Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 (edited) Now I know it aint a real lable but as a fledgling late days of the torch they were they to be purchased and I guess most who were around in those days did like wise. From the early white labels to to the blue and green ones with stars lol , the labels owners knew what we wanted. Now the rumour is it was Chris Burton and Otis Leavill?? whoever it was they made some tut, one thing Ive never got my head round was when the bootleg label finished. I was always under the impression no more came out after March 1973..ie 4 weeks after the Torch closed however there are several singles that were booted that later became known EARLY CASINO CLASSICS, eg Frank Beverly and The Velvets, were this ever played at The Torch? Has anyone got the list???? Edited November 8, 2007 by PaulDonnelly Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 The white label ones were the later ones.... Sound quality on most of these were shite. I honestly though Mel Williams was singing Cannabis Tree on the OOTP pressing... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 The white label ones were the later ones.... Sound quality on most of these were shite. I honestly though Mel Williams was singing Cannabis Tree on the OOTP pressing... are you sure mate..I'd lay 10p that the white ones were first...Rufus Lumley, bill blacks, The Wonderettes,..honestly I can't remember any more... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 (edited) are you sure mate..I'd lay 10p that the white ones were first...Rufus Lumley, bill blacks, The Wonderettes,..honestly I can't remember any more... The Shalimars was a white one.... Edited November 8, 2007 by PaulDonnelly Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 The Shalimars was a white one.... RAT race and Landslide, both white labels? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mobbsy Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 markettes was green Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 markettes was green twas... Velvetts weas blue and was Nolan Chance.. or was t white? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Don't think any of them came out until early 74(could be very late 73). Sure the white ones were first. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 From Manships UK price Guide: Dubious UK based early 70s reissue label with a somewhat erratic numbering system...(snip)... Numbers 5 to 32 were made from vinyl and had green or sometimes blue labels. From duplicate #32 Jerry Cook, the labels were white and the Out Of The Past was replaced by OOTP..... (snip).... You can send my 10p piece taped to the back of a £50. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 From Manships UK price Guide: Dubious UK based early 70s reissue label with a somewhat erratic numbering system...(snip)... Numbers 5 to 32 were made from vinyl and had green or sometimes blue labels. From duplicate #32 Jerry Cook, the labels were white and the Out Of The Past was replaced by OOTP..... (snip).... You can send my 10p piece taped to the back of a £50. when was the last time you beleived what Manny told you,,,10p I will send you, gonna speak to Chris Burton next week BEFORE i do.. Jerry Cooke was anothe white label..Momas Gone was a gree label...seems early Torch/late wheel was white label, VaVa's was green or blue then again Nolan Chance????????? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 (edited) Don't think any of them came out until early 74(could be very late 73). Sure the white ones were first. Paul Just checked some magazines This is the advert for the first batch, which were white. The advert is in B&S November 1973 This was for the another later batch which were I think green/blue. The advert is in Black Music April 1974 I did also have a Sandy Wynns, "Touch of venus", which was white, & a Debbie Dean "Why Am I Loving You" in Blue, and A Lynne Randell in Blue. I also thought that I read that John Abbey may have been involved. Paul Edited November 8, 2007 by Paul r Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 (edited) Inky Dinky and Do it to it were 72 torch spins that came out 00TP WHITE? Litlle Johnnie Blair/The Velvetts/ Frank Beverly on green or blue hit the scene mid 73???? Edited November 8, 2007 by PaulDonnelly Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Doesn't explain the numbering system... unless they were two seperate "labels" Don't know why I'm arguing the toss over what order they were pressed in - they are shite and deserve throwing on the bonfire. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Inky Dinky and Do it to it were 72 torch spins that came out 00TP WHITE? Litlle Johnnie Blair/The Velvetts/ Frank Beverly on green or blue hit the scene mid 73???? I've just edited my previous post with the publication dates of the adverts. The first batch definately came out after Wigan opened. I remebre the first night they appeared. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 Doesn't explain the numbering system... unless they were two seperate "labels" Don't know why I'm arguing the toss over what order they were pressed in - they are shite and deserve throwing on the bonfire. I AGREE...My point is and always has been for may years did the OOTP label prove that iIve got to find me somebody, If Thats What you wanted and Momas gone were in fact played at the Torch as it would appear that every other record bootlegged on the lable was indeed a Torch record. A listing anyone??? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rupert Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 twas... Velvetts weas blue and was Nolan Chance.. or was t white? sharon soul was green Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 (edited) I cunningly disguised my Lynne Randell many years ago in the hope of being able to pass it off as an original It was green/blue and the sctratched matrix numbers it as ISC 016. Paul Edited November 8, 2007 by Paul r Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rupert Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 sharon soul was green so was rozetta johnson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 when was the last time you beleived what Manny told you,,,10p I will send you, gonna speak to Chris Burton next week BEFORE i do.. Jerry Cooke was anothe white label..Momas Gone was a gree label...seems early Torch/late wheel was white label, VaVa's was green or blue then again Nolan Chance????????? nolan chance on green Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 (edited) nolan chance on green Carl Douglas Serving A Sentence on Orange. Got it Somewhere. Seem to remember The Markettes Stirring Up Some Soul on Green Edited November 8, 2007 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 didn't Skining in the snow come out on Green while Per-son-ally come out on white, again both Hose Street tunes. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 (edited) didn't Skining in the snow come out on Green while Per-son-ally come out on white, again both Hose Street tunes. Think my Skiing In The Snow was on Blue, bit like the Tarpon Label colour. Green/Blue. Edited November 8, 2007 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I was told Keith Minshull supplied the records for copying [ allegedly ] .Brian Rae once told me he saw a copy of Thumb a ride on Out of the past , anyone else seen this ? Best ,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Just checked some magazines This is the advert for the first batch, which were white. The advert is in B&S November 1973 This was for the another later batch which were I think green/blue. The advert is in Black Music April 1974 I did also have a Sandy Wynns, "Touch of venus", which was white, & a Debbie Dean "Why Am I Loving You" in Blue, and A Lynne Randell in Blue. I also thought that I read that John Abbey may have been involved. Paul DID NOT KNOW SOUL IN THE SUN WAS THAT OLD KEV Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Brian Rae once told me he saw a copy of Thumb a ride on Out of the past , anyone else seen this ? Best ,Eddie Never heard of that one Eddie, and as it was one of my favourite instrumentals at the time (still is) I would have made sure I had one. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Now I know it aint a real lable but as a fledgling late days of the torch they were they to be purchased and I guess most who were around in those days did like wise. From the early white labels to to the blue and green ones with stars lol , the labels owners knew what we wanted. Now the rumour is it was Chris Burton and Otis Leavill?? whoever it was they made some tut, one thing Ive never got my head round was when the bootleg label finished. I was always under the impression no more came out after March 1973..ie 4 weeks after the Torch closed however there are several singles that were booted that later became known EARLY CASINO CLASSICS, eg Frank Beverly and The Velvets, were this ever played at The Torch? Has anyone got the list???? "Has anyone got the list????" Paul, Yep I documented every title listed, in numerical order in the UK price guide. Blue & green were first (according to the numerical system) The first white label design release was NUMBER WAS # 32 Jerry Cook. The LAST blue or green label was #32 also.. they duplicated several numbers within the series. release sequence of 19 in all of the blue or green releases are # 05, 08, 09, 09 (dup), 10, 11, 15, 16, 17, 18, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 31, 32. then the WHITE LABEL. Some of the WHITE's are dog-rare as the label came to an end without distributing some titles. Paul I hope that helps. John Edited November 9, 2007 by john manship Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 9, 2007 Author Share Posted November 9, 2007 Paul, Yep I got everyone listed.. but you won't belive me is I post it up John PLEASE POST, really interested. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) PLEASE POST, really interested. Are you too tight to buY a UK price guide.. it has a couple of other labels listed in it also.. It's FREE POST and only £25.. Or do I have to scan you one page..?? Edited November 9, 2007 by john manship Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mak Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Now I know it aint a real lable but as a fledgling late days of the torch they were they to be purchased and I guess most who were around in those days did like wise. From the early white labels to to the blue and green ones with stars lol , the labels owners knew what we wanted. Now the rumour is it was Chris Burton and Otis Leavill?? whoever it was they made some tut, one thing Ive never got my head round was when the bootleg label finished. I was always under the impression no more came out after March 1973..ie 4 weeks after the Torch closed however there are several singles that were booted that later became known EARLY CASINO CLASSICS, eg Frank Beverly and The Velvets, were this ever played at The Torch? Has anyone got the list???? Paul , I was always under the impression that Selecta Disc pressed them up and that Ness (SE) and Alan Day were involved Edited November 9, 2007 by MAK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Paul , I was always under the impression that Selecta Disc pressed them up and that Ness (SE) and Alan Day were involved In Select-a-disc's defense, I don't think they ever pressed records but they did get supplies by people who did, and of course instigated the reissuing of in-demand RCA's, Okeh's etc by the parent companies. Out Of The Past was for the want of a better phase, blatant bootlegging.. which I don't think Select-a-disc ever did. Edited November 9, 2007 by john manship Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Think my Skiing In The Snow was on Blue, bit like the Tarpon Label colour. Green/Blue. mines on green, def not like the tarpon colour Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 mines on green, def not like the tarpon colour There's two Tarpon presses of Denise Lasalle though, and one is very much the same colour as the OOTP Invitations.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 There's two Tarpon presses of Denise Lasalle though, and one is very much the same colour as the OOTP Invitations.. Oh right, i didn't know that, so is that a green invitations or a blue invitations? Or is it a greeny blue? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Oh right, i didn't know that, so is that a green invitations or a blue invitations? Or is it a greeny blue? I'll see if I can find my copy to scan. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Oh right, i didn't know that, so is that a green invitations or a blue invitations? Or is it a greeny blue? It's a greeny blue! There's a greeny blue Tarpon and a blue Tarpon. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 It's a greeny blue! There's a greeny blue Tarpon and a blue Tarpon. my tarpon is a blue, but not as blue as the ben aiken, so comparing, the invitations is green. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 my tarpon is a blue, but not as blue as the ben aiken, so comparing, the invitations is green. Yeah it's inbetween the blue of Ben Aiken and the green of Rosetta Johnson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Yeah it's inbetween the blue of Ben Aiken and the green of Rosetta Johnson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Alan Pollard Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 It's a greeny blue! There's a greeny blue Tarpon and a blue Tarpon. I have the greeny blue Tarpon release of Love Reputation and they are the Demo copies and the blue Tarpon releases are the issues. Regards Alan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I have the greeny blue Tarpon release of Love Reputation and they are the Demo copies and the blue Tarpon releases are the issues. Regards Alan Ok, so my copy is blue (unless my eyes are going with old age), but has DJ COPY on it? So what is that? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest melandthensome Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) paul I have a complete list or near enough if you want it......... Edited November 10, 2007 by melandthensome Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I have the greeny blue Tarpon release of Love Reputation and they are the Demo copies and the blue Tarpon releases are the issues. Regards Alan Alan, Green & the blue Tarpon's are both regular stock copies. The promo of which I've only seen the BLUE label, have a big siilver text DJ on them.. pretty damn rare as a DEMO too. So if there's is no GREEN DEMO that would make the blue tarpon the first release. Which ties up with the BillyThe Kid Emerson 45s on Tarpon which I've only experienced on BLUE label. But if a GREEN DEMO does exist.. it's back to the drawing board. John Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Carl Douglas Serving A Sentence on Orange. Got it Somewhere. Seem to remember The Markettes Stirring Up Some Soul on Green Here It Is Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Alan, Green & the blue Tarpon's are both regular stock copies. The promo of which I've only seen the BLUE label, have a big siilver text DJ on them.. pretty damn rare as a DEMO too. So if there's is no GREEN DEMO that would make the blue tarpon the first release. Which ties up with the BillyThe Kid Emerson 45s on Tarpon which I've only experienced on BLUE label. But if a GREEN DEMO does exist.. it's back to the drawing board. John Nolan Chance & Blue Tarpon Scan. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Leigh J Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Nolan Chance & Blue Tarpon Scan. The other side of Nolan Chance ,Dont use me , Great Record Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 The other side of Nolan Chance ,Dont use me , Great Record Hi, To be honest haven't played it. Will do now. Thanks. P Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Out of a matter of interest, is there another issue of Nolan Chance with 'Weather' on both sides? On OOTP. Ref: JMs guide. Thanks P Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 (edited) Nolan Chance & Blue Tarpon Scan. I haven't found my Invitations yet, but it is the same colour as the Nolan Chance. Just found this scan on PopSike of the Tarpon Label that I was refering to. Edited November 11, 2007 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paup-ine Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I haven't found my Invitations yet, but it is the same colour as the Nolan Chance. Just found this scan on PopSike of the Tarpon Label that I was refering to. Here is the invitations & Ben Aiken Chers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spacehopper Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 i picked up one at the new untouchables gig in brum the other weekend cos it looked interesting....its red !....a small hole in the middle ,uk style.with grip...has 4 trax mel britt"shell come running back"c.cooper"heartaches away"frankie carr"you should of held on" and don parker "im packin up"....its a promo-not for sale....the numbers WAR/EP/483 and also has53 scratched in the run out groove....produced by WARREN RECORDINGS,LONDON NW4 4LP from tapes supplied,and also says all trax written and produced by "spud and ashley" in the magic studio....oh and its O.O.T.P with no pics....any info ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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