mine is Frank 'bloody' Wilson and that sodin Nite Owl.lol

Overplayed out and on UK radio Lou Rawls "See ya when I get there"

Edited August 7, 200718 yr by Simon M

Doug Banks - I Just Kept On Dancing

Dottie & Millie - Talkin About My Baby (don't know why the other side's not played more!)

Can I have your 'battered to death' copy of the vangaurds cheep now Paul

M.

.....well, theres the thing. Not only is it battered...its really expensive TOO!!! Not saying it wasn't or isn't a good tune. Its just that rather than treating these tunes with respect and nurturing them, because the dj has paid a zillion quid for it, we are going to hear it every bloody time they are on. Sometimes , if three have it, were going to hear it three times in one night. Thats not a "good time" for me

Edited August 7, 200718 yr by paul-s

You might not give a toss Matt but some of us still like to keep the standards high & do genuinely have more of an interest in the music other than just hearing the tune at a venue.

Simon

You misunderstand me Simon.

I didn't say i didn't have standards and didn't want to hear quality sounds and rarely played stuff, that's my preference in fact. What i don't give a toss about is someone giving me lecture on what i should be listening to. I'm not an eager to please 17 year old anymore so i can take or leave people who feel they have to prescribe what i should listen to.

That clearer?

You misunderstand me Simon.

I didn't say i didn't have standards and didn't want to hear quality sounds and rarely played stuff, that's my preference in fact. What i don't give a toss about is someone giving me lecture on what i should be listening to. I'm not an eager to please 17 year old anymore so i can take or leave people who feel they have to prescribe what i should listen to.

That clearer?

Much clearer thanks Matt, sorry if i came across too aggressive i just think it's very easy to call people soul police etc. & to not appreciate that some of these people are the very ones who kept the scene going through the leaner years & have constantly strived to find new & exciting sounds for me & you to dance to, i just think some peeps are too lazy or just ignorant to understand this fact.

I agree with you that i don't want lectures from people also but i am interested to hear the views & the knowledge of certain peeps.

Simon

Dottie & Millie - Talkin About My Baby (don't know why the other side's not played more!)

Excellent taste, Mr Stubbs - B side...'Nothing In this World'....a TOS favourite - midtempo magic But agree with the Doug Banks. Jo

because the dj has paid a zillion quid for it, we are going to hear it every bloody time they are on. Sometimes , if three have it, were going to hear it three times in one night. Thats not a "good time" for me

I agree with you, Paul. A few years back at Prestatyn, I must've heard 'Just a Boys Dream' 4 or 5 times....in one night It wasn't a good time for me either Jo

Much clearer thanks Matt, sorry if i came across too aggressive i just think it's very easy to call people soul police etc. & to not appreciate that some of these people are the very ones who kept the scene going through the leaner years & have constantly strived to find new & exciting sounds for me & you to dance to, i just think some peeps are too lazy or just ignorant to understand this fact.

I agree with you that i don't want lectures from people also but i am interested to hear the views & the knowledge of certain peeps.

Simon

I agree with all that you say. I always took 'soul police' as a derogatory term as well for those people who use their knowledge and collections as weapons to put people down and talk down to others on the scene. Like i say, things are a lot nicer these days and there seems to be less of that nasty 'i'm more soulful cos i know more than you' crap. I don't consider the record hunters and those with vast collections and knowledge who never gave up and actually share it to be the soul police (people like Mark Freeman for example). As you say they do us all a favour and we're better off for having them.

Whenever i hear it i think of VIC REEVES.

Derek

Spot on, i always think that - sang in the 'pub style' !

Ste.

This makes me laugh, what you forgot Simon to add is it also often thrown at people who dare to comment when a record with no remote relation to soul is included in that genre, or the worse type of Northern is praised "because it fills the dance floor", but Simon's description, of people who care, put it in perspective.

As one who in my early days on here was often accused of being a member I would counter its often a tired and innefective insult doled out by people with little confidence in their own taste, by the sheep who want all the same records they heard in 1973/1983/1993 [delete whichever is not the year they first went to a do], by people who have returned to the scene after an excess of 20 years absence and seem to take offense when people show their knowledge or dont want to hear the same records as them as they have been played constantly over those 20 years, or people who just generally dont get the ethos of the rare soul scene and prefer their local soul nights for local people which they just happen to DJ at.Oh and they always say they were only joking afterwards.******

Matt your's is the funniest, I think you are really meaning the Tommo's, Oz's, Pete Lawsons of those days. You are also confusing their playfulness [or bullying depending on how they took you] with the vast majority of peoples [including them when they weren't being mad] love for the music and interest in more than getting pished at their local soul night. am not condoning all their behaviours but when they were on form musically they knew their stuff, and oh they could have fun also, Bit of an oxymoron [sic] think Matt. I hardly think Guy H or Tim Finch Dave Withers,Dave Thorley etc etc who came to prominence in the 80's fit your description. Sounds like you, like many others didnt get it then, And if that was the soul police then FFS they hardly fit Jo's description. The most annoying bit is the assumption "anoraks" or whatever is todays playground insult cant have fun, you obviously weren't paying attention were you.

The rare soul scene has always been about record collecting, and knowledge, get over it, again my only assumption is this is an insult levelled by people who are intimidated by that knowledge and love of the music. The fact the the majority of todays scene more resembles the British Legion type scene of the 80's (and dont mean soul do;s at them!) rather than any soul scene i recognise may play a part.

i dont often get involved in such debates on here as they very rarely reflect reality but this one has me particularly dismayed, when a top promoter and top DJ throw around such tired stereotypes, i would suggest that many DJ's at your do's Andy would include themselves in the description if its levelled at anoraks. Its due to the attitidues expressed in here i rarely attend these days.

And Jo yes there are two types for me, general soul fans and Northern fans, would suggest the second most relevant to here, so would love a better explanation of whats bad and whats good/.

And yes am ranting, having a crap morning in a crap place and this just reminds me why i realised in mid 90's this scene (or scenes plural as it really is) is not the place i want to be part of.

Off for a pint of Buckfast.

Jock O'Connor

***** No dont really believe that all of this applies to everyone in these groupls, just the majority!

Overplayed out and on UK radio Lou Rawls "See ya when I get there"

I STILL LOVE IT - TOP TRACK!

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Sounds like you, like many others didnt get it then,

you obviously weren't paying attention were you.

A bit pompous and patronising that. Am i going to be tested on this later? I wish i'd remembered everything Tommo told me now...

We're just having a laugh about the soul police and you come over all po-faced and insulting. You need to lighten up mate.

Seriously though i didn't mention any names and the people you mentioned weren't who i had in mind then or now. I wouldn't have the interest in soul that i have if it wasn't for Tommo and Bunny and Gilly and Mick Cope and Rich Hall etc... and their dedication and instinct. They dug deeper and further and for longer than anyone. It's true i spent more of my time dancing than going through record boxes but I liked Tommo, he was a good bloke (and like you say very, very funny). I think the worst i ever got from Tommo was being called 'not shiny' (matt geddit?) and can't remember ever having a conversation with Pete Lawson, although he was around, so no scars i'm afraid Jock.

Sure had lots of fun, maybe a bit too much sometimes which is one of the reasons i can never remember anything thesedays.

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by Matt Male

And Jo yes there are two types for me, general soul fans and Northern fans, would suggest the second most relevant to here, so would love a better explanation of whats bad and whats good/.

Jock, hopefully my brain isn't too mashed and the following sounds coherent...

Bad Soul Police:

Still stuck in their own time warp. Won't accept anything that's gone before or after and are generally negative about everything and everyone.....tell you your set was crap, the dancefloor was crap, the promoter was crap etc without coming up with constructive remarks on how to improve on any of the above....I'm always open to suggestions to make things better.

Good Soul Police:

Open minded people who embrace change yet respect the musical heritage of the scene. People who do lucid reports on venues and tunes that have floated their boat with a positive and supportive approach. I wish I could split myself like an atom and be at every gig every weekend and draw my own conclusions. But that isn't possible and I rely on other peoples suggestions - venue wise and track wise....people who share their knowledge and who have a laugh....

Anyway, I'm a total 'anorak' and proud of it.....

I think that's what I mean anyway I'll go back to my barcodes.... Jo

Edited August 7, 200718 yr by vinylvixen

Simon, I think there are 2 different genres of Soul Police at work......the Good and the Bad.....anyway, I'm finding this a great post - peoples tastes aren't that different. A lot of similar choices being made...keep 'em coming Jo

Ok, I will - me and most of the rest of the soul world could cheerfully survive without ever hearing "Make Sure" again, for a start....

Ok, I will - me and most of the rest of the soul world could cheerfully survive without ever hearing "Make Sure" again, for a start....

I'm cut to the quick Tony The only way you'll stop me is to kill me...... Good call though Jo

Eh?

Aren't there only 4 copies out there at the mo?

Maybe you should get the DJ to turn it over & play the other side

Both sides

Tad more than four copys been hammered over the last 2 years!

mines THE SOUL POLICE ,WE KNOW WHATS BEST FOR EVERYONE, ON THE UP YOUR OWN ARSE LABEL

Ooh ! controversial Mr soultown

I've had the soul police on my case..

I was djing once and the officer climbed on to the stage walked pass the front of the decks looked at the record that was playing just to make sure it was an original... strange thing is he done it in a just happen to passing this way sort of way... You climbed on the stage man...

Many thanks, Simon, Jo, Simon and Matt.

All a lot clearer now.

As for records I'm sick of hearing....

Sorry, I can't think of any.

Been stuck indoors for quite a few weeks and would be glad of a Frank Wilson or two!

Hi Sean ,talking of Soul Police, they're usually in plain clothes so as to mingle in.If a dj gets the price/label/writer/era wrong ,they are the ones who look like there's something nasty on their top lip,while the rest of us either haven't heard/don't care/laugh it off with said dj.Hope this helps.

Lil Major Williams

MR SOUL

jocko - "The rare soul scene has always been about record collecting, and knowledge, " dont think so, its about a dancefloor and enjoying yerself!

jocko - "The rare soul scene has always been about record collecting, and knowledge, " dont think so, its about a dancefloor and enjoying yerself!

To have one you cant have another though

With out the collectors and knowlage the dance floor would be like a wedding do at every venue playing the same 'availiable' sounds, and the dancefloor drive's the knowlagable to find the next bit thing surley?

This makes me laugh, what you forgot Simon to add is it also often thrown at people who dare to comment when a record with no remote relation to soul is included in that genre, or the worse type of Northern is praised "because it fills the dance floor", but Simon's description, of people who care, put it in perspective.

As one who in my early days on here was often accused of being a member I would counter its often a tired and innefective insult doled out by people with little confidence in their own taste, by the sheep who want all the same records they heard in 1973/1983/1993 [delete whichever is not the year they first went to a do], by people who have returned to the scene after an excess of 20 years absence and seem to take offense when people show their knowledge or dont want to hear the same records as them as they have been played constantly over those 20 years, or people who just generally dont get the ethos of the rare soul scene and prefer their local soul nights for local people which they just happen to DJ at.Oh and they always say they were only joking afterwards.******

Matt your's is the funniest, I think you are really meaning the Tommo's, Oz's, Pete Lawsons of those days. You are also confusing their playfulness [or bullying depending on how they took you] with the vast majority of peoples [including them when they weren't being mad] love for the music and interest in more than getting pished at their local soul night. am not condoning all their behaviours but when they were on form musically they knew their stuff, and oh they could have fun also, Bit of an oxymoron [sic] think Matt. I hardly think Guy H or Tim Finch Dave Withers,Dave Thorley etc etc who came to prominence in the 80's fit your description. Sounds like you, like many others didnt get it then, And if that was the soul police then FFS they hardly fit Jo's description. The most annoying bit is the assumption "anoraks" or whatever is todays playground insult cant have fun, you obviously weren't paying attention were you.

The rare soul scene has always been about record collecting, and knowledge, get over it, again my only assumption is this is an insult levelled by people who are intimidated by that knowledge and love of the music. The fact the the majority of todays scene more resembles the British Legion type scene of the 80's (and dont mean soul do;s at them!) rather than any soul scene i recognise may play a part.

i dont often get involved in such debates on here as they very rarely reflect reality but this one has me particularly dismayed, when a top promoter and top DJ throw around such tired stereotypes, i would suggest that many DJ's at your do's Andy would include themselves in the description if its levelled at anoraks. Its due to the attitidues expressed in here i rarely attend these days.

And Jo yes there are two types for me, general soul fans and Northern fans, would suggest the second most relevant to here, so would love a better explanation of whats bad and whats good/.

And yes am ranting, having a crap morning in a crap place and this just reminds me why i realised in mid 90's this scene (or scenes plural as it really is) is not the place i want to be part of.

Off for a pint of Buckfast.

Jock O'Connor

***** No dont really believe that all of this applies to everyone in these groupls, just the majority!

well said sir

Very well written and some excellent points there jocko and i have no doubt you are very sincere in what you say.But the two statements ,intimidated by people of knowledge, and,people who generally dont get the ethos of the rare soul scene,sum up the soul police perfectly for me.The reality is that some dont see it your way and comments like that piss people off big time.You quite rightly point out that the guys who worked hard in the eightys to keep the scene alive deserve great credit,whilst some had the audacity to take breaks from the scene.Fact is this scene is for everybody and means so much to so many in lots of different ways,neither the oldies crew nor the rare and underplayed crew have any rights on owning the scene,without one there wouldnt be the other.I do honestly belive there is an element amongst the rare underplayed crew that look down on the rest of the scene,but these are just my own opinions which mean very little in the great scheme of things.Good point about the djs that do my gigs some are fully fledged members of tsp,but i dont pick djs cause there my buddies its because there good,and your right i shouldnt have said only joking because i wasnt.There are an awful lot of returnees to this scene who are working just as hard as the guys from the 80s to make this a good scene for everyone not just certain sections.

Anyway, back to the plot campers! My hated track at the mo is that Jo bleedin' Jama. Makes me reach for the sick bag. Henry's got a lot to answer for, apart from coming from Scunny! (Soz H!)

Steve (Tin helmet on, awaiting incoming......)

Anyway, back to the plot campers! My hated track at the mo is that Jo bleedin' Jama. Makes me reach for the sick bag. Henry's got a lot to answer for, apart from coming from Scunny! (Soz H!)

Steve (Tin helmet on, awaiting incoming......)

Then again, reading the thread title again, I'm not suggesting it's an 'Oldie' before the Soul Fire Brigade come and extinguish me. Just shite!

Both sides

Tad more than four copys been hammered over the last 2 years!

Lil Major Williams,? Try 7 years. I actually dropped it for a while but keep getting asked to play it

Personally can't stand hearing "heaven in the afternoon" or Charles Johnson these days.

Lil Major Williams,? Try 7 years. I actually dropped it for a while but keep getting asked to play it

Personally can't stand hearing "heaven in the afternoon" or Charles Johnson these days.

What about the remix version on Pad , Steve , your good friend Barny Father plays ?

I STILL LOVE IT - TOP TRACK!

Actually Ive got into Chuck Corbys version now !!

Actually Ive got into Chuck Corbys version now !!

Yeah much better version.....

Jesse James " If you want a love affair" brilliant record , but played way too much everywhere from Jazz funk to Northern venues .. what about his "Love vibes " 7'' on Midtown well worth more attention

Actually Ive got into Chuck Corbys version now !!

I've not heard it, how much etc etc etc?

Ste.

I've not heard it, how much etc etc etc?

Ste.

Its very nice , it has a more urgent all-nighter feel to it , . Seems to vary in price on the bay plus I think Soul Bowl have some

I've not heard it, how much etc etc etc?

Ste.

Stick with Lou Rawls (no matter how 'over-played' ya-de-da etc etc.) Getting the Chuck Corby ain't gonna extend your enjoyment of the track (IMO of course). It's same meat, different gravy really. Plus someone will probably try to stiff you for daft money for it. (Henry had a job lot and used to knock them out for about a tenner each I think. He might still have some).

Steve

Ahhh! bloody hell Steve ,there,s all the requests i had lined up 4 you on Saturday night(Junction) possibly you cwould fill the floor with them (like at Whitby on the Saturday afternoon!!!--l.o.l.

Regards

Tony Coleby and Rani.

Stick with Lou Rawls (no matter how 'over-played' ya-de-da etc etc.) Getting the Chuck Corby ain't gonna extend your enjoyment of the track (IMO of course). It's same meat, different gravy really. Plus someone will probably try to stiff you for daft money for it. (Henry had a job lot and used to knock them out for about a tenner each I think. He might still have some).

Steve

Stick with Lou Rawls (no matter how 'over-played' ya-de-da etc etc.) Getting the Chuck Corby ain't gonna extend your enjoyment of the track (IMO of course). It's same meat, different gravy really. Plus someone will probably try to stiff you for daft money for it. (Henry had a job lot and used to knock them out for about a tenner each I think. He might still have some).

Steve

Ok, will stick with Mr.Rawls unless the other copy finds its own way to me - i do like an alternative version or two though!

Ste.

Ok, will stick with Mr.Rawls unless the other copy finds its own way to me - i do like an alternative version or two though!

Ste.

I'd say its slightly fresher gravy on the Chuck Corby

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by Simon M

THE CHASE IS ON - Johnny Howard GOOD TIMES BAD TIMES - Vanguards....BATTERED TO DEATH!! (I'll have chips with that!)

Yes Johnny Howard indeed ..Battered is an understatement...

Many know my that i want to leave this planet when i hear DANCE DANCE DANCE

That first line?? does it say music fills the air ..

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by little-stevie

Yes Johnny Howard indeed ..Battered is an understatement...

Many know my that i want to leave this planet when i hear DANCE DANCE DANCE

That first line?? does it say music fills the air ..

I feel like ending it all when 'Right track' comes on, what a boring overplayed plodder of a record ...not that you really hear it anymore that is, thank God.

Ste.

I feel like ending it all when 'Right track' comes on, what a boring overplayed plodder of a record ...not that you really hear it anymore that is, thank God.

Ste.

..Thats a tough one to beat my friend..I would rather run naked at clan meeting than listen to that....Also that foooooooooooooooooooooooking DUCK

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by little-stevie

..Thats a tough one to beat my friend..I would rather run naked at clan meeting than listen to that....Also that foooooooooooooooooooooooking DUCK

Strange you are saying that Steve, i thought that record (Duck) was always your 'ender' at Soul or nothing?

Ste.

..Thats a tough one to beat my friend..I would rather run naked at clan meeting than listen to that....Also that foooooooooooooooooooooooking DUCK

The Peanut variety or Jackie Lee's pet?? Jo

Jackie Lee ...Can we have a reminder of the peanut version??? not heard it for many many years,sound clip please...

Jackie Lee ...Can we have a reminder of the peanut version??? not heard it for many many years,sound clip please...

Cant we just forget about it?!?

P.S. do you still want me to buy - if i can find it - a copy of 'Love on a mountain top' Steve, you mentioned that you wanted it for your engagement party?

Ste.

P.S. do you still want me to buy - if i can find it - a copy of 'Love on a mountain top' Steve, you mentioned that you wanted it for your engagement party?

Ste.

Played that at one of GT's Brighouse bun-fights once. Half the crowd wanted to have me elevated to saint-hood, half the crowd wanted to have me rubbed out. Forever.

I reckon I could have split the crowd half and half like they used to do at pantomimes with one side of the hall cheering and one side booing. Now there's an idea for a night...............(Oh no it's not.....Oh yes it is....)

Steve

..Thats a tough one to beat my friend..I would rather run naked at clan meeting than listen to that....Also that foooooooooooooooooooooooking DUCK

I actually quite luck Willie Hutch's "The Duck" and view it as one half of a classic double header

As for Lou Rawls / Chuck Corby lets be blunt about it, neither is brilliant, it's just that Chuck Corby has more of an earthy feel to it.

Edited August 8, 200718 yr by Steve G

Played that at one of GT's Brighouse bun-fights once. Half the crowd wanted to have me elevated to saint-hood, half the crowd wanted to have me rubbed out. Forever.

I reckon I could have split the crowd half and half like they used to do at pantomimes with one side of the hall cheering and one side booing. Now there's an idea for a night...............(Oh no it's not.....Oh yes it is....)

Steve

You're a brave man playing that anywhere!

Ste.

Played that at one of GT's Brighouse bun-fights once. Half the crowd wanted to have me elevated to saint-hood, half the crowd wanted to have me rubbed out. Forever.

I reckon I could have split the crowd half and half like they used to do at pantomimes with one side of the hall cheering and one side booing. Now there's an idea for a night...............(Oh no it's not.....Oh yes it is....)

Steve

Steve,

Gail & I were there on that fine occasion (oh no you wern't, oh yes we were) & as I remember it, someone had spiked your glass of wine with a bottle of wine, so you had a very strong sway on (to say the least) so the half & half crowd count was infact you having double vision & actually wanted you in an "Elevator with a couple of hoods" but your right the other half did want you rubbed out, we however love you no matter what you play, honest!!

Anyway a couple that are starting to do my head in besides Chris Claaaaaark "Su ling wong" are; Dj Have a p*ss - Insult to Betty (even though it a brill dancer) & Checkerboard sq's - Double cookin'.

By the way Steve where did you & Lubby disappear to friday night at Hull Soul? I said "Hello" had a dance & you were gone, surely my dancings not that bad that you had go home?

Spot.

Joseph Webster