vicki Nelson/Starfires on the same Discovery label Pete S mentioned earlier?

I keep finding scratch marks that say, 'stop buying records you w***er' - strangely across the grooves.

You want to have a word with er indoors

I have a record by Little Tracy Kerr - We've got a good thing going on the Stang Records Label, I think this must have been here first release as her father George Kerr had the inscription GOOD LUCK TRACY FROM DAD. in the run out. Interesting record written by the

THE CORPORATION - JOBETE, And Produced by George Kerr & Sylvia. Not a great record by my taste! She must have been very young going by the vocals. Rod Clegg

Edited January 8, 201411 yr by Rodders22

I have a metal , Melting Pot Sound, acetate of Genie Browns- 'can't stop talking' with a track by Bonnie Bramlett on the flip called 'Crazy bout my baby'. Scratched in the run out lacquer of this side some studio wag has etched 'Crazy about my dick' .. Which has always tickled me...

I think it was Johnny Holmes that worked in that Studio, He'd been making a film next door. "What a great post" Rod

Edited January 11, 201411 yr by Rodders22

My fave is on the run-out of The Bootleggers featuring Cathy Carlson on the Discovery label. It reads "Please don't draft me". Presumably a reference to Vietnam. What makes it even more chilling is the title of the song "Don't count on tomorrow". Rare 45 as well!

 

Had that on my copy as well :-)

 

Dave f..........

By what degree does the 70's trait of someone engraving their name in the run out reduce the value of a 45?

I remember this happening a few times back in the late 70's early 80's. Occasionally if a record was lent to a mate their name may mysteriously appear in the run out. I agree with Pete, in that it wouldn't effect the value.

 

Taking into account the age of these addictive 45's with label's to excite collector's as they do me, it's amazing they are still around

 

Karen

I had a scribbled message on the runout groove of a brand new 12 inch once

Can't remember what it was - Brainstorm?

Anyway, it said: "If it's a hit, it's a miracle"

Was it the Miracle label perhaps? 

Oh, me poor   brain cells................

Etched on the run out of Love Starved Heart in the Motown 7s Box Set is something that either refers to another Marvin song or the fact that they've included it as opposed to two copies of Barbara McNair.  It reads "Lucky Lucky Me".

I had a scribbled message on the runout groove of a brand new 12 inch once

Can't remember what it was - Brainstorm?

Anyway, it said: "If it's a hit, it's a miracle"

Was it the Miracle label perhaps? 

Oh, me poor   brain cells................

 

Think it was the Brainstorm 12" , haven't got it now to check, but bells were ringing when you posted.  

No it's way longer than that

it's a gas is on the a side and the b side= vitamins are/is easier to take than this record. more leaning to IS on the second word i think thats right?

I'd agree with that, but the logic of that time always seemed misplaced to me. It  seems more of a UK collectors thing...

 

However values were significantly lower then and it's definitely  a step up from scrawling your name across the label!

 

It seems that in certain cities in the US writing on the label it was more in vogue than others, Cleveland releases seem particularly blighted for example?

 

Must have been some serious house parties in that town back then..

Had a couple of what would seem, ex-casino 7" that had been attacked with a hot needle in the run out. They must have still been out their "thrupenny bits" and thought it a good idea as they pulled them out their holdall at breakfast.

Shaky letters and gouges to let folks know " this is mine", "Mowtown Dave rools", I certainly hope they haven't moved on to engraving or tattoos!