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Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word for some people! Why is that? What is it about 'disco' or some people's perceptions of 'disco' that winds people up?

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Steve.

the music is crud..

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A beautifully crafted & in depth answer - care to expand on your already well reasoned posting.

ok then

the music is crud..the ppl cant dance..and they all love themselves and are just out on the pull

there you are hows that

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Like any musical genre there's good and bad and to simply dismiss a genre completely is a little narrow minded. Yes, Village People / Boney M etc etc is the very worst of disco BUT look at something like Joey Negros Disco Spectrum compilations and the likes of Family Of Eve / Hudson People / Ramsey & Co / Al Hudson / Rare Pleasure can all easily fall under the umbrella of 'disco'. There's some great tunes out there which we call 'soul' 'northern' 'modern' 'crossover' etc etc but I bet there's quite a few out there when first produced were intended to be hits and cash in on the 'new music' of disco.

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ok then

the music is crud..the ppl cant dance..and they all love themselves and are just out on the pull

there you are hows that

Very similar scenario at clubs up & down the country - including Northern gigs.

Lew Kirton, Benny Troy, The Brothers, Bill Harris, Brainstorm, Tavares, Moments, Gentlemen & Their Lady,Millie Jackson etc etc.

All the above are disco records - all been very popular in Northern circles at one time or another. Is it just that they are "acceptable" crud ?

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Very similar scenario at clubs up & down the country - including Northern gigs.

Lew Kirton, Benny Troy, The Brothers, Bill Harris, Brainstorm, Tavares, Moments, Gentlemen & Their Lady,Millie Jackson etc etc.

All the above are disco records - all been very popular in Northern circles at one time or another. Is it just that they are "acceptable" crud ?

why are they crud..cos u dont like them

im allowed an opinion and mine is disco is crud

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don't think most know what disco is when dismissing it as they do when often what they are referring to is just a continuation and progression of the 60's stuff.

I think you're right Chalky..........an overused word and a derogatory term for anything that's not 60's or Northern.

I have a tape somewhere of a Hinckley All Nighter in 1983, where a well known oldies DJ plays Jackie Moore "This Time Baby" (an all time classic, of course) and says something like, "The question is where do you draw the line betweeen disco crap and Northern Soul.........." and goes on to to say it can't be disco crap 'cos disco crap gets in the charts!!

Cheers,

Mark R

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Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word for some people! Why is that? What is it about 'disco' or some people's perceptions of 'disco' that winds people up?

Discuss!

Steve.

It's usually being used as a derogatory term for modern soul (starting date dependent on what each poster personally dislikes). I guess disco is seen as being mainstream and a bit cheesy, and therefore an insult. I must admit that a - I don't know a great deal about actual disco, there's probably obscure and unknown stuff for collectors of that just as there is for us. And b - I may have used the term in that way in my early days on the soul scene when I'd only heard 70s/ modern that I didn't like very much, I didn't think any of it actually sounded like disco though.

I can't believe I've just written such a serious answer at this time on a Saturday morning :rolleyes:

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It's usually being used as a derogatory term for modern soul (starting date dependent on what each poster personally dislikes). I guess disco is seen as being mainstream and a bit cheesy, and therefore an insult. I must admit that a - I don't know a great deal about actual disco, there's probably obscure and unknown stuff for collectors of that just as there is for us. And b - I may have used the term in that way in my early days on the soul scene when I'd only heard 70s/ modern that I didn't like very much, I didn't think any of it actually sounded like disco though.

I can't believe I've just written such a serious answer at this time on a Saturday morning :rolleyes:

i reckon someone else has signed in using your name :thumbsup:

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Very similar scenario at clubs up & down the country - including Northern gigs.

Lew Kirton, Benny Troy, The Brothers, Bill Harris, Brainstorm, Tavares, Moments, Gentlemen & Their Lady,Millie Jackson etc etc.

All the above are disco records - all been very popular in Northern circles at one time or another. Is it just that they are "acceptable" crud ?

I don't personally class the above as Disco, more average modernish Soul, Disco to me is Sylvester, Rose Royce, Bee Gees etc.

Always quite liked Disco myself, deffo prefer it to Modern Soul on the whole.

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I like disco in it's own right. Certainly wouldn't want to hear it at a soul night but I think I can appreciate good disco on it's own merits, much like I like some blues, jazz gospel, reggae and so on.

Patrick Adams produced some amazing stuff like Atmosphere Strutt for example, and I don't think you can dismiss Chic's output as dross. Sure there's plenty of rubbish under the disco umbrella - Sarah Brightman anyone? :rolleyes: - but that doesn't mean that there aren't classics of the genre.

I remember hearing Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" for the first time and being completely knocked out by it. I could actually contradict myself with this as well as I was exposed to that tune at the Ritz alldayers where you could hear brand new disco tunes and 60s stompers back to back. I recognise that this was a weird time and a weird venue in that respect but I think it made me open minded about quality disco.

I agree that none of the tunes above have any place in soul nights nowadays but that doesn't detract from the fact that they are great records.

Godz

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Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word

Discuss!

Steve.

Think it maybe because its the first half of this word DISCOlour

dictionary definition - to dirty, stain or change natural appearence of :unsure:

(by the way I am guilty of not only liking but also owning plenty of this crud) :rolleyes::thumbsup:

paul

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I like disco in it's own right. Certainly wouldn't want to hear it at a soul night but I think I can appreciate good disco on it's own merits, much like I like some blues, jazz gospel, reggae and so on.

Patrick Adams produced some amazing stuff like Atmosphere Strutt for example, and I don't think you can dismiss Chic's output as dross. Sure there's plenty of rubbish under the disco umbrella - Sarah Brightman anyone? :rolleyes:

surely not the dreadful..i lost my heart to a party pooper?

- but that doesn't mean that there aren't classics of the genre.

I remember hearing Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" for the first time and being completely knocked out by it...did someone throw a copy at your head..its crud

I could actually contradict myself with this as well as I was exposed to that tune at the Ritz alldayers where you could hear brand new disco tunes and 60s stompers back to back. I recognise that this was a weird time and a weird venue in that respect but I think it made me open minded about quality disco.

I agree that none of the tunes above have any place in soul nights nowadays but that doesn't detract from the fact that they are great records.

Godz

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Isn't all uptempo soul music disco, as in it was made for people to dance to in a Discoth¨que?

I think a number of peoples "dislike" of disco is more coming from either being on the Mod or Scooter scenes back in the late 70's and early 80's as there used to be a lot of aggro between those scenes and casuals/normal disco goers that were around then. Seems to me people with a purely soul background have no problem with 70's/80's.

Might be opening a can of worms but....... quite often see people with posts having a go at disco then when they post up a set they played somewhere it contains 70's tunes that at the time would have been aimed fairly and squarely at the disco market, are they acceptable disco as the "norms" didn't catch on to them at the time and they didn't become chart hits??

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Think it maybe because its the first half of this word DISCOlour

dictionary definition - to dirty, stain or change natural appearence of :unsure:

(by the way I am guilty of not only liking but also owning plenty of this crud) :rolleyes::thumbsup:

paul

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Isn't all uptempo soul music disco, as in it was made for people to dance to in a Discoth¨que?

I think a number of peoples "dislike" of disco is more coming from either being on the Mod or Scooter scenes back in the late 70's and early 80's as there used to be a lot of aggro between those scenes and casuals/normal disco goers that were around then. Seems to me people with a purely soul background have no problem with 70's/80's.

Might be opening a can of worms but....... quite often see people with posts having a go at disco then when they post up a set they played somewhere it contains 70's tunes that at the time would have been aimed fairly and squarely at the disco market, are they acceptable disco as the "norms" didn't catch on to them at the time and they didn't become chart hits??

norms? nowt normal about the way they were at my local disco

jumpin around like morons and callin it dancing

we had to wait four hours to hear something soulful..heard 4 tracks then that was it till the following week

is that a dig at my set at iow niter? :rolleyes:

moldie

ps..i got invite for you for my 45th b/day bash

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There's some great tunes out there which we call 'soul' 'northern' 'modern' 'crossover' etc etc but I bet there's quite a few out there when first produced were intended to be hits and cash in on the 'new music' of disco.

Rich

Quite right, add to this the likes of King Tutt, Ike Strong, Webster Lewis, Curtis Hirston etc, all played on the scene to packed dancefloors, all have the genre conventions of disco and I'll bet my left nad wasn't targeted at a bunch of white fellahs in the UK.

Some great disco records out there :rolleyes:

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is that a dig at my set at iow niter? :thumbsup:No :rolleyes:

moldie

ps..i got invite for you for my 45th b/day bash Splendid :unsure:

Yes there is totally commercial/unsoulful disco that I agree needs to be avoided like the plague but there are plenty of great soulful 70's and 80's tunes, much the same as 60's tunes just pick the good from the bad

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Quite right, add to this the likes of King Tutt, Ike Strong, Webster Lewis, Curtis Hirston etc, all played on the scene to packed dancefloors, all have the genre conventions of disco and I'll bet my left nad wasn't targeted at a bunch of white fellahs in the UK.

Some great disco records out there :thumbsup: ..ive heard you play them out at rsg :rolleyes:

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Just sorting my tunes out for tonight................

First 10 off the top of the pile (honest!).........

Stevie Wonder - Another Star

Gladys Knight - Bourgie, Bourgie

Sister Sledge - Thinking Of You

Odessey - Native new Yorker

Taste Of Honey - Boogie Oogie Oogie

Gayle Adams - Plain Out Of Luck

Originals - Down To Love Town

TS Monk - Candidate For Love

Evelyn Champagne King - Shame

Donna Summer - Heaven Knows

You're all very welcome to come along :rolleyes: .

(Moldie, usual place, usual time. See you there. Same deal...knock 3 times and ask for Fifi. Oh and NO roller skates this week)

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why are they crud..cos u dont like them

im allowed an opinion and mine is disco is crud

If you actually read what I have put you may understand.

You stated that all disco records are crud - I listed a group of record I consider disco tunes & that are acceptable on the Northern scene. I did not pass an opinion on the records I listed - if you really want to know - some I like - some I don't. However IMHO they are disco records. The clue is most are available on a 12inch single sometimes known as "disco 12s"

It was just to make the point that people who make sweeping statements that "disco is crud" really need to back it up with a reasoned argument.

There is non so blind as he who doesn't see !!

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If you actually read what I have put you may understand.

You stated that all disco records are crud - I listed a group of record I consider disco tunes & that are acceptable on the Northern scene. I did not pass an opinion on the records I listed - if you really want to know - some I like - some I don't. However IMHO they are disco records. The clue is most are available on a 12inch single sometimes known as "disco 12s"

It was just to make the point that people who make sweeping statements that "disco is crud" really need to back it up with a reasoned argument.

There is non so blind as he who doesn't see !!

ha ha ha ha ha you had me going there for a minute i thought this was actually a serious topic not just one so obviuosly started to cause a row!!!

after all everyone knows DISCO is sh**e wots to discuss.....

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norms? nowt normal about the way they were at my local disco

jumpin around like morons and callin it dancing

Come on...... you're all veterans of the scene on here you must have learned how to dance to Disco by now.

What's wrong with jumping up and down as opposed to side to side?

Once you know how to change your style of dancing it enables you to embrace all genres of soul music.

You can't expect to dance Northern to everything you hear for the rest of your life. :rolleyes:

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Very similar scenario at clubs up & down the country - including Northern gigs.

Lew Kirton, Benny Troy, The Brothers, Bill Harris, Brainstorm, Tavares, Moments, Gentlemen & Their Lady,Millie Jackson etc etc.

All the above are disco records - all been very popular in Northern circles at one time or another. Is it just that they are "acceptable" crud ?

Just because they were issued at a time when disco was everywhere doesn't actually mean that they are disco. I mean, The Moments - Nine Times - disco? House For Sale? Thats like saying that every record released in 1957 was rock & roll

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Come on...... you're all veterans of the scene on here you must have learned how to dance to Disco by now.

What's wrong with jumping up and down as opposed to side to side?

Once you know how to change your style of dancing it enables you to embrace all genres of soul music.

You can't expect to dance Northern to everything you hear for the rest of your life. :rolleyes:

i never dance to any type of music

ive been told i should be an octopus as i have 8 left feet

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There is non so blind as he who doesn't see !!

actually that quote is corrupted from the bible

Jeremiah 5:21

: : : Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

I think Jeremiah was talkin bout fans of DISCO. they certainly have ears that dont work!!!

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Just because they were issued at a time when disco was everywhere doesn't actually mean that they are disco. I mean, The Moments - Nine Times - disco? House For Sale? Thats like saying that every record released in 1957 was rock & roll

But people saying all 70's is just disco rubbish is just like saying R&B is all Rock & Roll rubbish, it show the same level of ignorance for the want of a better word

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a definition....

Disco songs usually have soaring, often reverberated vocals over a steady four on the floor beat, an eighth (quaver) or sixteenth note (semi-quaver) hi-hat pattern with an open hi-hat on the off-beat, and a prominent, syncopated electric bass line. Strings, horns, electric pianos, and electric guitars create a lush background sound. Orchestral instruments such as the flute are often used for solo melodies, and unlike in rock, lead guitar is rarely used.

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a definition....

Disco songs usually have soaring, often reverberated vocals over a steady four on the floor beat, an eighth (quaver) or sixteenth note (semi-quaver) hi-hat pattern with an open hi-hat on the off-beat, and a prominent, syncopated electric bass line. Strings, horns, electric pianos, and electric guitars create a lush background sound. Orchestral instruments such as the flute are often used for solo melodies, and unlike in rock, lead guitar is rarely used.

cheers chalky..after that i cant fail to understand :rolleyes:

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Come on...... you're all veterans of the scene on here you must have learned how to dance to Disco by now.

What's wrong with jumping up and down as opposed to side to side?

Once you know how to change your style of dancing it enables you to embrace all genres of soul music.

You can't expect to dance Northern to everything you hear for the rest of your life. :rolleyes:

Here's a little help...

:thumbsup:
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But people saying all 70's is just disco rubbish is just like saying R&B is all Rock & Roll rubbish, it show the same level of ignorance for the want of a better word

But people weren't saying all 70's is disco, they were saying that in the main, actual DISCO is rubbish, which it is. Patrick Hernandez anyone :rolleyes:

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Just because they were issued at a time when disco was everywhere doesn't actually mean that they are disco. I mean, The Moments - Nine Times - disco? House For Sale? Thats like saying that every record released in 1957 was rock & roll

May concede on Millie Jackson - but Nine Times is disco - thumping bass line with plenty going on in the hi-hats & yes it was HUGE in New York.

The Brothers - out & out Disco (yes Pete I know you didn't mention it) - produced by Warren Schatz - the king of New York Disco - Vicki Sue Robinson etc.

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But people weren't saying all 70's is disco Ok fair enough

they were saying that in the main, actual DISCO is rubbish, which it is. Patrick Hernandez anyone :rolleyes:but I think the most ardent disco fan on here would would say yes there is rubbish but there is also good stuff, is every 60's soul record great and no duff or overly commercial ones ever made. You can't just pick a few examples and say thats it. Caught Up In A One Night Love Affair sounds nothing like Born to Be Alive. Stuff like Patrick Hernandez is surely to a disco fan what Wigans Ovation are to a northern fan

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How come the person who started this thread posted and ran?

i feel used.....and not in a good way!!!!

what are his thoughts on the subject?

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Wasn't this played at the Casino? "You + Me" by undisputed truth. Not that it bothers me and not that I'd know unless someone told me, but it does seem to be important to alot of people. As long as it was played at the the Casino they like it and it can't be disco.

People are funny, like complicated sheep with bad manners :rolleyes:

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Can't help noticing on this forum that 'disco' is a dirty word for some people! Why is that? What is it about 'disco' or some people's perceptions of 'disco' that winds people up?

Discuss!

Steve.

Most people on here would think that 'Pure Disco'... without Soul... is 'crud'.

But many would also recognise that there are some extremely Soulful records that were made to dance to... in a DISCO!

So Pure Disco.... not so good....

Soulful Disco.... aok....

Take Chubby Checker's "At The Discotheque" and start from there.

You'll soon get the hang of it!

:rolleyes:

Sean

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As long as it was played at the the Casino they like it and it can't be disco.

Exactly, if scene played it's fine, otherwise disco rubbish until a big name jock plays then its the next big thing and everyone's scratching around to get copy

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