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you might call it intollerance, I'd just cal it passion.

'out of time' Adey, it was 3 times a night round local (stoke/ cheshire) nights, think its come from the later day wheel crowd.

much has been said about the divisions within the scene, or the split betwix the billy smart and the stafford tunes, ahem, I mean rare soul factions. yet the narator of show remains oblivious to the tensions, strange that!

chris Farlowe! I know! but its massive in certain circles, there are loads of 'I went to the wheel' ers too.

it all comes down to how you define 'underground', and thats a tricky one, it certainly is and indeed was mainstream in certain areas. Around Stoke NS was THE popular music of the mid to late 7ts, kids down my street used to do skipping to 'what' as well as the rollers chant, 'b- a- y, b-a-y' ect. Is it really mainstream in the true sense? I'm sure there's loads around the country who've never heard of it, especially amongst the young, who are probably far too busy getting tattoo'd over 90% of their carcass whilst high on a mix of mad cat and veno's. Is it underground? well even the most commercial side of it probably is, to a certain extent. Is it cool anymore? you seen any of those weekender photo's? I sometimes catch the big band show on sundays evenings on R2, they advertise concerts by swing band's around the country, Cromer pier and the like, and I wonder about the 'big band scene', I'm sure its not cool, but its probably got more dignity than what's left of NS.

I've been hammering the limitations over the lat 12 months, the very essense of 'it' imho, I cant say the 'n' word anymore, lol.

You said it so much better than I could mate, sorry to cause offence to anyone, but you can hardly critisie another scene talking in cliches and steroetypes when you're perpetuating new ones. I also think to a certain extent its and age thing, in terms of relating to house and the roots of contemporary dance music. I often tell this anecdote about standing on the balcony at the Hac with me brother, he was telling me about standing on the balcony at station road, talking to a younger kid about the torch. The kid would say 'the torch cant have been better than the this could it?' My brother turned to me and said, Wigan and the torch were totally different but they werent even in the same league as the Hacienda.

put simply your talking bollox, you were either not on that scene or simply going to the wrong venues.

it can be very atmospheric, portishead amongst others have added to modern recordings.

you obviously know nowt about house music, you're right in some ways though, go compare 'cc Rodgers or Mass order to say, 'phillly dog around the world' or 'the peanut duck' Northern soul is obviously far more shallow and trite than house. But then again I'm prone to sweeping generalisations about a music scene I know nothing about, just like you.

can I give an honourable mention to Biddulph's Gary Fultcher, never saw him in action but I believe he came a close and contested 2nd to Sandy one year.

think an earlier poster made a good point about ofo, you never heard anyone complaining about people not playing 'loving by the pound' of the original album. all this ovo talk really means is 'the rarest one' in most cases

I mentioned this tune before, if you own the original, Carla didnt get a bean for it, the reissues she did. not really in keeping with the ethics of our patron saint, Dave, if you want the original.

mylestones -the joker, 'anthphetonoveltycheesburgerdeluxe' but one of the best records ever made.

the rock and roll/ teddy boy scene preceeded NS on being obsessed with older records surely. maybe enevn the blues scene too, they werent interested in the electic stuff in the early 6ts

the most fundamental problem is that 90% of punters have the expectation of hearing tunes they know, be they oldies fans, rare soul obsessives or even the majority of the upfront crowd. How often do you hear 'he played.......' illustrates it perfectly, doesnt matter if it was a good or bad record, they always name the tune!

Baseline and a half on that Crystal glass!

I read somewhere that those type of goods werent coming in to liverpool by the 6ts and fact it was more likely in manchester via the ship cannel. Cant recall what book it was. Possibly Dave Haslem's 'Madchester England'

I'm trying not to be a twisted troll on this, but an awful lot of that freindlyness is shallow and short lived, an awful lot of cosying up to the dj, promotor on the northern scene thats named as freindlyness but is really just networking for self gratifaction.

What was it someone quoted to me last year , ' sold anything to so and so? Sam (refering to top oldies dj) Sam 'how do you sell a man a good record who's still playing Paul Anka?' wise words inedeed.

just wondered if these new divs will wear ridiculous plastic parodies of wigan garb, constantly go on about how the used to go to station road, when in fact they only went 'the youthy' buy loads of pressings and go to there local northen/ motwn night and the kings once a year. can they actually be any worse than the MAJORITY of punters now attending event!

too many knock Isaac's later stuff, dug juicey fruit out recently class all the way.

tune!!!!!!!!!

found one, aminter in its sleeve on soulcity, in Camden in the 8ts, cost me 70p. definatly one of my best ever finds.

saw a movie on sat, 'weekender' about manchester in 1990, thought this might be good, and it was just sooooo wrong. everyone's bone dry in the club scenes, really spoilt it for me and I lost interest after that.