Steveh73 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word for some people! Why is that? What is it about 'disco' or some people's perceptions of 'disco' that winds people up? Discuss! Steve. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word for some people! Why is that? What is it about 'disco' or some people's perceptions of 'disco' that winds people up? Discuss! Steve. the music is crud.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Epic Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 the music is crud.. A beautifully crafted & in depth answer - care to expand on your already well reasoned posting. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 A beautifully crafted & in depth answer - care to expand on your already well reasoned posting. ok then the music is crud..the ppl cant dance..and they all love themselves and are just out on the pull there you are hows that Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harrogatesoul Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Like any musical genre there's good and bad and to simply dismiss a genre completely is a little narrow minded. Yes, Village People / Boney M etc etc is the very worst of disco BUT look at something like Joey Negros Disco Spectrum compilations and the likes of Family Of Eve / Hudson People / Ramsey & Co / Al Hudson / Rare Pleasure can all easily fall under the umbrella of 'disco'. There's some great tunes out there which we call 'soul' 'northern' 'modern' 'crossover' etc etc but I bet there's quite a few out there when first produced were intended to be hits and cash in on the 'new music' of disco. Rich Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 A beautifully crafted & in depth answer - care to expand on your already well reasoned posting. don't think most know what disco is when dismissing it as they do when often what they are referring to is just a continuation and progression of the 60's stuff. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 ok then the music is crud..the ppl cant dance..and they all love themselves and are just out on the pull there you are hows that to quote Epic...another beautifully crafted & in depth answer Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Epic Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 ok then the music is crud..the ppl cant dance..and they all love themselves and are just out on the pull there you are hows that Very similar scenario at clubs up & down the country - including Northern gigs. Lew Kirton, Benny Troy, The Brothers, Bill Harris, Brainstorm, Tavares, Moments, Gentlemen & Their Lady,Millie Jackson etc etc. All the above are disco records - all been very popular in Northern circles at one time or another. Is it just that they are "acceptable" crud ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Very similar scenario at clubs up & down the country - including Northern gigs. Lew Kirton, Benny Troy, The Brothers, Bill Harris, Brainstorm, Tavares, Moments, Gentlemen & Their Lady,Millie Jackson etc etc. All the above are disco records - all been very popular in Northern circles at one time or another. Is it just that they are "acceptable" crud ? why are they crud..cos u dont like them im allowed an opinion and mine is disco is crud Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark R Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 don't think most know what disco is when dismissing it as they do when often what they are referring to is just a continuation and progression of the 60's stuff. I think you're right Chalky..........an overused word and a derogatory term for anything that's not 60's or Northern. I have a tape somewhere of a Hinckley All Nighter in 1983, where a well known oldies DJ plays Jackie Moore "This Time Baby" (an all time classic, of course) and says something like, "The question is where do you draw the line betweeen disco crap and Northern Soul.........." and goes on to to say it can't be disco crap 'cos disco crap gets in the charts!! Cheers, Mark R Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest rachel Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word for some people! Why is that? What is it about 'disco' or some people's perceptions of 'disco' that winds people up? Discuss! Steve. It's usually being used as a derogatory term for modern soul (starting date dependent on what each poster personally dislikes). I guess disco is seen as being mainstream and a bit cheesy, and therefore an insult. I must admit that a - I don't know a great deal about actual disco, there's probably obscure and unknown stuff for collectors of that just as there is for us. And b - I may have used the term in that way in my early days on the soul scene when I'd only heard 70s/ modern that I didn't like very much, I didn't think any of it actually sounded like disco though. I can't believe I've just written such a serious answer at this time on a Saturday morning Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 It's usually being used as a derogatory term for modern soul (starting date dependent on what each poster personally dislikes). I guess disco is seen as being mainstream and a bit cheesy, and therefore an insult. I must admit that a - I don't know a great deal about actual disco, there's probably obscure and unknown stuff for collectors of that just as there is for us. And b - I may have used the term in that way in my early days on the soul scene when I'd only heard 70s/ modern that I didn't like very much, I didn't think any of it actually sounded like disco though. I can't believe I've just written such a serious answer at this time on a Saturday morning i reckon someone else has signed in using your name Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest outonthefloor Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 She is D dire She is I incessant She is S Synthetic She is C cringing She is OOOOOOO Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Simon Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) Very similar scenario at clubs up & down the country - including Northern gigs. Lew Kirton, Benny Troy, The Brothers, Bill Harris, Brainstorm, Tavares, Moments, Gentlemen & Their Lady,Millie Jackson etc etc. All the above are disco records - all been very popular in Northern circles at one time or another. Is it just that they are "acceptable" crud ? I don't personally class the above as Disco, more average modernish Soul, Disco to me is Sylvester, Rose Royce, Bee Gees etc. Always quite liked Disco myself, deffo prefer it to Modern Soul on the whole. Simon Edited October 13, 2007 by Simon Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I'd rather have disco than some of that out of tune, 100 miles an hour, tinkly crap masquerading as northern soul nowadays..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I like disco in it's own right. Certainly wouldn't want to hear it at a soul night but I think I can appreciate good disco on it's own merits, much like I like some blues, jazz gospel, reggae and so on. Patrick Adams produced some amazing stuff like Atmosphere Strutt for example, and I don't think you can dismiss Chic's output as dross. Sure there's plenty of rubbish under the disco umbrella - Sarah Brightman anyone? - but that doesn't mean that there aren't classics of the genre. I remember hearing Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" for the first time and being completely knocked out by it. I could actually contradict myself with this as well as I was exposed to that tune at the Ritz alldayers where you could hear brand new disco tunes and 60s stompers back to back. I recognise that this was a weird time and a weird venue in that respect but I think it made me open minded about quality disco. I agree that none of the tunes above have any place in soul nights nowadays but that doesn't detract from the fact that they are great records. Godz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Brennan Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word Discuss! Steve. Think it maybe because its the first half of this word DISCOlour dictionary definition - to dirty, stain or change natural appearence of (by the way I am guilty of not only liking but also owning plenty of this crud) paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I like disco in it's own right. Certainly wouldn't want to hear it at a soul night but I think I can appreciate good disco on it's own merits, much like I like some blues, jazz gospel, reggae and so on. Patrick Adams produced some amazing stuff like Atmosphere Strutt for example, and I don't think you can dismiss Chic's output as dross. Sure there's plenty of rubbish under the disco umbrella - Sarah Brightman anyone? surely not the dreadful..i lost my heart to a party pooper? - but that doesn't mean that there aren't classics of the genre. I remember hearing Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" for the first time and being completely knocked out by it...did someone throw a copy at your head..its crud I could actually contradict myself with this as well as I was exposed to that tune at the Ritz alldayers where you could hear brand new disco tunes and 60s stompers back to back. I recognise that this was a weird time and a weird venue in that respect but I think it made me open minded about quality disco. I agree that none of the tunes above have any place in soul nights nowadays but that doesn't detract from the fact that they are great records. Godz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Isn't all uptempo soul music disco, as in it was made for people to dance to in a Discoth¨que? I think a number of peoples "dislike" of disco is more coming from either being on the Mod or Scooter scenes back in the late 70's and early 80's as there used to be a lot of aggro between those scenes and casuals/normal disco goers that were around then. Seems to me people with a purely soul background have no problem with 70's/80's. Might be opening a can of worms but....... quite often see people with posts having a go at disco then when they post up a set they played somewhere it contains 70's tunes that at the time would have been aimed fairly and squarely at the disco market, are they acceptable disco as the "norms" didn't catch on to them at the time and they didn't become chart hits?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Think it maybe because its the first half of this word DISCOlour dictionary definition - to dirty, stain or change natural appearence of (by the way I am guilty of not only liking but also owning plenty of this crud) paul top post Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Isn't all uptempo soul music disco, as in it was made for people to dance to in a Discoth¨que? I think a number of peoples "dislike" of disco is more coming from either being on the Mod or Scooter scenes back in the late 70's and early 80's as there used to be a lot of aggro between those scenes and casuals/normal disco goers that were around then. Seems to me people with a purely soul background have no problem with 70's/80's. Might be opening a can of worms but....... quite often see people with posts having a go at disco then when they post up a set they played somewhere it contains 70's tunes that at the time would have been aimed fairly and squarely at the disco market, are they acceptable disco as the "norms" didn't catch on to them at the time and they didn't become chart hits?? norms? nowt normal about the way they were at my local disco jumpin around like morons and callin it dancing we had to wait four hours to hear something soulful..heard 4 tracks then that was it till the following week is that a dig at my set at iow niter? moldie ps..i got invite for you for my 45th b/day bash Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Byrney Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 There's some great tunes out there which we call 'soul' 'northern' 'modern' 'crossover' etc etc but I bet there's quite a few out there when first produced were intended to be hits and cash in on the 'new music' of disco. Rich Quite right, add to this the likes of King Tutt, Ike Strong, Webster Lewis, Curtis Hirston etc, all played on the scene to packed dancefloors, all have the genre conventions of disco and I'll bet my left nad wasn't targeted at a bunch of white fellahs in the UK. Some great disco records out there Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 is that a dig at my set at iow niter? No moldie ps..i got invite for you for my 45th b/day bash Splendid Yes there is totally commercial/unsoulful disco that I agree needs to be avoided like the plague but there are plenty of great soulful 70's and 80's tunes, much the same as 60's tunes just pick the good from the bad Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Quite right, add to this the likes of King Tutt, Ike Strong, Webster Lewis, Curtis Hirston etc, all played on the scene to packed dancefloors, all have the genre conventions of disco and I'll bet my left nad wasn't targeted at a bunch of white fellahs in the UK. Some great disco records out there ..ive heard you play them out at rsg Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
oldsteve woomble Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Just sorting my tunes out for tonight................ First 10 off the top of the pile (honest!)......... Stevie Wonder - Another Star Gladys Knight - Bourgie, Bourgie Sister Sledge - Thinking Of You Odessey - Native new Yorker Taste Of Honey - Boogie Oogie Oogie Gayle Adams - Plain Out Of Luck Originals - Down To Love Town TS Monk - Candidate For Love Evelyn Champagne King - Shame Donna Summer - Heaven Knows You're all very welcome to come along . (Moldie, usual place, usual time. See you there. Same deal...knock 3 times and ask for Fifi. Oh and NO roller skates this week) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I'll bet my left nad wasn't targeted at a bunch of white fellahs in the UK. Too true Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Epic Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 why are they crud..cos u dont like them im allowed an opinion and mine is disco is crud If you actually read what I have put you may understand. You stated that all disco records are crud - I listed a group of record I consider disco tunes & that are acceptable on the Northern scene. I did not pass an opinion on the records I listed - if you really want to know - some I like - some I don't. However IMHO they are disco records. The clue is most are available on a 12inch single sometimes known as "disco 12s" It was just to make the point that people who make sweeping statements that "disco is crud" really need to back it up with a reasoned argument. There is non so blind as he who doesn't see !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest outonthefloor Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 If you actually read what I have put you may understand. You stated that all disco records are crud - I listed a group of record I consider disco tunes & that are acceptable on the Northern scene. I did not pass an opinion on the records I listed - if you really want to know - some I like - some I don't. However IMHO they are disco records. The clue is most are available on a 12inch single sometimes known as "disco 12s" It was just to make the point that people who make sweeping statements that "disco is crud" really need to back it up with a reasoned argument. There is non so blind as he who doesn't see !! ha ha ha ha ha you had me going there for a minute i thought this was actually a serious topic not just one so obviuosly started to cause a row!!! after all everyone knows DISCO is sh**e wots to discuss..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harrogatesoul Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 There is non so blind as he who doesn't see !! Don't worry about it Epic - I mean they're folk out there willing to pay £1.5k for Master 4 on Tayster - And thats after listening to BOTH sides! Rich Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 'Come over to the dark side Luke' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest souldancer Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 norms? nowt normal about the way they were at my local disco jumpin around like morons and callin it dancing Come on...... you're all veterans of the scene on here you must have learned how to dance to Disco by now. What's wrong with jumping up and down as opposed to side to side? Once you know how to change your style of dancing it enables you to embrace all genres of soul music. You can't expect to dance Northern to everything you hear for the rest of your life. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Very similar scenario at clubs up & down the country - including Northern gigs. Lew Kirton, Benny Troy, The Brothers, Bill Harris, Brainstorm, Tavares, Moments, Gentlemen & Their Lady,Millie Jackson etc etc. All the above are disco records - all been very popular in Northern circles at one time or another. Is it just that they are "acceptable" crud ? Just because they were issued at a time when disco was everywhere doesn't actually mean that they are disco. I mean, The Moments - Nine Times - disco? House For Sale? Thats like saying that every record released in 1957 was rock & roll Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Come on...... you're all veterans of the scene on here you must have learned how to dance to Disco by now. What's wrong with jumping up and down as opposed to side to side? Once you know how to change your style of dancing it enables you to embrace all genres of soul music. You can't expect to dance Northern to everything you hear for the rest of your life. i never dance to any type of music ive been told i should be an octopus as i have 8 left feet Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest outonthefloor Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 There is non so blind as he who doesn't see !! actually that quote is corrupted from the bible Jeremiah 5:21 : : : Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: I think Jeremiah was talkin bout fans of DISCO. they certainly have ears that dont work!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) Just because they were issued at a time when disco was everywhere doesn't actually mean that they are disco. I mean, The Moments - Nine Times - disco? House For Sale? Thats like saying that every record released in 1957 was rock & roll But people saying all 70's is just disco rubbish is just like saying R&B is all Rock & Roll rubbish, it show the same level of ignorance for the want of a better word Edited October 13, 2007 by richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 a definition.... Disco songs usually have soaring, often reverberated vocals over a steady four on the floor beat, an eighth (quaver) or sixteenth note (semi-quaver) hi-hat pattern with an open hi-hat on the off-beat, and a prominent, syncopated electric bass line. Strings, horns, electric pianos, and electric guitars create a lush background sound. Orchestral instruments such as the flute are often used for solo melodies, and unlike in rock, lead guitar is rarely used. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 a definition.... Disco songs usually have soaring, often reverberated vocals over a steady four on the floor beat, an eighth (quaver) or sixteenth note (semi-quaver) hi-hat pattern with an open hi-hat on the off-beat, and a prominent, syncopated electric bass line. Strings, horns, electric pianos, and electric guitars create a lush background sound. Orchestral instruments such as the flute are often used for solo melodies, and unlike in rock, lead guitar is rarely used. cheers chalky..after that i cant fail to understand Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest malayka Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Come on...... you're all veterans of the scene on here you must have learned how to dance to Disco by now. What's wrong with jumping up and down as opposed to side to side? Once you know how to change your style of dancing it enables you to embrace all genres of soul music. You can't expect to dance Northern to everything you hear for the rest of your life. Here's a little help... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Here's a little help... the first 30 seconds is like a sex training manual not dancing at all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 But people saying all 70's is just disco rubbish is just like saying R&B is all Rock & Roll rubbish, it show the same level of ignorance for the want of a better word But people weren't saying all 70's is disco, they were saying that in the main, actual DISCO is rubbish, which it is. Patrick Hernandez anyone Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 the first 30 seconds is like a sex training manual not dancing at all You need to 'wait for the beat' I've learn't some new moves Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Epic Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Just because they were issued at a time when disco was everywhere doesn't actually mean that they are disco. I mean, The Moments - Nine Times - disco? House For Sale? Thats like saying that every record released in 1957 was rock & roll May concede on Millie Jackson - but Nine Times is disco - thumping bass line with plenty going on in the hi-hats & yes it was HUGE in New York. The Brothers - out & out Disco (yes Pete I know you didn't mention it) - produced by Warren Schatz - the king of New York Disco - Vicki Sue Robinson etc. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) But people weren't saying all 70's is disco Ok fair enough they were saying that in the main, actual DISCO is rubbish, which it is. Patrick Hernandez anyone but I think the most ardent disco fan on here would would say yes there is rubbish but there is also good stuff, is every 60's soul record great and no duff or overly commercial ones ever made. You can't just pick a few examples and say thats it. Caught Up In A One Night Love Affair sounds nothing like Born to Be Alive. Stuff like Patrick Hernandez is surely to a disco fan what Wigans Ovation are to a northern fan Edited October 13, 2007 by richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest outonthefloor Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 How come the person who started this thread posted and ran? i feel used.....and not in a good way!!!! what are his thoughts on the subject? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest souldancer Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Here's a little help... I remember the first time I saw this and it had me in hysterics. Thanks for reminding me. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) Wasn't this played at the Casino? "You + Me" by undisputed truth. Not that it bothers me and not that I'd know unless someone told me, but it does seem to be important to alot of people. As long as it was played at the the Casino they like it and it can't be disco. People are funny, like complicated sheep with bad manners You_Me.mp3 Edited October 13, 2007 by James Trouble Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Roddy Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 YOUR CONCERN FOR SHEEP WORRIES ME SOMEWHAT MR TROUBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word for some people! Why is that? What is it about 'disco' or some people's perceptions of 'disco' that winds people up? Discuss! Steve. Most people on here would think that 'Pure Disco'... without Soul... is 'crud'. But many would also recognise that there are some extremely Soulful records that were made to dance to... in a DISCO! So Pure Disco.... not so good.... Soulful Disco.... aok.... Take Chubby Checker's "At The Discotheque" and start from there. You'll soon get the hang of it! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) YOUR CONCERN FOR SHEEP WORRIES ME SOMEWHAT MR TROUBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you know that this year, scientists created a sheep with 15% human organs in it? If these sheep evolve like scientist hope the prospect of sheep organs being transplanted into humans will become a reality. Eventually scientists will be able to precisely match a sheep to a transplant patient, using their own stem cells to create their own flock of sheep. Could you imagine, a whole flock of Back Door Kennys... Edited October 13, 2007 by James Trouble Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) As long as it was played at the the Casino they like it and it can't be disco. Exactly, if scene played it's fine, otherwise disco rubbish until a big name jock plays then its the next big thing and everyone's scratching around to get copy Edited October 13, 2007 by richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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