hi all,just listening to a mirwood cd and wondered how much and how rare...

the performers..the day she needed me

the shephards...stubborn heart

the belles...dont pretend

thank you

jason

hi all,just listening to a mirwood cd and wondered how much and how rare...

the performers..the day she needed me

the shephards...stubborn heart

the belles...dont pretend

thank you

jason

Hi Jason

I've been trying to complete this label for years - (When Funds Allow)

- I've got The Belles - Don't Pretend - Words Can't Explain.

A brilliant Double Sider

According to Manship's USA Price Guide (3rd Edition) - DEMO £75 - Stock Copy £40

I have seen them go for less on ebay though they don't turn up too often.

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From Manship's USA Price Guide (3rd Edition) - The Sheppards DEMO £250 - Stock Copy £200

The Performers £20

There is a 4th Edition due so prices may change.

Edited October 18, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Its always been a strange label to collect

there is a theory that many of the Styrene copies are re-issues from when Simon sousan bought the rights to the label

also you can get many of them on vinyl

I collect these and they are very difficult to find

Maybe someone on here can enlighten me on this subject

thanks for the info guys,let the hunt begin

Its always been a strange label to collect

there is a theory that many of the Styrene copies are re-issues from when Simon sousan bought the rights to the label

also you can get many of them on vinyl

I collect these and they are very difficult to find

Maybe someone on here can enlighten me on this subject

Sorry can't enlighten you ,but when me and guys have a meet up, we do the MIRWOOD TEST. Get all the Mirwood copies between you, lay them out and sort out into originals and 2nd issues!!!.Changes everytime ,especially after a few beers!!

Maybe someone on here can enlighten me on this subject

The EXTENSIVE liner notes to the two volume "Mirwood Story" CDs on Kent/ACE goes a long way trying to sort out this mess. Really informative liner notes and worth the price alone.

Wow, i have a Sheppards demo paid £8.00 i think for it off an early Tim Brown list very early 90's, has to be the hardest Mirwood 45 to locate either stock/issue or demo?, fantastic grass roots of the scene label, timeless!!!

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

had a lovely mint, your time is my time-bob and earl- for a fiver, great tune it is too

Wow, i have a Sheppards demo paid £8.00 i think for it off an early Tim Brown list very early 90's, has to be the hardest Mirwood 45 to locate either stock/issue or demo?, fantastic grass roots of the scene label, timeless!!!

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Hi

I haven't got this one yet, but according to Popsike there are 2 different DEMO's for this one.

Both will be around the same value I guess, but I don't know If one is rarer than the other.

thanks for the info guys,let the hunt begin

Hi

Among my favourites on Mirwood is The Mirettes, which came out twice.

- I've got Mirwood 5514 - The Mirettes - He's Alright With Me - You're Kind Ain't No Good.

A brilliant Double Sider

and .... Mirwood 5531 - The Mirettes - Now That I Found You Baby - He's Alright With Me

A brilliant Double Sider

Amazingly neither are amongst the most expensive Mirwoods

Throughout almost the whole Label A or B Side, the Quality is astounding.

Edited October 19, 200618 yr by 45cellar

You have to say that if you saw that second Sheppards in a box, you'd shout "Boot!!"

But it's obvious that Mirwood used several different pressing plants in several different cities throughout the sixties. Complex one, this...

Hippo.

Edited October 19, 200618 yr by Jerry Hipkiss

You have to say that if you saw that second Sheppards in a box, you'd shout "Boot!!"

But it's obvious that Mirwood used several different pressing plants in several different cities throughout the sixties. Complex one, this...

Hippo.

Hi

It certainly is complex, these are my copies for The Duck - The DEMO and Purple Label I bought from Soul Bowl. The Blue one more recently from ebay.

Edited October 19, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Hi

It certainly is, these are my copies for The Duck - The DEMO and Purple Label I bought from Soul Bowl.

Roger, is there a pressing plant mark for that one on the far left (the plain block print)?

Roger, is there a pressing plant mark for that one on the far left (the plain block print)?

Hi

I've just been to have a look. The Purple & Blue are Styrene Monarch Delta 59032

The White DEMO is on Vinyl and I can't see an obvious pressing plant mark just the numbers etc scratched in the Deadwax

65-1016 A Mirwood - 5502 - A (x-1865 with a line through) X-1867

Edited October 19, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Wow, i have a Sheppards demo paid £8.00 i think for it off an early Tim Brown list very early 90's, has to be the hardest Mirwood 45 to locate either stock/issue or demo?, fantastic grass roots of the scene label, timeless!!!

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Blatant hi-jack alert!! Mark hope you bring it to Attic on 4th,,love it,,,Kev.

Interesting...just wondered if that was pressed somewhere other than the West Coast, for national release?

Ain't it strange how one of the longest-known NS labels can still fascinate us anoraks?

had a lovely mint, your time is my time-bob and earl- for a fiver, great tune it is too

Good way to spend a fiver, great tune , if you've got the "ears"

Interesting...just wondered if that was pressed somewhere other than the West Coast, for national release?

Ain't it strange how one of the longest-known NS labels can still fascinate us anoraks?

Hi

I have always loved this Label, even though some are cheap - some are expensive - some are easy to find - others impossible.

You're right .. Still fascinates me - yes I'm an anorak too - As they were cheap <-- (My Excuse - Told you "I'm an anorak") -

I've got 4 different Label Variations for "Baby, Do The Philly Dog" & 2 Different Demo's (Not so Cheap)

- A collectors Dream/Nightmare as to which was pressed first? but shows how many pressing plants were used and how many were made.

Double A - STYRENE DEMO....................... STYRENE ................................ STYRENE

................ VINYL ................................ VINYL ................................ A & B STYRENE DEMO

Edited October 19, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Its always been a strange label to collect

there is a theory that many of the Styrene copies are re-issues from when Simon sousan bought the rights to the label

also you can get many of them on vinyl

I collect these and they are very difficult to find

Maybe someone on here can enlighten me on this subject

Hi

Apart from the Soul Fox/Mirwood era in the 70's which we are all aware of, I must admit that I hadn't heard of this theory about the Styrene Copies.

As mentioned the Purple & The Blue issue are Monarch Delta # 59032

This dates it to September/October 1965, Monarch Delta #s are considered to be accurate when finding the date of press.

I've checked some of my other copies that are Styrene Monarch

5504 Delta # 60006 - Dec 1965/Jan 1966 - The Olympics - We Go Together

5505 Delta # 60224 - Jan 1966/Feb 1966 - The Belles - Don't Pretend

5511 Delta # 60709 - Feb 1966/Mar 1966 - Bobby Garrett - My Little Girl

5515 Delta # 59255 - Oct 1965/Nov 1965 - Earl Cosby - Ooh Honey Baby

5523 Delta # 62703 - Jul 1966/ Aug 1966 - The Olympics - Baby, Do The Philly Dog

To me these Delta #'s are the ones I would have expected for each record, so I can't see anything wrong with them.

Also I can't Imagine Simon Sousan had any interest in re-pressing "The Duck"?

I would say that the Styrene copies are 100% Original but from a different pressing plant - (Monarch)

Anyone any thoughts on this.

Edited October 21, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Hi

I've just been to have a look. The Purple & Blue are Styrene Monarch Delta 59032

The White DEMO is on Vinyl and I can't see an obvious pressing plant mark just the numbers etc scratched in the Deadwax

65-1016 A Mirwood - 5502 - A (x-1865 with a line through) X-1867

And worse still, Mine a black label pressed on vinyl

Roger, is there a pressing plant mark for that one on the far left (the plain block print)?

Label layout on the white one looks like the one used for Kent promos - maybe a west coast pressing using a local plant?

And worse still, Mine a black label pressed on vinyl

Label layout on the white one looks like the one used for Kent promos - maybe a west coast pressing using a local plant?

Hi

I saw the Black Label recently listed as first issue for the Duck, but It had no scan of the record. I think it was "Records By Mail" but not quite sure. Someone bought It before I could get around to ordering It.

I've seen a couple of Black Labels for Mirwood on the later numbers.

The Purple Label I have for "The Duck" is on Styrene & I also on have a Purple Label Vinyl copy. I have seen a Label scan for "I Can't Get Away" which had a Purple Label.

Does anyone know the order that the Coloured Labels were issued?

Is your Black Label the same design as most of the Mirwoods or like the White DEMO?

Edited October 25, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Wow, i have a Sheppards demo paid £8.00 i think for it off an early Tim Brown list very early 90's, has to be the hardest Mirwood 45 to locate either stock/issue or demo?, fantastic grass roots of the scene label, timeless!!!

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Mark I'll give you £16 for it, thats 100% profit....oh and I'll throw in postage too, or collect

About 4 years back I had a stunning vinyl white demo of That beatin Rhythm, Dave Flynn eventually nagged me so much to sell it that I sold it him for £80, never seen one since...what do we reckon, £250?

Roger, is there a pressing plant mark for that one on the far left (the plain block print)?

Hi Hippo,

My Ace colleague Peter Gibbon and I think that the left hand pressing is probably from Allied, where many Kent-Modern 45s of similar vintage were also pressed I have Mirwood 101 (The Gas Co., probably of no interest to anyone on here who doesn't collect the label) and that's of similar design on both issue and demo.

BTW which of the two Sheppards 45s are you calling "The Other One"? If it's the bottom one, I bought (and still own) one of that design from Soul Bowl in the early 80s for about three quid. Neither are boots. I think that my one is an RCA pressing, even though it doesn't have one of their unique *4KM- numbers. I have GWP and Laurie/Spectrum pressings that were pressed by RCA that look very similar...

TONE

Purple Bobby Garrett

Hi Hippo,

My Ace colleague Peter Gibbon and I think that the left hand pressing is probably from Allied, where many Kent-Modern 45s of similar vintage were also pressed I have Mirwood 101 (The Gas Co., probably of no interest to anyone on here who doesn't collect the label) and that's of similar design on both issue and demo.

BTW which of the two Sheppards 45s are you calling "The Other One"? If it's the bottom one, I bought (and still own) one of that design from Soul Bowl in the early 80s for about three quid. Neither are boots. I think that my one is an RCA pressing, even though it doesn't have one of their unique *4KM- numbers. I have GWP and Laurie/Spectrum pressings that were pressed by RCA that look very similar...

TONE

Thanks Tone, agreed that the GWP ones look very similar - fascinating info. Now where's my anorak...

Hippo.

On the subject of Mirwood promos, are they all Same Both Sides or did some come out with A and B sides?

I have only ever seen the same both sides type.

On the subject of Mirwood promos, are they all Same Both Sides or did some come out with A and B sides?

I have only ever seen the same both sides type.

My promo of Secret Agents has We Go Together on other side.Hope this helps.

Dave.

About 4 years back I had a stunning vinyl white demo of That beatin Rhythm, Dave Flynn eventually nagged me so much to sell it that I sold it him for £80, never seen one since...what do we reckon, £250?

Hi Pete

"That Beatin Rhythm" is definitely one of the hardest Mirwood's.

If it I hadn't bought mine from Soul Bowl in the 70's, I would still be searching for a copy.

Another 2 that are quite difficult are

I have seen these a couple of times, but very rarely seen.

Edited October 26, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Hi Pete

"That Beatin Rhythm" is definitely one of the hardest Mirwood's.

If it I hadn't bought mine from Soul Bowl in the 70's, I would still be searching for a copy.

Another 2 that are quite difficult are

I have seen these a couple of times, but very rarely seen.

I've had the Jackie Lee wd a couple of times - one recently - but I actually made a mistake earlier, the record I sold to dave Flynn was the white demo of Cigarette Ashes and not Beatin Rhythm. I got it off that guy from MA who had endless supplies of 45's in the early days of Ebay - Bill Nadolny

On the subject of Mirwood promos, are they all Same Both Sides or did some come out with A and B sides?

I have only ever seen the same both sides type.

Was just digging through some stuff for future eBaying and came across this nice white demo. Different tunes on each side, and a Weldon McDougal sticker!

On the subject of Mirwood promos, are they all Same Both Sides or did some come out with A and B sides?

I have only ever seen the same both sides type.

Hi

This is part of my Collection List showing the Mirwood White DEMO's that I have.

Some have A & B some have A & A - There doesn't appear to be any pattern to why some are and why some are not.

Another thing is that some are Styrene and some are Vinyl depending on the pressing plant.

In the case of 5523 I have 2 different DEMO's one with A & B the other A & A.

I don't know if this happened with any of the other numbers. I have two different DEMO copies for 5519

i.e. Could I expect to find a DEMO copy of Mirwood 5511 with "My Little Girl" on the B Side ?

I hope that this helps.

Edited October 26, 200618 yr by 45cellar

I've had the Jackie Lee wd a couple of times - one recently - but I actually made a mistake earlier, the record I sold to dave Flynn was the white demo of Cigarette Ashes and not Beatin Rhythm. I got it off that guy from MA who had endless supplies of 45's in the early days of Ebay - Bill Nadolny

Hi Pete

Yes, "Cigarette Ashes" is almost Impossible on DEMO, I think I have seen one in 38 years.

While on the subject of Cigarette Ashes, I notice the scan from Popsike has a different label variation to my copy,

mmmm Interesting, makes me wonder why It's so difficult to find one, if it has been pressed at least twice.

........

Edited October 26, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Hi

This is part of my Collection List showing the Mirwood White DEMO's that I have.

Some have A & B some have A & A - There doesn't appear to be any pattern to why some are and why some are not.

Another thing is that some are Styrene and some are Vinyl depending on the pressing plant.

In the case of 5523 I have 2 different DEMO's one with A & B the other A & A.

I don't know if this happened with any of the other numbers. I have two different DEMO copies for 5519

i.e. Could I expect to find a DEMO copy of Mirwood 5511 with "My Little Girl" on the B Side ?

I hope that this helps.

What value would you put on your Temptation Walk/Shotgun & The Duck Demo?....£20-£30 ?Not often seen.

Also,what if any,was the relasionship between Mirwood & Mira ?

What value would you put on your Temptation Walk/Shotgun & The Duck Demo?....£20-£30 ?Not often seen.

Also,what if any,was the relasionship between Mirwood & Mira ?

Think you're in the ballpark on that price - mine came from Adey Pierce at no more than

20.

AFAIK Mira was the pop-orientated branch...my favourite in that style has to be The Forum "The river is wide"...but there may have been some crossover between labels.

Jerry.

Edited October 26, 200618 yr by Jerry Hipkiss

What value would you put on your Temptation Walk/Shotgun & The Duck Demo?....£20-£30 ?Not often seen.

Also,what if any,was the relasionship between Mirwood & Mira ?

Hi Martyn

According to Manship's 3rd Edition 5510 DEMO is worth £20.

However I haven't seen many DEMO's.

I have noticed though, as with the others there are different Stock Copies

.....................VINYL....................................VINYL....................................STYRENE

I don't know if more DEMO's are about, but I haven't seen many considering the £20 VALUE. I wonder if there is a Styrene DEMO?

I have one on The Mira Label which also had a release on Mirwood

There obviously looks to be a connection, I would hazard a guess at them both being owned by Randy Wood, but I'm not sure.

Edited October 26, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Hi Pete

Yes, "Cigarette Ashes" is almost Impossible on DEMO, I think I have seen one in 38 years.

While on the subject of Cigarette Ashes, I notice the scan from Popsike has a different label variation to my copy,

mmmm Interesting, makes me wonder why It's so difficult to find one, if it has been pressed at least twice.

........

Got a WD of Cigarette Ashes but don't know how to do a scan! Sorry.

Also got an issue of the Sandi Sheldon ( big 45 before you ask) just mentioned as you have it on your membership to SS.

Julian

Got a WD of Cigarette Ashes but don't know how to do a scan! Sorry.

Also got an issue of the Sandi Sheldon ( big 45 before you ask) just mentioned as you have it on your membership to SS.

Julian

Hi Julian

Well, I don't think that I have seen a Stock Copy for Sandi Sheldon - Okeh 45 I don't know If anyone else has.

All that I have seen is the Okeh 45 White DEMO and the Okeh 45RPM Re-Issue Stock Copy.

As for Cigarette Ashes, It must be the most elusive of the Mirwood DEMO's.

Not sure how valuable these two are but I know they are Extremely Rare

Wish you could scan them, shame.

Edited October 26, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Hi Julian

Well, I don't think that I have seen a Stock Copy for Sandi Sheldon - Okeh 45 I don't know If anyone else has.

All that I have seen is the Okeh 45 White DEMO and the Okeh 45RPM Re-Issue Stock Copy.

As for Cigarette Ashes, It must be the most elusive of the Mirwood DEMO's.

Not sure how valuable these two are but I know they are Extremely Rare

Wish you could scan them, shame.

Hi Roger

managed to scan them into 'My Documents' under separate files. How do I attach them to a mailing on here? Anyone help - I can then get them posted for you to look at.

Julian

You have to say that if you saw that second Sheppards in a box, you'd shout "Boot!!"

Hippo.

Exactly what I thought Hippo

Back to stamp collecting I think

Hi Julian

When you reply you should see underneath where you type a white box File Attachments and a Browse button. Using the browse you should be able to select from your My Documents folder the file and click Add This Attachment.

Repeat for each file.

I hope this helps

Heres Jimmy and Sandi

got Sandi Sheldon of Adey croasdale years ago

Hi Julian

When you reply you should see underneath where you type a white box File Attachments and a Browse button. Using the browse you should be able to select from your My Documents folder the file and click Add This Attachment.

Repeat for each file.

I hope this helps

Here goes!

Sorry Julian didnt read the thread properly sorry to jump in

Sorry Julian didnt read the thread properly sorry to jump in

Glad you did,'cause it's obvious from my attempts above that I don't know what I'm doing!

Bloody computers.

Julian

Heres Jimmy and Sandi

got Sandi Sheldon of Adey croasdale years ago

Hi

Thanks for that, first time I've seen the Sandi Sheldon Stock Copy

The Jimmy Conwell looks to be Styrene from the scan, however the label design suggests Vinyl. Is it a Monarch press with delta # or Vinyl

Glad you did,'cause it's obvious from my attempts above that I don't know what I'm doing!

Bloody computers.

Julian

Hi Julian

Not a problem mate, Thanks for trying. Is your copy of Jimmy Conwell the same design.

Edited October 26, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Hi

Thanks for that, first time I've seen the Sandi Sheldon Stock Copy

The Jimmy Conwell looks to be Styrene from the scan, however the label design suggests Vinyl. Is it a Monarch press with delta # or Vinyl

Hi Julian

Not a problem mate, Thanks for trying. Is your copy of Jimmy Conwell the same design.

The JC is vinyl and has the numbers scratch in but also has 2 impressed 1's

The JC is vinyl and has the numbers scratch in but also has 2 impressed 1's

Hi Ted

Thanks for that, my "Cigarette Ashes" Stock Copy is on Vinyl and has the following in the Deadwax

"66-3088-B" @ 6 O'clock - Scratched

"1 1" @ 3 O'Clock - Stamped

Edited October 26, 200618 yr by 45cellar

Hi Ted

Thanks for that, my "Cigarette Ashes" Stock Copy is on Vinyl and has the following in the Deadwax

"66-3088-B" @ 6 O'clock - Scratched

"1 1" @ 3 O'Clock - Stamped

That matches the demo

That matches the demo

Hi Ted

The reason I asked was the other design on Popsike that I mentioned earlier.

It looks like it was pressed at 2 different pressing plants or a different batch from the same pressing plant as the Label Design is different.

It does make me wonder why it is so difficult to find. They must have only pressed up small quantities each time.