Who are the artists

Billy & Betty, who recorded on Sag-Port?

Billy & Betty, who recorded on Sag-Port?

I think Billy is also the billy behind Billy and the Hi-Liners

Were they twins?

It is a bit like the Stunners on Renfro. Were they Stunners?

Were they twins?

It is a bit like the Stunners on Renfro. Were they Stunners?

And did the AD-LIBS ...ad lib:D

Were they twins?

It is a bit like the Stunners on Renfro. Were they Stunners?

hahaha..pmsl

hahaha..pmsl

Was Billy Arnell's bird really so hard?

Back on topic Billy & Betty who?

Mr Manship has a copy on list and website described as Detroit Northern Soul

Have always thought of this one as out of Chicago

Anyone shed any light please?

Brilliant record - wherever it comes from

Cheers

Richard

totally chicago

Cheers Bob - thanks for confirming

I just love the record and have had a copy for many years - well before I knew the Magnetics version even existed

Cheers

Richard

Who are the artists

Obviously uses the same backing track as The Magnetics "Count The Days" which is on Sable as well.

I have always thought the Magnetics to be first and The Soulful twins a few years later.

But there must be some connection, as the both use the same label name.

used to be a regular £5 or 5 for £20 on pat bradys list and was in a lot of boxes in the 90`s. ive just seen it for £250 which i think is obscene. was going to post in the overpriced section thats goin on currently. great record but £250 never in the creation.................................. £75 maybe

dave

Err, one on my sales post at the mo' but on hold. True always was a fiver tune in 80s but there genuinely doesn't seem to be that many around these days, rarely listed, unless everybody's hogging em!

Also is it actually defo exactly the same backing track, or a bit like the Rockmasters / Sapphires, same but different if you know what I mean?

Edited February 19, 201114 yr by mark w.

Err, one on my sales post at the mo' but on hold. True always was a fiver tune in 80s but there genuinely doesn't seem to be that many around these days, rarely listed, unless everybody's hogging em!

Also is it actually defo exactly the same backing track, or a bit like the Rockmasters / Sapphires, same but different if you know what I mean?

dont know mark not seen your sales. this is on a major dealer list that dropped thru the door this morning

dave

just looked mark and £80 is a decent price on it so no wonder it sold unless my pitch about the price sold it for you lol

dave

fyi, none of the magnetics were the soulful twins, it's just the same backing track

i paid 90$ last year for a mint- but warped copy

Currently £250 on Manship's site/list

Cheers

Richard

Currently £250 on Manship's site/list

......£150 TOO MUCH

BRI PINCH

Currently £250 on Manship's site/list

Cheers

Richard

Makes the £60 i paid for mine last year look a real bargin

used to be a regular £5 or 5 for £20 on pat bradys list and was in a lot of boxes in the 90`s. ive just seen it for £250 which i think is obscene. was going to post in the overpriced section thats goin on currently. great record but £250 never in the creation.................................. £75 maybe

dave

Still got loads of PB's lists from 93/94ish, like you say dave this was in the bargains bonanza section, if you bought 10 it was £30 so £3 a piece which i did on some occasions but unfortunately not the S/Twins . Some other things in those sections also fetching money now like Johnny Sayles on st Lawrence!

If only you could turn the clock back.

On the other hand there's other things that he had for say £30-40 that havent really increased in value so without hindsight the skill would have been picking the right ones at the time and how many can say they actually did this all the time?

Edited February 20, 201114 yr by Steve L

Still got loads of PB's lists from 93/94ish, like you say dave this was in the bargains bonanza section, if you bought 10 it was £30 so £3 a piece which i did on some occasions but unfortunately not the S/Twins . Some other things in those sections also fetching money now like Johnny Sayles on st Lawrence!

If only you could turn the clock back.

On the other hand there's other things that he had for say £30-40 that havent really increased in value so without hindsight the skill would have been picking the right ones at the time and how many can say they actually did this all the time?

thats right steve i did the same but always thought i`d hold out for a magnetics which was only about £2/250 back then and me and bri could just about swing it. sadly wages havent gone up with inflation

dave

used to be a regular £5 or 5 for £20 on pat bradys list and was in a lot of boxes in the 90`s. ive just seen it for £250 which i think is obscene. was going to post in the overpriced section thats goin on currently. great record but £250 never in the creation.................................. £75 maybe

dave

That's where i got my first one from, which i swapped for another single (can't remember what, but it was a £15 record at the time).

Eventually picked up a second copy off eBay for about £15 all in, before it went silly.

When this record was adout as Keith said a fiver would buy it,i understood that Mr Anderson(i think)had some coppies knocked up from the master tape,but it was a long time ago.Gilly

used to be a regular £5 or 5 for £20 on pat bradys list and was in a lot of boxes in the 90`s. ive just seen it for £250 which i think is obscene. was going to post in the overpriced section thats goin on currently. great record but £250 never in the creation.................................. £75 maybe

dave

I'd say £75 was too much!

When this record was adout as Keith said a fiver would buy it,i understood that Mr Anderson(i think)had some coppies knocked up from the master tape,but it was a long time ago.Gilly

Are you saying they are all bootlegs??

Edited February 24, 201114 yr by Guest

No not bootlegs a product that someone has done with the owner of the master tapes so bootleg isnt the correct word issued years after they were first laid on a studio tape.

No not bootlegs a product that someone has done with the owner of the master tapes so bootleg isnt the correct word issued years after they were first laid on a studio tape.

Hi Gilly.Good point raised here.

How long between recording and putting to vinyl is considered ok?.

If it was a month and we (on the soul scene) on non the wiser,no problem.But when it becomes common knowledge that,say, it was a few years gap,then we get the jitters. .Sorry to be off topic btw.

No not bootlegs a product that someone has done with the owner of the master tapes so bootleg isnt the correct word issued years after they were first laid on a studio tape.

Are they a 1970's custom product 45rpm, made for the Northern Soul scene?

If they were made for a UK dealer, it seems strange that there are so many copies on popsike, sold from the USA.

Edited February 25, 201114 yr by Guest

Don't give a flyin fcuk , I have two copies and I love the record.

No not bootlegs a product that someone has done with the owner of the master tapes so bootleg isnt the correct word issued years after they were first laid on a studio tape.

Really? I had no idea.

Thank the Lord i paid £4 for it (from Rudzy in the early 90s, always used to knock him down a £ or 2 lol)

Keep your shirts on, i bought 100s of 45s from him

Rob

No doubt I'll see John Anderson at Allentown, so I'll ask him about this.

He's quite open about what he had pressed by record companies bitd.

To me it looks like a mid 60s Chicago press - the label font looks spot on.

You could well be right,as to my first post on this topic its what was being said at the time.It is a brill record but not as good(in my opinion)as the Magnetics,both sides in my top 20 of all time but never owned one,did have 2 of the Holding on 45

quick reply to this as I'm just about to pop out to the Wilton...

spoke to John Anderson at Prestatyn and he told me the following:

Soulful Twins is a genuine release, he didn't have them pressed, and the reason thay have a different label design is because it was distributed by Onederful/

He got them as part of his large One-der-ful, Mar-V-Lus, M-Pac hit (I think he said he purchased circa 200 of them along with 400 of the Ringleaders on M-pac) and that there were 'loads' left by him.

quick reply to this as I'm just about to pop out to the Wilton...

spoke to John Anderson at Prestatyn and he told me the following:

Soulful Twins is a genuine release, he didn't have them pressed, and the reason thay have a different label design is because it was distributed by Onederful/

He got them as part of his large One-der-ful, Mar-V-Lus, M-Pac hit (I think he said he purchased circa 200 of them along with 400 of the Ringleaders on M-pac) and that there were 'loads' left by him.

Thanks for that excellent information, its good that it has been cleared up.

Sometimes record collecting originals, can make one a bit paranoid!!!