Derek Pearson Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) Following on from the recent thread Northern Soul DeeJay pay (started by wiggyflat 23 January 2015) here's some slightly factual (coughs) maybe articles on the subject. How true they are is anybodies guess. Derek (I've never done a gig in Las Vegas but I have DJ'd in Stalyvegas..........) World’s wealthiest DJ’s https://www.huhmagazine.co.uk/3888/the-worlds-wealthiest-djs World’s 30 richest DJ’s https://www.factmag.com/2012/06/13/revealed-the-worlds-30-richest-djs/ BBC Radio DJ’s salary’s https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/apr/19/broadcasting.bbc Edited February 6, 2015 by Derek Pearson
Tricky Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 As an aside to this. Before the Payola scandal put an end to it. Your American radio DJ,s werent doing too bad for dough.Cash for plays. Especially playing records on labels they owned or had a stake in! Tricky
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Following on from the recent thread Northern Soul DeeJay pay (started by wiggyflat 23 January 2015) here's some slightly factual (coughs) maybe articles on the subject. How true they are is anybodies guess. Derek (I've never done a gig in Las Vegas but I have DJ'd in Stalyvegas..........) World’s wealthiest DJ’s https://www.huhmagazine.co.uk/3888/the-worlds-wealthiest-djs World’s 30 richest DJ’s https://www.factmag.com/2012/06/13/revealed-the-worlds-30-richest-djs/ BBC Radio DJ’s salary’s https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/apr/19/broadcasting.bbc Blimey, I know 5 of the top 10. No wonder I never see 'em these days....... Ian D
Davidwapples Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Makes you wonder what someone like Ron Hardy or Larry Levan would be worth these days ?
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Makes you wonder what someone like Ron Hardy or Larry Levan would be worth these days ? Nout probably. Neither were bothered about money that much to my knowledge Ian D
Hooker1951 Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 I MC,d with Carl Cox over twenty years ago Genuine nice guy the promoter paid me about £50 for the hour with him.good luck to them .not much difference is there in rates of pay. Keep on Trucking. There,s always Country n Western Mick L
Rudzy Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Actually i'm quite fond of a bit of dance music - often pull out some mixes and give em a blast. Full of energy - not unlike the northern beat in some ways.
Guest Byrney Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 I MC,d with Carl Cox over twenty years ago Genuine nice guy the promoter paid me about £50 for the hour with him.good luck to them .not much difference is there in rates of pay. Keep on Trucking. There,s always Country n Western Mick L And one of the very few on there that are good mixers. I saw fat boy slim once and technically he was pathetic, not even a simple beat mix. Tell you what though, that Sasha lads come on a bit from the days I first say him in 89
Greg Belson Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 The wealthiest DJ article posted above is nearly 3 years old.....here's one a bit more up to date.....staggering, really. https://www.celebritynetworth.com/list/top-50-richest-djs/
Neiljon31 Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 And one of the very few on there that are good mixers. I saw fat boy slim once and technically he was pathetic, not even a simple beat mix. Tell you what though, that Sasha lads come on a bit from the days I first say him in 89 In an owd warehouse in Mansfield called Rennaisance by any chance youth ??!!
Davidwapples Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 It's funny how a lot of the dance music djs get paid loads but the records cost an awful lot less than the rare soul scene where the djs get very little in comparison
Rudzy Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 It's funny how a lot of the dance music djs get paid loads but the records cost an awful lot less than the rare soul scene where the djs get very little in comparison Hi Dave how ya goin I'm not 100% sure that every DJ is playing vinyl - maybe a CD set aswell
Dobber Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 a top northern soul dj needs £500000 a year just to pay for the records...sue lynn..etc...haha
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 It's funny how a lot of the dance music djs get paid loads but the records cost an awful lot less than the rare soul scene where the djs get very little in comparison Yeah, that's kind of ironic isn't it? None of them will be paying for music and none of 'em will be using vinyl. A top international DJ only needs a couple of memory sticks and a good agent. Mind you, the expenses are huge when you factor in champagne, cocaine, mdma, limos and russian hookers. It's not all roses.... Ian D
Guest Byrney Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 That was later Neil old mate, it was at a seedy club in Coventry before his bigness and Digweed legged it to the old trotters venue. Hope you're well mucker. In an owd warehouse in Mansfield called Rennaisance by any chance youth ??!!
Neiljon31 Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 That was later Neil old mate, it was at a seedy club in Coventry before his bigness and Digweed legged it to the old trotters venue. Hope you're well mucker. All good thanks man ; q's around the block at trotters ? hazy memory kidda !
El Corol Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 It certainly didn't go "Pete Tong" for Pete Tong!
Guest Byrney Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Saw him at Venus early 90s, he had to have someone mix for him. All about the brand on the commercial dance scene I'm afraid. Most in the list sent fit to carry Terrance Parker's bags. It certainly didn't go "Pete Tong" for Pete Tong!
Hooker1951 Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 All good thanks man ; q's around the block at trotters ? hazy memory kidda ! That was later Neil old mate, it was at a seedy club in Coventry before his bigness and Digweed legged it to the old trotters venue. Hope you're well mucker. HI Byrney It was the Eclipse in Coventry Happy Days hey cheers Mick Lyons
Frankie Crocker Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Following on from the recent thread Northern Soul DeeJay pay (started by wiggyflat 23 January 2015) here's some slightly factual (coughs) maybe articles on the subject. How true they are is anybodies guess. Derek (I've never done a gig in Las Vegas but I have DJ'd in Stalyvegas..........) World’s wealthiest DJ’s https://www.huhmagazine.co.uk/3888/the-worlds-wealthiest-djs World’s 30 richest DJ’s https://www.factmag.com/2012/06/13/revealed-the-worlds-30-richest-djs/ BBC Radio DJ’s salary’s https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/apr/19/broadcasting.bbc Slight snag as quite a few have no discs to jockey with. Being a downloader, bubble bath switch flicker or CD inserter counts for diddly-squat unless you have some decent vinyl in a flight case.
Citizen P Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Yeah, that's kind of ironic isn't it? None of them will be paying for music and none of 'em will be using vinyl. A top international DJ only needs a couple of memory sticks and a good agent. Mind you, the expenses are huge when you factor in champagne, cocaine, mdma, limos and russian hookers. It's not all roses.... Ian D It's a Sh*t job, but somebody has to do it
Guest Byrney Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 It was Mick. Would have been Delite at Shellys in Longton too but I used to work late on Fridays so could never get there in time to get in HI Byrney It was the Eclipse in Coventry Happy Days hey cheers Mick Lyons
Neiljon31 Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Mind you I think Pete Tong seems like a decent bloke. i reckon any of us would quite fancy the curve they've been on !!
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I think you will find these guys are all Soul/Northern/Funk fans aswell.
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Slight snag as quite a few have no discs to jockey with. Being a downloader, bubble bath switch flicker or CD inserter counts for diddly-squat unless you have some decent vinyl in a flight case. Yeah but this is one of those format arguments which we love on here. Plus it's easy to take a pop at these guys but most of 'em were long-term pros who all had vinyl in their blood anyway. Carl Cox, Paul Oakenfold, Pete Tong, Judge Jules and John Digweed were all soulboys at one time 'cos I used to mail 'em records in the early 80s. They simply decided to adapt to changing musical trends, where some of us preferred to stay in the same comfort zone. Nothing wrong with either approach in my view. I was always a bigger soulboy than them anyway. I saw Carl Cox and John Digweed in Ibiza a few years back and their sets were just magnificent and blew Space apart. Probably one of the best atmospheres and crowd-buzz that I have seen in 45 years of clubbing. Those guys are DJs in every sense of the word irregardless of format. Ultimately the music is more important than the format it's played on. Contrary to popular belief, having a box of vinyl does not a DJ make. If I go and see someone play I'm pretty much going for their musical taste, their selections, their sequences and their skill in building a DJ set. The format is irrelevant. That is, APART from the Northern Soul scene where old attitudes die hard! Ian D
Rhino Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 these djs such as pete tong and carl cox when they play a set its takes the crowd on a journey.if you havent seen or been to the big rave events over here or Ibiza it is a sight to behold working with in this scene for a long time using djs such as carl cox using vinyl and 4 decks it was a great sight but his root was soul and electro music. pete tongs favourite toon to relax to is kenni burke rising to the top great soul tune. when promoters are charging £30+ admission without these djs they wouldnt last after 1 event
Hooker1951 Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 these djs such as pete tong and carl cox when they play a set its takes the crowd on a journey.if you havent seen or been to the big rave events over here or Ibiza it is a sight to behold working with in this scene for a long time using djs such as carl cox using vinyl and 4 decks it was a great sight but his root was soul and electro music. pete tongs favourite toon to relax to is kenni burke rising to the top great soul tune. when promoters are charging £30+ admission without these djs they wouldnt last after 1 event The point made about taking a crowd on a journey is good one I did an article in Manifesto in the90's about the exact same thing with NS It should all be part of the magic of a night out that the Soulies can forget about the outside world for at least 60 minutes with a Dj,s set this somehow seems to have been forgotten or maybe no offence meant some DJ,s can't do it. a top record played taking the crowd one way then it might be another top record but going in a different direction which means in effect if that carries on the crowd has gone no where.The Dance scene of the 90's managed to do this until it lost its way. The journey can produce euphoria and make a good night a brilliant night and it's just my humble opinion that all d DJ,s should strive for that whatever the genre of music. I'll repeat what I've said many times before it's not the jokes it's the way you tell them. God Bless Mick Lyons
Rhino Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) 100% agree been at a dance event and we had one of the top djs at that time Jeremy healey and he had just turned up to do a spot and after 30 mins the atmosphere went flat a few of us talked and decided to put another dj on in his place which he wasn't happy about but it rescued the night an the punters went home happy. in any type of repeat event allnighter or soul night if the punters aint happy the aint gonna spend there hard earned money if they not being entertained. Edited February 7, 2015 by rhino
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 these djs such as pete tong and carl cox when they play a set its takes the crowd on a journey.if you havent seen or been to the big rave events over here or Ibiza it is a sight to behold working with in this scene for a long time using djs such as carl cox using vinyl and 4 decks it was a great sight but his root was soul and electro music. pete tongs favourite toon to relax to is kenni burke rising to the top great soul tune. when promoters are charging £30+ admission without these djs they wouldnt last after 1 event You make a good point. These particular guys didn't get to the top in their field by being crap and the people who know the score rate 'em very highly. Carl Cox and John Digweed in particular are two of the best DJs I've seen. When they play it's an event. Coincidentally Carl Cox did a televised Soul/Funk spot in Ibiza a few years back once Paul Schofield and I had made it fashionable over there again via our all-dayers at Sands @ Playa Den Bossa! He loved 'em so much he bought the place..... Ian D
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Blimey, I know 5 of the top 10. No wonder I never see 'em these days....... Ian D Just Think Ian, If your musical direction had swerved slightly - perhaps you could of been on the list. Northern Soul Boy - Rave DJ Edited February 7, 2015 by RUDZY
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Just Think Ian, If your musical direction had swerved slightly - perhaps you could of been on the list. Northern Soul Boy - Rave DJ I kept up with contemporary dance music pretty much from 1967 to circa 1990. The Rave scene was great fun but not for me musically. In fact, I couldn't stand the stuff. Same as D&B, Jungle and EDM. Anyone who went along that path was welcome to it. Every so often I bump into some of the names on that list (usually at airports) and they usually give me the impression that they don't like a lot of the stuff either but it pays the bills etc. Several reminisce about the 'old days' but once you get to their level you don't refuse the amount of money that's on offer. They have expensive lifestyles to maintain these days. The thought of going to gigs and having to sit through some of that stuff for 8 hours isn't worth any amount of money to me. I don't think I could do it for a living but I don't decry their direction. Good luck to 'em. Tongy told me he still had all his records since the mid 70s the last time I saw him @ Stanstead airport lol.... Ian D Edited February 7, 2015 by Ian Dewhirst
Hooker1951 Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Just Think Ian, If your musical direction had swerved slightly - perhaps you could of been on the list. Northern Soul Boy - Rave DJ Hi Rudzy.Northern Soul Boy n DJ and Rave MC nearly there what's next?done that hurry up I'm running out of time. I wouldn't change anything. Its been a great ride. God Bless Mick Lyons alias MC Warchief
Rhino Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Hi Rudzy.Northern Soul Boy n DJ and Rave MC nearly there what's next?done that hurry up I'm running out of time. I wouldn't change anything. Its been a great ride. God Bless Mick Lyons alias MC Warchief and definitely added to many a journey with your lyrics mick. great days wouldn't change a thing
Jnixon Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Yeah, that's kind of ironic isn't it? None of them will be paying for music and none of 'em will be using vinyl. A top international DJ only needs a couple of memory sticks and a good agent. Mind you, the expenses are huge when you factor in champagne, cocaine, mdma, limos and russian hookers. It's not all roses.... Ian D # Richie Hawtin - if ever there was a fella nicking a living its him. fair play obviously, however id imagine his rider is wheat grass juice and tofu. waste of a good position.
Guest Byrney Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) You know what I saw Ritchie Hawtin DJ years ago, I think at Dance Valley in Amsterdam late 90s and can't remember a lot about it, compared to his contemporaries Jeff Mills, Rolando, Carl Craig, Robert Hood, DJ Bone, James Pennington, Kenny Dixon Jr. who all remained ingrained in my memory - so he can't have been that good # Richie Hawtin - if ever there was a fella nicking a living its him. fair play obviously, however id imagine his rider is wheat grass juice and tofu. waste of a good position. Edited February 7, 2015 by Byrney
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Hi Rudzy.Northern Soul Boy n DJ and Rave MC nearly there what's next?done that hurry up I'm running out of time. I wouldn't change anything. Its been a great ride. God Bless Mick Lyons alias MC Warchief A Fantasy realized - can't fault you mate bangin' tunes
Jnixon Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 You know what I saw Ritchie Hawtin DJ years ago, I think at Dance Valley in Amsterdam late 90s and can't remember a lot about it, compared to his contemporaries Jeff Mills, Rolando, Carl Craig, Robert Hood, DJ Bone, James Pennington, Kenny Dixon Jr. who all remained ingrained in my memory - so he can't have been that good Mills Pennington and Bone are excellent. Never heard Roland but got most of his 12"s. Mad Mike was good also. Hawtin sucks. The music now is so boring and linear. he wasnt great in the early 90s imho.
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I kept up with contemporary dance music pretty much from 1967 to circa 1990. The Rave scene was great fun but not for me musically. In fact, I couldn't stand the stuff. Same as D&B, Jungle and EDM. Anyone who went along that path was welcome to it. Every so often I bump into some of the names on that list (usually at airports) and they usually give me the impression that they don't like a lot of the stuff either but it pays the bills etc. Several reminisce about the 'old days' but once you get to their level you don't refuse the amount of money that's on offer. They have expensive lifestyles to maintain these days. The thought of going to gigs and having to sit through some of that stuff for 8 hours isn't worth any amount of money to me. I don't think I could do it for a living but I don't decry their direction. Good luck to 'em. Tongy told me he still had all his records since the mid 70s the last time I saw him @ Stanstead airport lol.... Ian D I can understand it. What possesses a man to crossover to an underground club culture? Timing? Age (what you and your mates are brought up on) ? Hearing something mind blowing...and so on
Guest Byrney Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Rolando was cracking at the Bomb Nottingham, just as Jaguar had been released. Saw Bone at Club 69 in Paisly for my birthday a good few years back. The club holds 100 tops and is under an Indian restauarnt yet Bone travels over form Detroit and plays there - probably why he's not on the big $ list but what a performance. Mills Pennington and Bone are excellent. Never heard Roland but got most of his 12"s. Mad Mike was good also. Hawtin sucks. The music now is so boring and linear. he wasnt great in the early 90s imho.
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Ian, Have you still got that MONTCLAIRS "HUNG UP ON YOUR LOVE" that i sold you at Wigan Casino circa '73?
Rudzy Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Slightly off topic i know but you're allowed one
Derek Pearson Posted February 7, 2015 Author Posted February 7, 2015 Plus it's easy to take a pop at these guys but most of 'em were long-term pros who all had vinyl in their blood anyway. Carl Cox, Paul Oakenfold, Pete Tong, Judge Jules and John Digweed were all soul boys at one time 'cos I used to mail 'em records in the early 80s. Ian D Interview with Geoff Oakes the main man behind Renaissance in Mansfield: https://www.dmcworld.net/dj-tv/entry/question-and-answer/geoff-oakes--henry-blunt-539.html And I quote: Where did the inspiration for Renaissance begin? "It probably came from a combination of influences from the Hacienda and my earlier clubbing years at the Wigan Casino......”
Derek Pearson Posted February 7, 2015 Author Posted February 7, 2015 Before the Payola scandal put an end to it. Your American radio DJ,s werent doing too bad for dough.Cash for plays. Especially playing records on labels they owned or had a stake in! I read an interview somewhere a few months ago where an American radio DJ had some sort of agreement with Chess records to play 16 records an hour by them. Struth you can only play 20-22 records full length in an hour so it didn't leave much air play for anything on other labels did it? No wonder Chess records became so mighty. It was a rough tough world in the sixties. Derek
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Ian, Have you still got that MONTCLAIRS "HUNG UP ON YOUR LOVE" that i sold you at Wigan Casino circa '73? Was it the white demo Rudzy? If so, unfortunately no. Ian Levine prized it from me on the basis that he discovered it so I should let him have it. I didn't mind because the UK Contempo copy is actually mastered much much better than the Paula copy anyway. Ian D
Rudzy Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Was it the white demo Rudzy? If so, unfortunately no. Ian Levine prized it from me on the basis that he discovered it so I should let him have it. I didn't mind because the UK Contempo copy is actually mastered much much better than the Paula copy anyway. Ian D Purple Issue - strange how you remember certain deals
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Purple Issue - strange how you remember certain deals Yep, I would have replaced it when a white one came along. I take it that was the week when they hit the UK then? Ian D
Rudzy Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Yep, I would have replaced it when a white one came along. I take it that was the week when they hit the UK then? Ian D Probably - God knows
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