Just a small oberservation, was at the Gloucester allniter at the weekend. Saw more than 20 folks that regularly come on here bleating about wanting to hear freash new music, something different etc, etc, etc

So where did they spend the whole night, in the the other room listening to the same records they've heard a thousand times before, why?

have you asked this in the lookbacks on the event????

Some folk just like big rooms if they think the atmosphere is better....

We can't bring them kicking and screaming onto the dark side

Drop some of these folk a pm Dave and let us know what they have to say

have you asked this in the lookbacks on the event????

Some folk just like big rooms if they think the atmosphere is better....

We can't bring them kicking and screaming onto the dark side

Drop some of these folk a pm Dave and let us know what they have to say

It's not just a remark about this event, it's a more general one. I just find it a little amusing to see these folks out at many venues and for all their bluster on here or in direct conversation. They really don't walk the talk. Venues big or small, I supose they think it's hip or cool to say this or that, but in reality don't really believe it.

It don't want to bring anyone kicking and screaming anywhere, it's just the actions of those that claim to be big fans of new records or say they want to hear some that I find odd and not supporting it where it's provided.

Edited May 11, 201015 yr by Dave Thorley

have you asked this in the lookbacks on the event????

Some folk just like big rooms if they think the atmosphere is better....

We can't bring them kicking and screaming onto the dark side

Drop some of these folk a pm Dave and let us know what they have to say

Are you really sugesting that the contents of a Personal Message be made public?......Surely not!

Ask them in lookbacks Dave and if they've blustered on about in the pre-event thread - well it's the same thread now so it makes it easy.

Are you really sugesting that the contents of a Personal Message be made public?......Surely not!

Ask them in lookbacks Dave and if they've blustered on about in the pre-event thread - well it's the same thread now so it makes it easy.

No no not at all...

I did mean to say i would like to get some feedback if he got any answers, i too run a side room off an all niter and its good to know what people do or don't want.... Just a little message to me, not be published on news at 10

No no not at all...

I did mean to say i would like to get some feedback if he got any answers, i too run a side room off an all niter and its good to know what people do or don't want.... Just a little message to me, not be published on news at 10

Had me worried there and I was gonna stop replying to PM's

I can see where Dave's coming from and it must be frustrating to not see a few expected faces that you know are just a few steps away.

Like yourself I reckon it's probably down to atmosphere - I like the new rare or underplayed room at Kings Hall, Stoke, but it certainly doesn't

have the atmosphere of the main room so inevitably that's where I'll spend most of the night with mates who probably aren't as appreciative

of the other room.

- Kev

Edited May 11, 201015 yr by KevinKent

Just a small oberservation, was at the Gloucester allniter at the weekend. Saw more than 20 folks that regularly come on here bleating about wanting to hear freash new music, something different etc, etc, etc

So where did they spend the whole night, in the the other room listening to the same records they've heard a thousand times before, why?

Similar thought to one I was having..

IF the All Nighter Crowd are the only people that are REALLY into it.

and

IF the All Nighter Crowd are the only ones interested in Newer or Lesser played Tunes.

Just what is the point of an Oldies Allnighter??

Tony

Similar thought to one I was having..

IF the All Nighter Crowd are the only people that are REALLY into it.

and

IF the All Nighter Crowd are the only ones interested in Newer or Lesser played Tunes.

Just what is the point of an Oldies Allnighter??

Tony

Hi Tony

Oldies allnighters are fine and have their place and many people don't won't to listen to things they don't know, fine again.

It's the guys that run around shouting the odds about new stuff, lack of it, what does everyone think of this track i've just found, etc etc. Then don't support events/rooms that are provided for just that.

Maybe in some cases it because they weren't booked to do that event or room and they only want to hear their new records, thats not to say all of them are dj's.

Edited May 11, 201015 yr by Dave Thorley

Hi Tony

Oldies allnighters are fine and have their place and many people don't won't to listen to things they don't know, fine again.

It's the guys that run around shouting the odds about new stuff, lack of it, what does everyone think of this track i've just found, etc etc. Then don't support events/rooms that are provided for just that.

Maybe in some cases it because they weren't booked to do that event or room and they only want to hear their new records, thats not say all of them are dj's.

I see what you're saying.

Ther are plenty who say their sick of the same old, But........

we started a small room getting people in playing lesser knowns etc, cos that's what we wanted to hear, and were told by quite a few that they did too.

had we got an average of 30 in we would have been delighted.

Any way- we didn't.

Having said that ,'twasn't a niter just a nite for-we thougt- like minded souls.

Ho hum.

Tony.

Dave unfortunately it is a case of ' dead fish go with the flow ' as DP once wrote in Shades Of Soul. A great observation . These days it takes over 6 / 12 months to break a tune. In the soul scenes heydays if you missed one niter venue / dayer you had a completely different ever evolving playlist. Amusing thought that music is more accessable than any previous time eg downloads internet blogs etc but it takes longer to break a tune . Why ???

Had me worried there and I was gonna stop replying to PM's

I can see where Dave's coming from and it must be frustrating to not see a few expected faces that you know are just a few steps away.

Like yourself I reckon it's probably down to atmosphere - I like the new rare or underplayed room at Kings Hall, Stoke, but it certainly doesn't

have the atmosphere of the main room so inevitably that's where I'll spend most of the night with mates who probably aren't as appreciative

of the other room.

- Kev

i think the side room at stoke dosnt lack anything that cant be created by the djs, the quality of the rare music they are playing are atmospheric in their own right. its elementary in this case that it dosnt matter what the room sounds or looks like, people will be drawn there because the music is first rate and there's no worry that a proportion of the playlist wont work its way into the main room because the crowd there are so up for it anyway that they will put their trust in the djs responsible without hesitiation...thats how i read it anyway, and whilst i know this subject has been aired before with some consternation, i believe the doubters will come round to that fact it will be probably the best side room in the country this year.

rob.h

It's not just a remark about this event, it's a more general one. I just find it a little amusing to see these folks out at many venues and for all their bluster on here or in direct conversation. They really don't walk the talk. Venues big or small, I supose they think it's hip or cool to say this or that, but in reality don't really believe it.

well said dave

No no not at all...

I did mean to say i would like to get some feedback if he got any answers, i too run a side room off an all niter and its good to know what people do or don't want.... Just a little message to me, not be published on news at 10

I would be pissed if anyone was bleeting my personal messages to anyone... even you Steve

Anyway, I think this should be discussed here and not in lookbacks seeings as it is not just limited to one venue, even though Dave did refer to one in his first post.

Just a small oberservation, was at the Gloucester allniter at the weekend. Saw more than 20 folks that regularly come on here bleating about wanting to hear freash new music, something different etc, etc, etc

So where did they spend the whole night, in the the other room listening to the same records they've heard a thousand times before, why?

Funnily i was saying (venting more-like) this very same thing on the drive up to Gloucester (didn't notice it myself at Goloucester but i spent all nite in room 2 apart from the last half hour DJing in main room)

I put this down to several factors:

1) they're talking bollox;

2) they do think that they've heard it all and only want to hear their own new tunes (and once finished DJing leave);

3) it's just us getting upset over nothing and we ought get a grip;

AND

4) the record sellers are usually somewhere else away from smaller, darker 'rare' room- and these people and the people who hang round records for sale are the people who want to hear new tunes, but they can't because due to no fault of their own they are elsewhere and can't leave their records (sometimes livelyhood). (this made a nice change at Gloucester where the reccord sellers were in the 2nd room.)

had the same conversation with a few at Gloucester and i too cant get why more wasnt there to support such a room that gives many what they are crying out for supposedly

as for being in a different room cos the atmosphere is better cos of numbers but the music nowhere as good i will never understand

nothing strange as folk my dad keeps telling me

maybe im different but i go to an event for the music

btw Dave, your set was top notch and deserved a larger crowd as with all the djs that played on the night imho

As i think we discussed Paul.

btw Dave, your set was top notch and deserved a larger crowd as with all the djs that played on the night imho

As i think we discussed Paul.

we certainly did Tabs and in a sober state too for once

Think we were both driving mate.

we certainly did Tabs and in a sober state too for once

as for being in a different room cos the atmosphere is better cos of numbers but the music nowhere as good i will never understand

nothing strange as folk my dad keeps telling me

Paul, that doesn't make sense to me. You can't understand why a busy room, full of dancers, can have a better atmosphere than an emptyish one? Well if you're out for a sociable night out it does matter, otherwise you might as well stay at home and just have a couple of mates round.

Me.....I'll wander from one to the other, unaffected by the bias of others as I like it all. I do pick my venues according to what I'm after though.

Unfortunately some aren't prepared to leave their comfort zone and hear what else is on offer. I've noticed this particularly when there isn't immediate access between rooms and this does sound like Gloucester if the rooms were on different floors. Swap the rooms around for an hour or so - and see if everyone gets up and moves

Other than that - I'll go with Dave Abbots Factor number 3

I see what you're saying.

Ther are plenty who say their sick of the same old, But........

we started a small room getting people in playing lesser knowns etc, cos that's what we wanted to hear, and were told by quite a few that they did too.

had we got an average of 30 in we would have been delighted.

Any way- we didn't.

Having said that ,'twasn't a niter just a nite for-we thougt- like minded souls.

Ho hum.

Tony.

Yeah, that sounds too familiar to me !!!!!

We tried that.

The aim was to give all the local record collectors (and there are only a handful in 2010) a free hand on the decks.

there was no financial agenda for us, it was free to come

we just wanted great and varied music with a good night to be on our doorstep.

After a promising start last winter - with 150 mostly locals along for our Christmas night then

we ended up with less than a handful at our last one.

So after feeling initially dissapointed I realise that my local area is not worth worrying about, I shrug

my shoulders and carry on collecting my records !

And to be honest most of the older active local soul fans are off doing the oldies nighters further a

field anyway.

no worries !!

Edited May 13, 201015 yr by mossy

Just a small oberservation, was at the Gloucester allniter at the weekend. Saw more than 20 folks that regularly come on here bleating about wanting to hear freash new music, something different etc, etc, etc

So where did they spend the whole night, in the the other room listening to the same records they've heard a thousand times before, why?

Probably a good idea to have 'POLITELY ' asked them face to face on the night Dave. You know the old saying ' once the horse has bolted ' I think the gate is now shut and all that will come out of this is one giant can of horrible worms and yet more bickering which we certainly do not want. Good luck with your 'investigation ' anyway. ATB Tony, OZ. Spreading the Faith on the other side of the world.

Probably a good idea to have 'POLITELY ' asked them face to face on the night Dave. You know the old saying ' once the horse has bolted ' I think the gate is now shut and all that will come out of this is one giant can of horrible worms and yet more bickering which we certainly do not want. Good luck with your 'investigation ' anyway. ATB Tony, OZ. Spreading the Faith on the other side of the world.

I think Mr Thorley is commenting on his own observations by the look of it.

you can never ask for more than someones honest oppinion ?

Just a small oberservation, was at the Gloucester allniter at the weekend. Saw more than 20 folks that regularly come on here bleating about wanting to hear freash new music, something different etc, etc, etc

So where did they spend the whole night, in the the other room listening to the same records they've heard a thousand times before, why?

perhaps they had great drugs ? LOL !!!!

Just a small oberservation, was at the Gloucester allniter at the weekend. Saw more than 20 folks that regularly come on here bleating about wanting to hear freash new music, something different etc, etc, etc

So where did they spend the whole night, in the the other room listening to the same records they've heard a thousand times before, why?

As you will recall Dave, I made some reference to this point in my comments about the "Spirit Of" room at the Stafford reunion. Breaking new records must be a thankless task at times......taking time, money and research to find something new and then "losing the room" when you give them an airing.

I suspect this is easier if you are chucking out uptempo 60s style OKish tunes which people find it easy to dance to....but Dave you do not follow that line at all IMO...much of what I heard at Stafford was not conventional at all. Keep trying please.

Edited May 12, 201015 yr by Rbman

well im gonna be the first to own up... i was in the main room most of the night....i missed most of gingers set cos i was upstairs and loved what i heard....inc some of your set dave.....why didnt i stay up there ?....i honestly think it was just SUCH a good atmosphere AND 'social' downstairs...and the dancefloor was easier for my achey knees and feet ! ....pathetic excuse you may say but sorry its the truth....its just not the same dancin on your own IMHO no matter how good the tunes...IF ....theres a hall full of people...a lot of which you know...going for it elsewhere.....AND although a lot on here may have been upstairs there was a lot of sitting around talking (at least when i was upstairs).....and i just wanna dance when im out !

BUT !

i did wake up the next morning regreting not spending more time upstairs and apologise to those djs doing the right thing....you will see more of me next time...PROMISE... i do understand your frustrations, at go go children the other 3 residents are not from "the scene" and we are doin sumfin different (except my sets you may say )...which some people dont like...so i must try harder but i am easily distracted...not much changed since school days then

dean

Paul, that doesn't make sense to me. You can't understand why a busy room, full of dancers, can have a better atmosphere than an emptyish one? Well if you're out for a sociable night out it does matter, otherwise you might as well stay at home and just have a couple of mates round.

Me.....I'll wander from one to the other, unaffected by the bias of others as I like it all. I do pick my venues according to what I'm after though.

Unfortunately some aren't prepared to leave their comfort zone and hear what else is on offer. I've noticed this particularly when there isn't immediate access between rooms and this does sound like Gloucester if the rooms were on different floors. Swap the rooms around for an hour or so - and see if everyone gets up and moves

Other than that - I'll go with Dave Abbots Factor number 3

cos its the bloody music that makes the atmosphere not a load of peeps dancing or are we that different you woukd rather hear tunes you dont prefer in a full room or tunes you do like with not so many peeps in

nothing wrong with the Gloucester lay out i think its perfect cos you feel you are in a different room to the main one imho of course

music first always with me

cos its the bloody music that makes the atmosphere not a load of peeps dancing or are we that different you woukd rather hear tunes you dont prefer in a full room or tunes you do like with not so many peeps in

For me the Northern scene is dance orientated - always has been. The Rare scene is more about the music. I enjoy both. If I can't decide

which side of the fence a venue falls then it's a bloody good nite.

nothing wrong with the Gloucester lay out i think its perfect cos you feel you are in a different room to the main one imho of course

Haven't visited yet so I'll take it you're right. I was just trying to solve the perceived "problem" in a light hearted manner.

music first always with me

That's 'cos your a crap dancer.

Now stop picking on my post in an effort to make yourself sound superior, and start saving for all those birthday rounds you're gonna be buying in the Blue Posts!

Edited May 12, 201015 yr by KevinKent

you must remember ofcourse the djs downstairs wernt just playing the same old tunes,there were some i didnt know...yes lots of classics but bloody good ones...and for us non bootleg/cd buying types its the only time we can hear those big money tunes ...

so personally i wouldnt be in the busy room if it was say a 'handbag' soul room...it has to be good northern/rnb

BUT also handbag/club/motown /wotever IS very popular in glos so stands to reason classics would be ??

before my time but i understand yate was playing different stuff to the norm 'back in the day' BUT then again a lot of people at yate were from all over the country...my older brother included who would come down from norwich !

dean

I would say I spent 80% of my time upstairs at Gloucs, I did venture down stairs to speak to friends who I might not have had a chance to speak to other wise, I also had an odd wiggle down there too..............however, I was the only f*cker on the dance floor many times upstairs, I dont care, if its good I'll dance, I was up for some of your spot Dave, Double O d's etc, every record Mr Abbott played, etc, etc...........& when a few had left & the upstairs closed for the last or or so, I was still dancing to the very last record, Dave A & Seans double decking for the last hour was great down there. But I do get your point.

Russ

cos its the bloody music that makes the atmosphere not a load of peeps dancing

Are you sure about that?!

I'm all for rare and underplayed music but that doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with an atmosphere...

The crowd is what gives a place an atmosphere and if noone is up dancing it doesn't matter what you're playing it's obviously not working...

Surely there has to be a balance...

We at 'Out Of The Blue' try to play a mix of known biggies...semi knowns and complete curve balls...that way you keep the chinstrokers happy but not at the expense of the dancefloor...which is King IMO.

you must remember ofcourse the djs downstairs wernt just playing the same old tunes,there were some i didnt know...yes lots of classics but bloody good ones...and for us non bootleg/cd buying types its the only time we can hear those big money tunes ...

so personally i wouldnt be in the busy room if it was say a 'handbag' soul room...it has to be good northern/rnb

BUT also handbag/club/motown /wotever IS very popular in glos so stands to reason classics would be ??

before my time but i understand yate was playing different stuff to the norm 'back in the day' BUT then again a lot of people at yate were from all over the country...my older brother included who would come down from norwich !

dean

========

the mix in the main room was excellent.......

It is a real enigma.

As Spacehopper says. Yate was well known for its approach to the morre obscure side of things..

Stafford was often quiet, but the small crowds were still made up with plenty of people from Bristol, Stroud, Gloucester and Cheltenham (And Dursley).

Yet when Dave ran a Yate night at Berkeley, the venue was rammed. A few months later at the allnighters, people were not going to Berkeley, from these places, and were instead travelling up to Burnley and the like?? It doesnt make sense to me.

Maybe they need to cut down on the alcohol content in the natch!

Now stop picking on my post in an effort to make yourself sound superior, and start saving for all those birthday rounds you're gonna be buying in the Blue Posts!

i seriously hope all your replys are tounge in cheek Kev first off, you picked on my post and tried to say it how it wasnt written so go back and have another read , 2nd, cant you dance to rare or rarer played tunes and only known oldies if so then you really are in a different scene to me cos i can dance to any tempo any genre in my own unique style, 3rd, dont talk me down trying to make out im thinking im superior cos i aint and neither are you OK

Are you sure about that?!

I'm all for rare and underplayed music but that doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with an atmosphere...

The crowd is what gives a place an atmosphere and if noone is up dancing it doesn't matter what you're playing it's obviously not working...

Surely there has to be a balance...

We at 'Out Of The Blue' try to play a mix of known biggies...semi knowns and complete curve balls...that way you keep the chinstrokers happy but not at the expense of the dancefloor...which is King IMO.

yes im sure Beeks, if i go to a venue and its playing same old same old it does nothing for me wether the room is packed or not cos no amount of people can make the music sound any better and i need the music to get me going not a full dance floor, so if a dj in say the second room was banging out quality tunes to me then i shall dance even if no one else is, yes it would be better if the room is full and dance floor busy so the dj has a crowd to play to and i dont often if ever go to a venue where only 10 peeps are in a massive room and i think thats what this thread was about, not atmoshpere but numbers in attendance,so for me the music is atmospheric and more peeps can make a diffence but the point i was trying to make which probably wasnt clear enough is more about the music more than people if you know what i mean, well i know what i mean anyway i think

i seriously hope all your replys are tounge in cheek Kev first off, you picked on my post and tried to say it how it wasnt written so go back and have another read , 2nd, cant you dance to rare or rarer played tunes and only known oldies if so then you really are in a different scene to me cos i can dance to any tempo any genre in my own unique style, 3rd, dont talk me down trying to make out im thinking im superior cos i aint and neither are you OK

Yes mate, tongue in cheek hence the emoticon, and sorry if you saw it otherwise - apart from the atmosphere/dance orientated bit of course.

And I'll dance to stuff I haven't heard before - don't see why everyone doesn't.

Yes mate, tongue in cheek hence the emoticon, and sorry if you saw it otherwise - apart from the atmosphere/dance orientated bit of course.

And I'll dance to stuff I haven't heard before - don't see why everyone doesn't.

scenario - you go to a 2 room event and the music in main room is to you not very good and at times making you feel like you wanna go home but the room is packed

so

you decide to go into room 2 with not many people in there but the music is making the hairs on your neck stand up and you are in soul heaven

you then walk out that room and go back to main room cos its busier but the music not very good

fair play to you Kev if thats what does it for you

for me i wouldnt leave room 2 so that makes us very different indeed

must add, this scenario is nothing to do with Gloucester in any way shape or form

scenario - you go to a 2 room event and the music in main room is to you not very good and at times making you feel like you wanna go home but the room is packed

so

you decide to go into room 2 with not many people in there but the music is making the hairs on your neck stand up and you are in soul heaven

you then walk out that room and go back to main room cos its busier but the music not very good

fair play to you Kev if thats what does it for you

for me i wouldnt leave room 2 so that makes us very different indeed

must add, this scenario is nothing to do with Gloucester in any way shape or form

Yep, I think we're getting a bit off topic so i'll leave it at this - if the music in the main room wasn't very good I probably wouldn't be there

unless it was a (very) local event. If the main room throws in stuff like Parisiennes/Little Tommy/William Powell, like Kings Hall, that's fine by me.

Yep, I think we're getting a bit off topic so i'll leave it at this - if the music in the main room wasn't very good I probably wouldn't be there

unless it was a (very) local event. If the main room throws in stuff like Parisiennes/Little Tommy/William Powell, like Kings Hall, that's fine by me.

this is very relevent to the topic Kev, read the first post again, remember its about a 2 room event and one of the rooms being a rarer room and people saying thats what they want but then stay in the main room hearing the same stuff they hear most places

if im wrong i appologise

not saying this is my opinion but just a thought i had so will throw it in the pot for consideration......

could it be that rare room/classic room is part of the problem with the majority of soulies who go out (not djs/collectors) and only dance to what they know ??

what if all 2 room events were more for different genres such as rnb/northern or 60s/70s and modern....and the main room djs were either TOLD to mix up some rare /semi known...or the dj list included known classic alongside rare djs ??

maybe this way those people who only dance to classics will be exposed to and get to know rare aswell,as at the moment they probably hear classics at home AND when out making it harder for djs to break tunes and keep the scene fresh ??

locally one room events such as bridgewater(all djs told to bring sumfin different),riverside(des parker,say no more!) ..and go go children (3 out of 4 residents life time soul fans but not on the scene so not influenced by any other djs or top 500) are doing this,i can remember a year or so ago me and nicci being one of the few dancin to some of des' unknown stompers which last time i was there had a full floor

its just a shame that those rare tunes were not being heard by everyone

hope you understand what im trying to put across !!

dean

Hi,

Out of interest what was the spread of numbers between the 2 rooms at Gloucester, how many people in the main room compared to the 2nd room?

Phil

i think mike said he had 240 in...and while i was upstairs there was maybe a couple of dozen and MOST of them while tapping their feet and obviously enjoying the music were not dancin...the record bar was in the same room,which was good cos if it wasnt there may have been even less in there

Doesnt sound feasible the 2nd room?

Doesnt sound feasible the 2nd room?

The one before was packed and this one suffered largely because of other events on the same night. Because the main room is not an 'Oldies' Room in any sense, as has been commented on this thread, a lot of people stayed in there I suspect. Thats going back to Dave Thorley's second Paragragh on the opening of this thread.

locally one room events such as bridgewater(all djs told to bring sumfin different),riverside(des parker,say no more!) ..and go go children (3 out of 4 residents life time soul fans but not on the scene so not influenced by any other djs or top 500) are doing this,i can remember a year or so ago me and nicci being one of the few dancin to some of des' unknown stompers which last time i was there had a full floor

dean

I agree, at the last Riverside the crowd were really up for the stuff Des was playing and increasingly over the past year or so are developing a taste and willingness for the lesser/uptempo tunes. In fact a growing proportion are being more choosy in the venues they now go to.

I did a short set in Room 2 and quiet a few of the Riverside faithful were there. At the end of my set I was asked why I did not play more of that stuff at Riverside. The tin it states its an across the board venue but we moving towards the Newie/uptempo stuff.

Edited May 14, 201015 yr by Mike E

Hi Mike,

Thanks for explaining, in a nutshell are you saying that the sounds played in both rooms didnt differ greatly and thats why most people stayed in the main room?

Cheers

Phil

Hi Mike,

Thanks for explaining, in a nutshell are you saying that the sounds played in both rooms didnt differ greatly and thats why most people stayed in the main room?

Cheers

Phil

Hi Phil

Not necessarily. The music in the main room as has been said by likes of Mark freeman and Dean a great mix and in no way an oldies cheesefest. I know for a fact that Ginger Taylor loved playing in it as he was really able to push the boundaries to a very appreciable crowd. The same goes for the majority of the DJ's. Because of this and has been maybe touched on by some, a lot of folk stayed in Main room.

Hope that explains it Phil.

Mike

Edited May 14, 201015 yr by Mike E

The one before was packed and this one suffered largely because of other events on the same night. Because the main room is not an 'Oldies' Room in any sense, as has been commented on this thread, a lot of people stayed in there I suspect. Thats going back to Dave Thorley's second Paragragh on the opening of this thread.

Hi Mike.

The music policy in the main room probably has lot to do with the lower attendance in the second room

If the main room is playing a good cross section of tunes to satisfy most of the crowd then it is not hard to understand why folk will drift to the bigger busier room.

Out of interest, which events on the same night do you think had an impact on you?

You say the rare room at the first one was packed, but you had an extra 160+ bodies in the building on that event, so it stands to reason that you will get more bodies in the rare room.

Do you hoenstly think the other events on that friday night took 160+ folk off your attendance?

At the end of the day you are running a nighter that needs at least 350+ to fill both rooms on a Friday night.

That is a helluva crowd to pull on a Saturday in the Midlands/Northwest, let alone a Friday in Glos (and I don't mean that disrespectfully)

If there is anything else that folk want to attend over the same weekend then you are gonna struggle to pull in so many bodies IMO.

My personal view is that you need to consider what else is on the same weekend across the whole country....if you want folk to travel 100+ miles on a friday when there is a big nighter on the Saturday then you might well find the numbers levelling off at 200 - 250, which would therefore impact your second room moreso than your main room.

If this is the case then you have to consider the costs of running the second room, and the damage that low attendances might have on putting off any folk who are travelling down for the second room again in the future.

You probably already have your dates booked for next year. If so I would take a good look at the other national allnighters over the same weekend, and if you think that they are gonna take a good number of the die-hard travellers off you, then maybe you need to reconsider the second room on that date.

There may be a few folk telling you to go ahead and do it all the same, but it's not their hard earned cash they are losing if it fails to attract enough people, it's yours.

If it's a relatively quiet weekend then go for it....though I know they are rarely available.

Regards

Mace

Edited May 14, 201015 yr by Mace

Hi Phil

Not necessarily. The music in the main room as has been said by likes of Mark freeman and Dean a great mix and in no way an oldies cheesefest. I know for a fact that Ginger Taylor loved playing in it as he was really able to push the boundaries to a very appreciable crowd. The same goes for the majority of the DJ's. Because of this and has been maybe touched on by some, a lot of folk stayed in Main room.

Hope that explains it Phil.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Thanks great explanation and sounds a good balanced night to me.

Cheers

Phil

Hi Mike.

The music policy in the main room probably has lot to do with the lower attendance in the second room

If the main room is playing a good cross section of tunes to satisfy most of the crowd then it is not hard to understand why folk will drift to the bigger busier room.

Out of interest, which events on the same night do you think had an impact on you?

You say the rare room at the first one was packed, but you had an extra 160+ bodies in the building on that event, so it stands to reason that you will get more bodies in the rare room.

Do you hoenstly think the other events on that friday night took 160+ folk off your attendance?

At the end of the day you are running a nighter that needs at least 350+ to fill both rooms on a Friday night.

That is a helluva crowd to pull on a Saturday in the Midlands/Northwest, let alone a Friday in Glos (and I don't mean that disrespectfully)

If there is anything else that folk want to attend over the same weekend then you are gonna struggle to pull in so many bodies IMO.

My personal view is that you need to consider what else is on the same weekend across the whole country....if you want folk to travel 100+ miles on a friday when there is a big nighter on the Saturday then you might well find the numbers levelling off at 200 - 250, which would therefore impact your second room moreso than your main room.

If this is the case then you have to consider the costs of running the second room, and the damage that low attendances might have on putting off any folk who are travelling down for the second room again in the future.

You probably already have your dates booked for next year. If so I would take a good look at the other national allnighters over the same weekend, and if you think that they are gonna take a good number of the die-hard travellers off you, then maybe you need to reconsider the second room on that date.

There may be a few folk telling you to go ahead and do it all the same, but it's not their hard earned cash they are losing if it fails to attract enough people, it's yours.

If it's a relatively quiet weekend then go for it....though I know they are rarely available.

Regards

Mace

Hi Mace

Many thanks for your comments and what you say is correct. Good idea re maybe dropping room 2 on the occassional date that it is clearly unavoidable to clash with another similar event.

I certainly do look at what is on elsewhere and am limited in scope for dates as there is so much on everywhere. In planning I have to look at likes of Lifeline, Rugby and other nighters within , say a 100 mile radius. Then there are the soul nights which keep increasing everywhere. So, yes I look at what is on when i plan my dates but , as you say am bound to come up against another event somewhere. Its then a question of not clashing, or trying to with the events in the radius area I mentioned above.

Re last friday. We were not 160 below. It was nearer 90. Looking at the various posts on the events thread I noticed that people from my previous event were going to Bidds(saturday), Groovesville, Lowton and Wilton. And then up popped another gig an hours drive away, where no doubt we lost a few. There were other events which no doubt had an impact on main room.

Like you I am aware of the negative impact that travellers may have if they have heard of a quiet night somewhere. You got over that so i understand last weekend from your previous one. I hope for the same and will try to maintain a positive stance. It is not my responsibility to change my dates when someone later books a soul event subsequently. I do not have that flexibility, in any case for the reasons given above and the venue I use has other types of bookings throughout the year.

Bottom line is I can always run a room event if it not work out and its up to the public to support it or lose it. All likes of you and I can do is put it on and hope that we are supported.

Best Regards

Mike

Edited May 14, 201015 yr by Mike E

Spot on Mace.

Last weekend we could have gone to;

Friday - Gloucester (for the 2nd room) or Wilton.

Saturday - Groovesville or Bidds.

We went to Wilton and Groovesville.

The previous Friday and Saturday there was nowhere that suited us.

John

Hi Mace

Many thanks for your comments and what you say is correct. Good idea re maybe dropping room 2 on the occassional date that it is clearly unavoidable to clash with another similar event.

I certainly do look at what is on elsewhere and am limited in scope for dates as there is so much on everywhere. In planning I have to look at likes of Lifeline, Rugby and other nighters within , say a 100 mile radius. Then there are the soul nights which keep increasing everywhere. So, yes I look at what is on when i plan my dates but , as you say am bound to come up against another event somewhere. Its then a question of not clashing, or trying to with the events in the radius area I mentioned above.

Re last friday. We were not 160 below. It was nearer 90. Looking at the various posts on the events thread I noticed that people from my previous event were going to Bidds(saturday), Groovesville, Lowton and Wilton. And then up popped another gig an hours drive away, where no doubt we lost a few. There were other events which no doubt had an impact on main room.

Like you I am aware of the negative impact that travellers may have if they have heard of a quiet night somewhere. You got over that so i understand last weekend from your previous one. I hope for the same and will try to maintain a positive stance. It is not my responsibility to change my dates when someone later books a soul event subsequently. I do not have that flexibility, in any case for the reasons given above and the venue I use has other types of bookings throughout the year.

Bottom line is I can always run a room event if it not work out and its up to the public to support it or lose it. All likes of you and I can do is put it on and hope that we are supported.

Best Regards

Mike

Mike,

Apologies for getting the figures incorrect, I had heard you had 400 in the previous nighter and 240 in this one, hence the calculation of 160.

Of course there will always be something on the same weekend, this is totally unavoidable.

You are also in an unenviable position of having to avoid local soul nights as well as national allnighters, as your event attracts both crowds........so by running a promotion with a rare room as well as a main 'across the board' room you are having to avoid two seperate calenders as such.

I obviously don't have this issue with Bidds, I have very few locals, with 95% travellers, so it's easier for me to avoid nighters that will damage me most, without having to worry about local soul nights that have little or no impact

Of course things crop up, Groovesville was also on last saturday and took 15 - 20 off my attendance at Bidds.

I totally agree that it isn't your responsibility to move your dates if other promotions 'pop up' after your dates have been fixed.

Des has already asked me for Bidds 2011 dates this week as he know you are planning yours.

I don't usually book my dates for the next year till October, which gives me a good chance to see what else is on the calender.

However, when I booked Bidds for last weekend (May 8th) your event wasn't listed up as far as I can remember, and Des certainly has had my dates since October.

Des phoned me a few months ago to tell me that your nighter was going to be on the same weekend as Bidds and asked how we could prevent any damage to either event (as far as the rare room was concerned)......as part of that discussion he gave me his word he would not use any of my resident DJs (except for himself of course, as he runs the room) so there would be less similarities between your Rare Room and Bidds the following night.

I could of course, have dropped Des from my line-up for the Saturday, but he didn't seem too keen on that idea

Anyway, besides booking Johnny Beggs as his 'mystery guest' , he otherwise pretty much kept to his word.

My point being, if not already in place, you do need to open communications with as many other allnighter promoters as possible, especially with the size of your promotion.

When there is a clash, even if over a weekend rather than the same night, there will never be any winners.

Regards

Mace

Edited May 14, 201015 yr by Mace