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Does anyone know where Garrison records [ Honey bees , Just Brothers etc ] was based ? Need the info to complete an article .Many thanks for any help ,Best ,Eddie

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I think it was new orleans, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Wand own this label? I'm sure I read that somewhere?

Cheers,

Rich.

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New York wasn't it?

useless trivia you probably know....Carlena was Don Manchas girlfriend. And wasn't Bobby and Wallace Swamp Dogg?

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I think it was new orleans, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Wand own this label? I'm sure I read that somewhere?

Cheers,

Rich.

it had ties with Scepter/Wand. Pete Garris the Garrison owner was the A&R man at Scepter apparently.

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New York wasn't it?

useless trivia you probably know....Carlena was Don Manchas girlfriend. And wasn't Bobby and Wallace Swamp Dogg?

New York indeed, and distributed by Scepter / Wand, not owned by them.

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And now we know! :P

Cheers guys... a fountain of knowledge as always.

Sorry if I confused things. Not sure where I got new orleans from?

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Thanks a million guys , some great info , didn't know the " Carlena " story - love it !! Very best ,Eddie

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And now we know! :P

Cheers guys... a fountain of knowledge as always.

Sorry if I confused things. Not sure where I got new orleans from?

1st. record Garrison released (Earl Harrison) was issued on a New Orleans based label A.B.S (always better sounds) first...so your not completely wrong.

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1st. record Garrison released (Earl Harrison) was issued on a New Orleans based label A.B.S (always better sounds) first...so your not completely wrong.

Humphrey Stomp was also issued on Wand - in case anyone tells you otherwise.

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Wasn't Carlena Detriot?

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Wasn't Carlena Detriot?

Yes it was a Detroit recording but leased out to this New York label .Best ,Eddie

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Yes it was a Detroit recording but leased out to this New York label .Best ,Eddie

Few! cheers Eddie, thought i was going mad or incredibly wrong there biggrin.gif

Traits on the lable is a great cheapie :thumbsup:

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Few! cheers Eddie, thought i was going mad or incredibly wrong there :P

Traits on the lable is a great cheapie :ohmy:

you're not wrong there baz :lol:

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On 22/05/2007 at 19:15, Steve G said:

 

 

Humphrey Stomp was also issued on Wand - in case anyone tells you otherwise.

Issued on U.K. London too, probably where it was picked up for first plays at the Wheel.

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The label was registered in Pasadena Texas and was founded by John Terry who at the time had about 6 alias namely Johnny Winford Terry, T. Winfred, Terry, Terry Winford, Terry Winifred, W. E. Terry, W. Terry, W.E. Terry, Winford, Winford E. Terry etc he must of had a number of address scattered all over the USA ? He used Empire records to push his various enterprises and was well networked because of the success he had in the Drifters and of course with Slice Tomatoes which was a huge bill board R/B hit. Hope this helps Eddie. 

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Johnny Terry was with The Drifters, and worked a lot out of New York.  But several Detroit producers teamed up with him to release their Detroit-recorded products.  Empire had mostly (if not exclusively) Detroit productions, and Garrison had productions from all over USA, but had several Detroit productions.  Johnny Terry also placed some Detroit productions with Juggy Murray's group of New York labels.

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I always thought the Honey Bees was Philly or Detroit. ?

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2 hours ago, Dave Fleming said:

I always thought the Honey Bees was Philly or Detroit. ?

I always thought they recorded under the names The Cinderellas, The Cookies and The Palisades out of New York, but The Garrison release might just be a same name different group ? I think Dave you are referring to Honey And The Bees :):)

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15 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

I always thought they recorded under the names The Cinderellas, The Cookies and The Palisades out of New York, but The Garrison release might just be a same name different group ? I think Dave you are referring to Honey And The Bees :):)

No The Honey Bees,just had a look at my copy and Let’s get back together is written by Don Mancha and Edwin Starr,and arranged by Mike Terry.And Never in a million years written by Bridges and Beasley and arranged by Mike Terry,also it’s the vocal to Jack Montgomery on Barracuda which is Detroit,and both have the same publisher that’s why I thought it was Detroit..........

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4 hours ago, Dave Fleming said:

I always thought the Honey Bees was Philly or Detroit. ?

Honey & The Bees were the Philly act, recording for Arctic, Josie etc.

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14 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Honey & The Bees were the Philly act, recording for Arctic, Josie etc.

I know that mate that’s why I said the Honey Bees and not Honey and The Bees.....😉

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Shades of Soul Issue 16 has a listing supplied by Tom Creedon/Derek Pearson.

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1 hour ago, Dave Fleming said:

I know that mate that’s why I said the Honey Bees and not Honey and The Bees.....😉

As in the listing

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4 hours ago, Dave Fleming said:

No The Honey Bees,just had a look at my copy and Let’s get back together is written by Don Mancha and Edwin Starr,and arranged by Mike Terry.And Never in a million years written by Bridges and Beasley and arranged by Mike Terry,also it’s the vocal to Jack Montgomery on Barracuda which is Detroit,and both have the same publisher that’s why I thought it was Detroit..........

Thought you were still after this ?.....hope you didn't buy it from some one local we both know 🤔😳😉

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On 22/05/2007 at 20:45, Baz said:

Traits on the lable is a great cheapie :thumbsup:

As with a lot of others that’s changed

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17 hours ago, Theothertosspot said:

Shades of Soul Issue 16 has a listing supplied by Tom Creedon/Derek Pearson.

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There you go Detroit 😉

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The label was not Detroit. It was owned by Pete Garris and one of the Scepter guys in NY (Sam Goff who was dating Florence's daughter) and they released tracks from NY, New Orleans, Texas and Detroit. Can't believe having documented and researched all this thoroughly in my book, there is still so little knowledge and the same erroneous myths still abound😩.  

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On 03/08/2019 at 17:45, Dave Fleming said:

I know that mate that’s why I said the Honey Bees and not Honey and The Bees.....😉

I should have made it clearer, The Honey Bees weren't from Philly, it was Honey & the Bees who were Philly.  Wasn't really for your benefit as I knew you would now where the Honey & The Bees were from, I just happened to quote your comment.

The Honey Bees were from New York.

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On 03/08/2019 at 15:41, Blackpoolsoul said:

I always thought they recorded under the names The Cinderellas, The Cookies and The Palisades out of New York, but The Garrison release might just be a same name different group ? I think Dave you are referring to Honey And The Bees :):)

Apparently they were previously The Orchids of That Boy Is Messing Up My Mind fame.

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photo from the book Girl Groups: Fabulous Females Who Rocked the World

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I've become confused ... not about Garrison Records because Steve G has set that record straight ... more about the Honey Bees

There are comments on YT from family members about who they were ... I'm sure this has been pointed out before

As examples

Delano Williams 3 years ago

This is My Aunt Barbara Williams; I AM Juanita Williams Son.... Thank You for remember them...... GOD BLESS

There was a YT comment from a family member that named all of the group members

Has anybody saved it ?

Andy 

 

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The Honey bees were from Detroit (not NY) and were spotted singing in a night club - again from my book.    They comprised Barbara Ann Williams, her sister Juanita Williams and a lady who's last name was Stegall. I got that piece of info from Gilly originally. 

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9 minutes ago, Steve G said:

The Honey bees were from Detroit (not NY) and were spotted singing in a night club - again from my book.    They comprised Barbara Ann Williams, her sister Juanita Williams and a lady who's last name was Stegall. I got that piece of info from Gilly originally. 

I am sure your info is correct Steve, however there are a few clips of the Garrison 45 on youtube which clearly cross reference pictures of the group that were on Fontana 'She don't deserve you'. This group are documented as being Margaret Ross, Dorothy Jones, Earl-Jean Mcrae. So it would appear those posting these vids obviosly have their wires crossed. Group harmony has the Detriot group as uncredited backing singers on Jack Montgomerys Barracuda 45.

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3 minutes ago, Still Diggin said:

I am sure your info is correct Steve, however there are a few clips of the Garrison 45 on youtube which clearly cross reference pictures of the group that were on Fontana 'She don't deserve you'. This group are documented as being Margaret Ross, Dorothy Jones, Earl-Jean Mcrae. So it would appear those posting these vids obviosly have their wires crossed. Group harmony has the Detriot group as uncredited backing singers on Jack Montgomerys Barracuda 45.

Yes I am sure they were on Jack Mongomery's 45; that would tie up nicely. The Fontana group were completely different as I am sure you know. Cheers.  

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The info about the Honey Bees being the Orchids is in the comments on this video...

 

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7 hours ago, Steve G said:

Yes I am sure they were on Jack Mongomery's 45; that would tie up nicely. The Fontana group were completely different as I am sure you know. Cheers.  

Thanks Steve for the info was the Garrison release the Detroit's Honey Bees only release

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The comment from the nephew is in this video

 

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10 minutes ago, Chalky said:

The comment from the niece is in this video

 

I wondered if Juanita Williams is the same lady that sang on Golden World (would make sense) 

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The video below is from the son of Juanita, Delano Williams. it shows how all the group members are connected

https://youtu.be/d32GQSAsTyc

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34 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

I wondered if Juanita Williams is the same lady that sang on Golden World (would make sense) 

Yes she is.

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This is great stuff about this label

Does anyone know who Bobby and Wallace were

 

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34 minutes ago, Chalky said:

The video below is from the son of Juanita, Delano Williams. it shows how all the group members are connected

https://youtu.be/d32GQSAsTyc

That name Stegall again....the third member was called Stegall. 

1 minute ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

This is great stuff about this label

Does anyone know who Bobby and Wallace were

 

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Yes I do. One of them was Jerry Williams barber. You really do need to buy my book before they're all gone. 

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3 minutes ago, Steve G said:

Yes she is.

Thanks Steve and to fill in the gap (thanks to Chalky posting the video) The other lady is Mary "Stegall" Lucas

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5 minutes ago, Steve G said:

That name Stegall again....the third member was called Stegall. 

Yes I do. One of them was Jerry Williams barber. You really do need to buy my book before they're all gone. 

I need to read it fully rather than dip in and out. I have a back log of books to read though. 

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29 minutes ago, Chalky said:

I need to read it fully rather than dip in and out. I have a back log of books to read though. 

At least you bought a copy Chalky for which I thank you.  I'd just started a second book about forgotten Alabama soul singers which would have been a right riveting read, but I am seriously thinking of giving up on it. A diminishing number of people seem to want factual information in a written format, much easier to speculate and guess on the internet I guess, and of course it is free. A bit like the wider world right now I suppose. PS: Maybe we should call the NY Honeybees (Earl Jean etc.) The Honeybees (2) to avoid confusion with the Detroit gals. 😉

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46 minutes ago, Steve G said:

At least you bought a copy Chalky for which I thank you.  I'd just started a second book about forgotten Alabama soul singers which would have been a right riveting read, but I am seriously thinking of giving up on it. A diminishing number of people seem to want factual information in a written format, much easier to speculate and guess on the internet I guess, and of course it is free. A bit like the wider world right now I suppose. PS: Maybe we should call the NY Honeybees (Earl Jean etc.) The Honeybees (2) to avoid confusion with the Detroit gals. 😉

Steve, don't give up, some folks still read books and I appreciate how much work you have done and must need to do to get all the info and get it published, it must be tough work. It must be as simple as some people collect CD's not vinyl or use MP3's in the "New World". I don't collect books and am one of the "hunt around" on the net for info. It's IMHO that knowledge should be shared as much as possible (especially on this site) and I love that some of the members on here know so so much and are sharing it for histories/accuracy sake :)

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