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10 hours ago, snspoolie said:

Anybody have a copy of The Magnetics - I Have A Girl - RA-Sel original for sale

PM price and condition please

Thanks

Dave

Watch out cause there's a very convincing boot out there 

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Quite right Ted Massey, another one that has been booted, the writing on the sides looks faded (not clear or crisp) on the boots, like it's been stored in the damp. But of course the vinyl is brand shining new. No talc or carpet burn "weathering" on the boot I've seen.

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I only saw it in semi subdued light of a pub gig, and no one had an original to compare it with. But it was so obviously a bootleg. This, Greater Experience, and John wesley on Melic, which has been booted on brand spanking new vinyl and had exactly the same fudged lettering on the side, not nice and sharp at all. Someone is being very cute here feeding boots out to unsuspecting buyers.   

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Hi Benji, yes there is a thread running on FB about Greater Experience in one of the rare soul pages. Last 12 months or so. 

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Well done Guys for exposing yet another despicable scam.

The members of soul source and beyond are so lucky to have such diligent observers/collectors, keeping an eye out for such deceptive counterfeits.

Dave

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Same here Ted, just asked to give an opinion as to it's authenticity. Didn't take a picture of the one I saw either, but maybe one of the buyers will see this and post a scan up. If they're not demanding their money back of course.

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blimey ..never seen a boot on ra-sel ,and never even heard of one before it was mentioned by ted. its getting very very difficult to keep on top of this now .really feel for the guys who have been done with this deliberate bad situation.

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Sorry I know this isn't any of my business but who has been done here?   Nobody has been sold a counterfeit Magnetics as an original.  In fact I don't think these have even circulated but for about 3 or 4 copies.  That's all.

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On 12/31/2015 at 13:10, Steve G said:

So its been bootlegged (we know that) and only about 3 or 4 thus far have gone out is that what you are saying Pete? 

The definitions of what constitutes a bootleg are a bit blurred, yes it is probably a very clever counterfeit, but no copies are for sale anywhere, the copy above was given away, therefore nobody is being ripped off.

If they were carvers nobody would blink, from what I can deduce they are a vanity project with a miniscule amount of copies made - I've got one and I'm highly delighted with it - it's the Rolls Royce of pressings.  I paid sod all for it and don't consider myself to have been ripped off.  It won't be on a public record deck so it's not hurting anyone.

You investigative chaps need to focus your attentions abroad and into the murky depths of the past.  Seek and you may find answers.  Look to the East perhaps?

p.s.  at no time have I attempted to sell it as an original!  Or even felt the need to tell anyone I've got it.  

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There are quite a few of these "vanity projects" going on with small quantity pressings, with people with copies all "sworn to secrecy" as to the source. The soul freemasonry brotherhood of vinyl copyists? Perhaps if the source of these so called "vanity projects" was good enough to list ALL of the titles they have done / commissioned, then at least no one would be taken in, and we wouldn't have these threads. That would solve it and no one would care. People pop up on here, or on FB rare soul talk asking what they are worth. Had a chap with a General Assembly boot on there the other day going "whats this worth?" and people salivating saying $700 etc. when it is clearly a brand new boot (there is NO grey area here, nor are they like carvers). Had someone else ask me about Magnetics and John Wesley. I suspect at least one copy of Gen Assembly has leaked into the collectors market via re-sales.  

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56 minutes ago, Steve G said:

There are quite a few of these "vanity projects" going on with small quantity pressings, with people with copies all "sworn to secrecy" as to the source. The soul freemasonry brotherhood of vinyl copyists? Perhaps if the source of these so called "vanity projects" was good enough to list ALL of the titles they have done / commissioned, then at least no one would be taken in, and we wouldn't have these threads. That would solve it and no one would care. People pop up on here, or on FB rare soul talk asking what they are worth. Had a chap with a General Assembly boot on there the other day going "whats this worth?" and people salivating saying $700 etc. when it is clearly a brand new boot (there is NO grey area here, nor are they like carvers). Had someone else ask me about Magnetics and John Wesley. I suspect at least one copy of Gen Assembly has leaked into the collectors market via re-sales.  

Steve first of all, I am not in any freemasonry brotherhood, do you think they would have ME?  I can't keep my mouth shut about anything.  If I knew the details I'd post them up.  I only know about this one because I was lucky enough to be given one, and as I say, I thought yes thats nice, thats mine, I'll keep it.  Never mentioned it to anyone.  Now I can tell you for certain there is no counterfeit of General Assembly.  You are thinking of the wrong record.  I know which one you are thinking of so I'll wait for you to remember.

John Wesley - no idea.  I have only seen this one record, The Magnetics.  I have one copy, my own.  I think I have an idea where they came from but I can't go out and say it in case I am wrong and I'll get in trouble but they are 100% "imports". 

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3 minutes ago, Steve G said:

Sorry I forgot to remember that it's the Greater Experience. Where did General Assembly come from? Ha! 

Dunno but nobody's played that out for 30 years...forgotten oldie

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2 hours ago, Steve G said:

Sorry I forgot to remember that it's the Greater Experience. Where did General Assembly come from? Ha! 

Far superior record. Well, at least to my sensitive ears.

 

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General Assembly gets plenty of plays on several scenes and saw an issue sold here for uk350 in July so hardly a forgotten oldie, let alone 30 years. Would still be a bizarre choice to boot but maybe that wasn't the one based on later comments. 

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2 hours ago, Herts Of Soul said:

Yes it is ! 

 

29 minutes ago, Herts Of Soul said:

The boot looks like this for that one ! 

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Sounds like you're quite proud of them?

:wicked:

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6 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

 

Sounds like you're quite proud of them?

:wicked:

Not really just sharing so people don't get shafted really ! 

 

6 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

 

Sounds like you're quite proud of them?

:wicked:

 

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the magnetics scan shown is a boot ,thank you ted for the heads up info ,i often buy duplicate 45,s and especially rare items .and pay strong money. i,m a collector first and i,m really grateful to be made aware counterfiet copies HAVE BEEN DONE.regardless of what some people say it doesn,t matter.....i think some would if they made a purchase in all honesty and it wasn,t the real deal at a later date. thx t best g

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Well at least we'll have an archive of any markings there are on the boots ... :)

And if Mr Massey or Mr Rimmer were to offer up runout pictures off originals then there would be a perfect reference that can be used by prospective buyers in future , and be included in any future publications by Mr Manship for example ... :thumbsup:

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2 hours ago, pomonkey said:

General Assembly gets plenty of plays on several scenes and saw an issue sold here for uk350 in July so hardly a forgotten oldie, let alone 30 years. Would still be a bizarre choice to boot but maybe that wasn't the one based on later comments. 

Not saying it's a bad record, it isn't, it's great, but I've not heard it played for many a year.  The issue is beautiful, I sold one about 5 years back but it was £125

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As far as the Magnetics is concerned the boot is easy to tell once you' ve seen an original. Text print is blurred on every line, label appears to be darker than the original, thing just looks cheap and badly photo copied. Still I am sure one or two poor newcomers with money to burn will get burned soon if and when one comes on the market. I know its been said its kinda "vanity project" but sure records do change hands sooner or later..

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23 minutes ago, Marc Forrest said:

As far as the Magnetics is concerned the boot is easy to tell once you' ve seen an original. Text print is blurred on every line, label appears to be darker than the original, thing just looks cheap and badly photo copied. Still I am sure one or two poor newcomers with money to burn will get burned soon if and when one comes on the market. I know its been said its kinda "vanity project" but sure records do change hands sooner or later..

You mean like these newcomers who are KNOWINGLY paying £100 for a Jimmy Mack with stuck on photocopy labels?

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44 minutes ago, Pete S said:

Ted going by the centre you appear to have the same kitchen worktop as I do, how about that!

 Funnily enough, I have the same too!

As posted on fb by a helpful Soulie for further "inspection" original next to bootleg

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With those two side by side, I can say with 100% confidence, the scan on the right is the wrong colour, the green is much darker, but I can't get my iphone to take a decent shot of it so you could see

 

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