at the casino,i used always lean against the front of the stage by the left hand speakers ,for hours on end, poised for a quick bop. i,ve always loved my music to be very loud and always headed to where the sounds been coming from,ie near the speakers, another venue, where i liked was the giant speakers at the Ritz nighters,In general i would loiter about and dance by the speaker all night,.. Only one draw back is the Tintinitus it Causes, i first suffered from this in the 7os, due to the casino speakers, i was having trouble when leaving the venue and then for days on end hearing people talk, and also the continuous ringing in the ear,which at the time my doctor told me it was the delicate bones vibrating together in the ear and to avoid amplified music,..ahh well could,nt do that...so over the years,..have just put this ailment down as a occupational hazard...anybody else suffered?..

at the casino,i used always lean against the front of the stage by the left hand speakers ,for hours on end, poised for a quick bop. i,ve always loved my music to be very loud and always headed to where the sounds been coming from,ie near the speakers, another venue, where i liked was the giant speakers at the Ritz nighters,In general i would loiter about and dance by the speaker all night,.. Only one draw back is the Tintinitus it Causes, i first suffered from this in the 7os, due to the casino speakers, i was having trouble when leaving the venue and then for days on end hearing people talk, and also the continuous ringing in the ear,which at the time my doctor told me it was the delicate bones vibrating together in the ear and to avoid amplified music,..ahh well could,nt do that...so over the years,..have just put this ailment down as a occupational hazard...anybody else suffered?..

You came out the Casino,i swear all the civilians where listening to n/soul records

I'm with you, endless high pitched ringing in my ears that comes and goes in volume but is always there.

Totally untreatable too, but thats the price you pay.

Might explain my taste in music too...

I'm with you, endless high pitched ringing in my ears that comes and goes in volume but is always there.

Totally untreatable too, but thats the price you pay.

Might explain my taste in music too...

Yeah..i forgot to mention, there,s no cure...and if you thought too much bout it, it could drive you Mad!!.......The "BELLS" Esmerelda!..

at the casino,i used always lean against the front of the stage by the left hand speakers ,for hours on end, poised for a quick bop. i,ve always loved my music to be very loud and always headed to where the sounds been coming from,ie near the speakers, another venue, where i liked was the giant speakers at the Ritz nighters,In general i would loiter about and dance by the speaker all night,.. Only one draw back is the Tintinitus it Causes, i first suffered from this in the 7os, due to the casino speakers, i was having trouble when leaving the venue and then for days on end hearing people talk, and also the continuous ringing in the ear,which at the time my doctor told me it was the delicate bones vibrating together in the ear and to avoid amplified music,..ahh well could,nt do that...so over the years,..have just put this ailment down as a occupational hazard...anybody else suffered?..

yeh, mine's slightly different, if I've got 2 different sounds (music, voices,etc) I can't hear either properly and can't chat on the phone anymore with the telly on in the background. I do try to avoid standing or being in front of speakers now but probably too late.

I know there is no cure but if you reduce your exposure to loud noise, does anyone know if the condition improves?

Jayne.x

yeh, mine's slightly different, if I've got 2 different sounds (music, voices,etc) I can't hear either properly and can't chat on the phone anymore with the telly on in the background. I do try to avoid standing or being in front of speakers now but probably too late.

I know there is no cure but if you reduce your exposure to loud noise, does anyone know if the condition improves?

Jayne.x

SPEAK UP JAYNE I CAN'T HEAR YOU

SPEAK UP JAYNE I CAN'T HEAR YOU

That's nothing to do with the music - that's because you're 97!

Jayne.x

the simple solution. ......keep away from the speakers.

You're not the only one Chris, I've had it for years - a combination of loud music and a noisy working environment.

When you're young you dont consider the consequences but its not very pleasant to have to live with and Jayne no it doesnt get better.

Volume levels at venues is a pet subject for me, most DJ's seem to think loud = good and crank it right up as soon as they go on. Well if you cant hear what someone is saying without them shouting into your earhole its not good in any way IMO ( this is as damaging as the music by the way)

30 years ago we were young and daft but surely we should know better now?

So anyone who's talked to me in a venue and I've stood there with a daft grin while you were expecting an answer to something its cos I cant hear a f***ing thing

When i first started visiting venues again in 1984 after a lay off my hearing didnt get back to normal till at least mid afternoon the next day, since then i have always worn earplugs and im sure i would be deaf now if i hadnt, cant understand why more people dont use them they will regret it !!! Best ones are from Aearo Ltd Stockport still hear the music just as well but really helps when you sit next to Mace and Roger Banks

You're not the only one Chris, I've had it for years - a combination of loud music and a noisy working environment.

When you're young you dont consider the consequences but its not very pleasant to have to live with and Jayne no it doesnt get better.

Volume levels at venues is a pet subject for me, most DJ's seem to think loud = good and crank it right up as soon as they go on. Well if you cant hear what someone is saying without them shouting into your earhole its not good in any way IMO ( this is as damaging as the music by the way)

30 years ago we were young and daft but surely we should know better now?

So anyone who's talked to me in a venue and I've stood there with a daft grin while you were expecting an answer to something its cos I cant hear a f***ing thing

Ah bugger.

I know what you mean, I tend to stand on my own when in the same room as the music, partly because I'm a miserable anti-social type but

also because I find it difficult when people try to hold a conversation, shouting down my ear, I 'm the same, I can't hear a thing either. If I'm chatting, I'll loiter near the foyer / bar, outside the main room.

smile, nod & thumbs up

Jayne.x.

When i first started visiting venues again in 1984 after a lay off my hearing didnt get back to normal till at least mid afternoon the next day, since then i have always worn earplugs and im sure i would be deaf now if i hadnt, cant understand why more people dont use them they will regret it !!! Best ones are from Aearo Ltd Stockport still hear the music just as well but really helps when you sit next to Mace and Roger Banks

OI !

Sorry for shouting....thought you might have yer plugs in!

I'm not as bad as Roger am I.....!

Anyway, I always thought you were just ignoring me.....though I did see something in your ear once, but Johnny Weston told me that's where you kept your chewing gum when it lost it's flavour

Edited July 25, 200915 yr by Mace

That's nothing to do with the music - that's because you're 97!

Jayne.x

Carole thought that was funny!

Carole thought that was funny!

And she says shes looking at a 97 year old now---------------------Im not sulking honest

OI !

Sorry for shouting....thought you might have yer plugs in!

I'm not as bad as Roger am I.....!

Anyway, I always thought you were just ignoring me.....though I did see something in your ear once, but Johnny Weston told me that's where you kept your chewing gum when it lost it's flavour

Mace i only need them when your on to block out all that latin mexicana you play

You love it really, I saw you tapping your foot so hard to Monguito Santa-Maria recently that your earplugs kept dropping out...

I've got it but its caused by Meineres desease THAT is really shitty

And she says shes looking at a 97 year old now---------------------Im not sulking honest

Hey a man not sulking there's a first then. LOL

I don't mean it, I love you really

Jayne.x.

at the casino,i used always lean against the front of the stage by the left hand speakers ,for hours on end, poised for a quick bop. i,ve always loved my music to be very loud and always headed to where the sounds been coming from,ie near the speakers, another venue, where i liked was the giant speakers at the Ritz nighters,In general i would loiter about and dance by the speaker all night,.. Only one draw back is the Tintinitus it Causes, i first suffered from this in the 7os, due to the casino speakers, i was having trouble when leaving the venue and then for days on end hearing people talk, and also the continuous ringing in the ear,which at the time my doctor told me it was the delicate bones vibrating together in the ear and to avoid amplified music,..ahh well could,nt do that...so over the years,..have just put this ailment down as a occupational hazard...anybody else suffered?..

Had this since 97. No cure at present, but who knows what science will develop? Time Travel, and a cure for Tinnitus!

Used a pair of ear plugs somewhere the other week, and one woman asked me what i was wearing them for? I explained to her, but she still seemed clueless. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, except for these clueless prats who poke fun!

Martyn

at the casino,i used always lean against the front of the stage by the left hand speakers ,for hours on end, poised for a quick bop. i,ve always loved my music to be very loud and always headed to where the sounds been coming from,ie near the speakers, another venue, where i liked was the giant speakers at the Ritz nighters,In general i would loiter about and dance by the speaker all night,.. Only one draw back is the Tintinitus it Causes, i first suffered from this in the 7os, due to the casino speakers, i was having trouble when leaving the venue and then for days on end hearing people talk, and also the continuous ringing in the ear,which at the time my doctor told me it was the delicate bones vibrating together in the ear and to avoid amplified music,..ahh well could,nt do that...so over the years,..have just put this ailment down as a occupational hazard...anybody else suffered?..

Yes Louise (the other half), suffers with it.

She first started with it after her 1st Southport Weekender (Powerhouse Room).

She has to listen to her I-Pod every night to get to sleep, she listen to talkin books (stories) so the ringing does not drive her mad.

She also has to take Betahistine Tablets with her meals to help ears with balance.

On really bad nights she takes Zopiclone to help to get to sleep.

Yes Louise (the other half), suffers with it.

She first started with it after her 1st Southport Weekender (Powerhouse Room).

She has to listen to her I-Pod every night to get to sleep, she listen to talkin books (stories) so the ringing does not drive her mad.

She also has to take Betahistine Tablets with her meals to help ears with balance.

On really bad nights she takes Zopiclone to help to get to sleep.

Oh gosh... that's awful Dave. Poor Louise.

I'm going to pay more attention to this sort of thing, mine's bad enough now, I don't want to cause anymore damage.

As venue staff, we're ok at Radcliffe Civic, there is sound proof glass between the bar and the main room but I know staff at other

venue's are at risk, as well as punters. I know the sound measuring/limiting changes that are coming in do have their downsides and won't be popular but I can't wait personally.

Jayne.x.

Problem with most rigs is they are not powerful enough for most venues. Djs come on & put the volume control to max regardless of what is coming out of the speakers. If they were to look at the desk every once in a while they might see some nice flashing ligts - green - amber & red - treat them as you would traffic lights & that is how the equipment should be run. If you try to "bounce" sound off a wall 30 yards away & your rig isn't big enough all you are doing is amplifying distortion - which equals very poor (but loud!!) sound quality which also equals damage to ears & you can't nip down to your local hi-fi shop to get them repaired.

Edited July 26, 200915 yr by epic

going back awhile, when i last went to a Ritz niter, ,,noticed the bar staff had ear plugs in .( can understand it, as its a job to them), but could,nt wear em myself,..kinda defeats the object imo.

Iam a bit deaf in both ears,but one more than the other,I got compo of one of my employers years ago,but its when you are in a crowd you pick up back ground noise but not the people talking to you,some times you say yes and nod your head,and you have'nt heard them.

And shooting for years with shotguns and rifles has not helped

Kev

there are some djs sets that i have heard that would sound better wearing earplugs

seriously if you cant hear someone talk across the table then its too loud

there are some djs sets that i have heard that would sound better wearing earplugs

seriously if you cant hear someone talk across the table then its too loud

If you can hear someone the otherside of the table the musics too quiet.

Edited July 26, 200915 yr by ken

I do try to avoid standing or being in front of speakers now but probably too late.

I know there is no cure but if you reduce your exposure to loud noise, does anyone know if the condition improves?

Jayne.x

You can stop it getting any worse, but you can't actually reverse the damage that's already been done, unless it's a temporary threshold shift- hissing in your ears immediately, or the morning after, attending a noisy venue. Staying out of the way of the speakers is good. Even when just walking past a very loud monitor, I always stick my finger in my ear. I have very mild tinnitus and it may have been caused by years of nighters and live bands. I don't know for sure that this was the cause, but I think I got off relatively lightly and want to look after my ears now. And Meniere's is nasty-I've had a couple of bouts of labyrinthitis, but Meniere's makes it look like a cakewalk, so Mak you have my utmost sympathy.

There's some useful information about tinnitus on the RNID website and their campaign website "Don't lose the Music" gives some tips about protecting your hearing, so that you can continue to enjoy the best music in the world for the rest of your life. Link below:

Don't Lose The Music

Yep I'm bu**ered too, mid range loss & the ringing, there is a range of noise cancelling headphones which can help many people when it starts

driving them crazy, 2 weeks in Ireland helps as well as long as you stay away from danny & Harpo's "Do's" in Dublin !!

No cure it will get worse if you don't alter your life style !

A hearing aid will also amplify all other noise as well, so we'll have to learn to lip read !

Rob

Problem with most rigs is they are not powerful enough for most venues. Djs come on & put the volume control to max regardless of what is coming out of the speakers. If they were to look at the desk every once in a while they might see some nice flashing ligts - green - amber & red - treat them as you would traffic lights & that is how the equipment should be run. If you try to "bounce" sound off a wall 30 yards away & your rig isn't big enough all you are doing is amplifying distortion - which equals very poor (but loud!!) sound quality which also equals damage to ears & you can't nip down to your local hi-fi shop to get them repaired.

and I bet a good number of those who've been DJ'ing 20 / 30 years have hearing problems anyway so standing behind the decks, middle of stage with a speaker either side of pointing out to the room (usually) and being a bit mutton probably makes you the worst person - in the worst position to judge how the music sounds to the rest of the room but so many of them jack it up like you say... daft really.

Jayne.x.

I suffer from 'Ringing in the ears' which I'm convinced has been caused from standing too near speakers in my youth. The thing is my GP referred me to the Audiology clinic at my local hopital. Whilst in the waiting room the nurse came in and gave the name of the next patient to be seen, she the left the room. Nobody moved. I asked the 2 people next to me what name the nurse had said and they both replied 'Dont know, couldn't hear her'

Best way to deal with it, is to see it as some sort of your own stand-by mode!!! A bit like those red lights on your pc/mac or telly I guess. Once it stops you know for sure that you have just gone to the other side. So, be happy and stay plugged in on this planet for a while!!!!

The MAChine

and I bet a good number of those who've been DJ'ing 20 / 30 years have hearing problems anyway so standing behind the decks, middle of stage with a speaker either side of pointing out to the room (usually) and being a bit mutton probably makes you the worst person - in the worst position to judge how the music sounds to the rest of the room but so many of them jack it up like you say... daft really.

Jayne.x.

Of course if the rig is set correctly by somebody who knows what they are doing you should be able to rely on what the desk is telling you with just a few minor adjustments to the input gains - I suspect some of the DJs only know 2 settings - ON & OFF !!

After reading this topic and using the excellent link to information about ear plugs I will be ordering a set of re-usable 'Alpine Music Safe Earplugs' , my hearing is dodgy enough now , no way that I want it to get worse!

Thanks everyone for the info.

yes i suffer with the midle ear thingy . and believe it ir not no treatment only physiotherapy , it started with noise in my ear then deafness then dizzy to vesibuler balance disorder all to do with message pathways to do with balance from ear to brain not working ,

Problem with most rigs is they are not powerful enough for most venues. Djs come on & put the volume control to max regardless of what is coming out of the speakers. If they were to look at the desk every once in a while they might see some nice flashing ligts - green - amber & red - treat them as you would traffic lights & that is how the equipment should be run. If you try to "bounce" sound off a wall 30 yards away & your rig isn't big enough all you are doing is amplifying distortion - which equals very poor (but loud!!) sound quality which also equals damage to ears & you can't nip down to your local hi-fi shop to get them repaired.

Brilliant post.......DJ's should be told not to touch anything. One person should be in charge of the sound, but they need to know what they are doing, and have some common sense.......the sound system is the most important part of an event.....it's not taken seriously enough, and I've been called a miserable **** when I have complained at certain nights.......But I won't put up with it any more, and either don't go back or take some ear plugs......people think nothing of paying thousands for records, but won't spend anything on decent PA. Most speakers that I see are set too low down, usually at head height, right in your lugholes..... If you get home from a do, and your ears are ringing. Then the PA has been set up wrong, or you've been standing with your head in a speaker. Either way it's bloody dangerous....

yes ive got this........seems worse in changeable weather....Menieres syndrome is often diagnosed...but its usually Benign Positional Vertigo...(dizzyness often with tinnitus).......you can get a masker...which does work to an extent.....best is a hearing aid.....which helps with the tinnitus even if your hearing isnt that bad....go to local ENT clinic....

went to see the docs about my hearing

found jelly in one ear and custard in the other

he said I was a trifle deaf

on a more serious note

too many venues have poor sound systems and play too loud

its been known for years that loud noise damages your hearing leading to deafness if you are regularly exposed to loud noise

plus it can and does bring on some of the ailments mentioned on here

as a former trades union rep have attended many tribunals wrt industrial deafness and some cases were really distressing

so maybe next time you attend a soul do and you think the music is too loud then do something about it

because it can seriously ruin your life