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Lenny Curtis On Ebay

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Its a repress out this year.. :)

NOT AN ORIGINAL :):D

real one looks like this :ohmy:

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Its a repress out this year..

NOT AN ORIGINAL

Same geezer that had the Phonetics innit?

exactly the same seller

I told him myself they were boots he is obviously keen to keep buyers ID private so we cant contact them to say they are being ripped off.

all the big titles he is selling are reissue/bootleegs

he bought them from the UK

exactly the same seller

I told him myself they were boots he is obviously keen to keep buyers ID private so we cant contact them to say they are being ripped off.

all the big titles he is selling are reissue/bootleegs

he bought them from the UK

100% Boot,

I also emailed the seller and told him it was another bootleg 45 he was selling,

also said he should end the auction and relist it as a reissue/boot,looks like

it fell on deaf ears :ohmy:wanker.gif

Dave f...........

exactly the same seller

I told him myself they were boots he is obviously keen to keep buyers ID private so we cant contact them to say they are being ripped off.

all the big titles he is selling are reissue/bootleegs

he bought them from the UK

I have been on eBay since Nov. 1999 and never had a problem. In the beginning I would give a full refund and I was getting records back without a reason. I now state All Sales Final. BUT if a customer is unhappy I do give a refund. My eBay statement From my own Collection. If I buy a record from you today and next month decide to sell it on eBay I still believe it's from my own collection. All the statements on my listings are standord this way I only have to type the record title. I bought my first record in 1953 and had over 18,000 7" 45s. All records from the late 40s to the early 60s. Today they call them Doo Wop. I never bought any what they call today Northern Soul except early items on Motown (Satintones, etc.).

I do buy and sell on eBay as you can see in my Feedback. I get eMail from all over with people asking me to buy records as well as Autographed Items (Baseballs etc.). The record on the Trudel Label looks good to me and I paid $18 from the UK. I put it on eBay for $24.99. I can not tell Plastic from Vinyl as you stated. I do not have any info as to the Matrix numbers or the numbers written in the Dead Wax. The label looks really good and the sound quality is fine. Even tho I have never seen it before. Now as far as a Private Auction. I use to let everyone see the bidders and started to receive complaints from eBayers. Example: You place a bid of say $90. Someone bids $95 and wins the record. They even used a snip program which is legal on eBay and places a bid automatically 4 seconds before the auction's end. The next day you receive an eMail that someone has the record and will sell it to you for $75. You send the money and never get the record. Ebay can not help you. I have never had a negative feedback that said I would not give a Full Refund. I have cancelled checks and PayPal refunds that were sent. Not many because most are happy. I say on eBay if you have any doubt or I do not answer a question to your liking Please DO NOT BID. I was confused at first when you sent me the first email from: Question for item #4805525858 - RARE DOO WOP THE DELLS. Because I bought that record when it was first released. 2 people from the UK told me they would send me a scan of the Phonetics record. I have not received the scan?

:ohmy:

100% Boot,

I also emailed the seller and told him it was another bootleg 45 he was selling,

also said he should end the auction and relist it as a reissue/boot,looks like

it fell on deaf ears :ohmy:wanker.gif

Dave f...........

I also emailed the seller to tell him its a boot, here is his reply:

Hi,

It has a blue and orange label I heard the bootleg is White label. and it has machine stamped 1127 in the dead wax,

Joe

May be we ought to start bidding his dodgey items up

It's the 'MEGA RARE' tag that gets me :ohmy:

He should be band and spare us anymore of his lame excuses.

FOSLAND named and shamed :angry:

I answer ALL my email. According to Manship Guide:

Here is what it say's in Manship on Page 14:

Bootleg was pressed with a plain Black and White End Label. Original is the regular multi-coloured Blue/orange End Label.

Joe

on the label alone, type placement, size, typeface, colors all completely different than original.

im not buying it. its people like you who take advantage of this scene that ruin it for me.

if you have even an ounce of respect for the people who purchase from you, you will relist the OTHER boots that you have up for auction as such.

ugh.

Huh!

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $560.00 Dec-19-05 12:01:26 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $550.00 Dec-19-05 09:49:52 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $510.99 Dec-19-05 10:42:41 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $340.99 Dec-19-05 10:35:32 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $240.00 Dec-19-05 08:31:46 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $182.50 Dec-19-05 08:10:24 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $170.00 Dec-19-05 07:31:15 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $150.50 Dec-19-05 08:09:49 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $60.00 Dec-13-05 10:13:07 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $30.50 Dec-16-05 18:18:15 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $27.50 Dec-14-05 12:30:31 PST

private listing - bidders' identities protected US $25.00 Dec-13-05 04:12:45 PST

What's all this private listing shit? I'ts not even a great record is it.

I answer ALL my email. According to Manship Guide:

Here is what it say's in Manship on Page 14:

Bootleg was pressed with a plain Black and White End Label. Original is the regular multi-coloured Blue/orange End Label.

Joe

Can't see you have any defence. 'MEGA RARE' ?????? Don't make me laugh!

Really don't care for your deceit.

Why the comments about ignoring emails offering the record for cheaper being scams? If anything Mr Fosland, it's you scamming these poor misinformed fools! :ohmy:

We had this last year with the melbourne scammer which left a bad taste in australian sellers mouths , one of the melbourne crowd went and knocked is door, the saying '' one bad apple'' to keep are house in order . Blatant rip offs should be advertised on every soul site in the world, so we can black list list these blaggars , off to to post on northern soul in oz. Fosland it is surposed to be the season of good will , not greed . john

As much as I hate the guys behind these scams, you have to ask yourself about the shit-for-brains that won the auction :ohmy: !! These are OBVIOUS boots! The saying goes something like this, "A fool and his money are soon parted..."

Sooner the better! Leave the "real" records for those who have done their homework! :)

As for you Mr. Fosland, you are either the biggest a-hole I've come across or 10x's more ignorant than the people who buy your FAKE records. Please read us some more excerpts from your books....we're ready to learn!

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I think you're all being rather hard on old Fosland. Without those American dealers on Ebay how would we all ever know what was Northern Soul and which were "Mega-rare" and which were just "awesome". I've learnt a lot from those guys like for instance how to play a warped, cracked 45 with an 18gm cartridge rigged to a nuclear reactor core so that it plays like Mint.

ROD

As much as I hate the guys behind these scams, you have to ask yourself about the shit-for-brains that won the auction :P !! These are OBVIOUS boots! The saying goes something like this, "A fool and his money are soon parted..."

Sooner the better! Leave the "real" records for those who have done their homework! :P

Its obviously been bidded up by his mates, as a sort of told you so for the shit he got on hear over the Phonetics beer.gif even a dumb shit would know what a real L C would look like wouldn't you think :lol: as for being enough of them to bid it up that high well, i dont think so, i smell a rat :D

Huh!

What's all this private listing shit? I'ts not even a great record is it.

Just to keep you educated on one of the many eBay choices:

Private Listing

When a seller creates a private listing, a buyer's User ID does not appear in the listing or in the listing's bid history. Only the seller is authorized to view the buyer User IDs associated with that listing.

Just to keep you educated on one of the many eBay choices:

Private Listing

When a seller creates a private listing, a buyer's User ID does not appear in the listing or in the listing's bid history. Only the seller is authorized to view the buyer User IDs associated with that listing.

Thanks for that Einstien!!! so who bought your Item or was it you bidding it up :angry:

I also emailed the seller to tell him its a boot, here is his reply:

Hi,

It has a blue and orange label I heard the bootleg is White label. and it has machine stamped 1127 in the dead wax,

Joe

CORRECT and it is listed in MANSHIP's Guide to: Bootlegs. See Page 14.

Joe

Thief! Thief! Thief! :P

Guy's an asshole! Needs a cloutin! 'nuff sed.

Dave

https://www.hitsvillesoulclub.com/

And a Merry Christmas to you as well DAVE

Joe

After orignaly sticking up for this guy I now take it all back been waiting for + feed back from him and after leaving him with it. may be somthing to do with not bidding on his carstaires after showing some intrest and then all this boot debate on here,

As for you Mr. Fosland, you are either the biggest a-hole I've come across or 10x's more ignorant than the people who buy your FAKE records. Please read us some more excerpts from your books....we're ready to learn!

Been on eBay and never had a problem till I bought these records from the UK and added a small markup. All I hear is that they were recently booted????? Most of the eMails I get thru eBay the people never give their name or eMail address. So since I have not been educated on any new boots that makes me an A-Hole. Since you are in California you ought to know that the Bootleggers should be taken care of like here in the 70's with the Doo Wop Stuff. Before I bought the records I only look at Manships. They looked fine to me. I just bought a record called "Such A Nice Girl"/"Check Me Out" by The Smith Brothers on GOLD FUTURE GF 1A. I paid $25 for it. Now is this a new Boot???? It list's for 300 pounds sterling in Manship's.

Joe

fosman@optonline.net

Stick to Doo Wop pal, you seem to know f--k all about soul music . why the f--k would you buy from UK in the first place , do you think us Brits are twats or what .I really do not think you know how cluded up some of us over here are

buyers beware !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Joe,

They make the boots to look like the originals - look alikes.

Anyone selling Northern Soul in the UK will know the true value of an original, so if they are selling a $500 plus record for $20 something probably aint right.

If they are coming out of the UK in absolute brand new mint condition, something probably aint right.

There are some boots about from a few years ago that you need a real one alongside it to spot the difference, it is not always easy.

Martyn

They make the boots to look like the originals - look alikes.

Anyone selling Northern Soul in the UK will know the true value of an original, so if they are selling a $500 plus record for $20 something probably aint right.

If they are coming out of the UK in absolute brand new mint condition, something probably aint right.

There are some boots about from a few years ago that you need a real one alongside it to spot the difference, it is not always easy.

Martyn, you seem to be the only person on here that speaks like a real gentleman and I applaud you. Well I buy small collections here and at times a nice money record appears. The one I mentioned before I got from the UK on Gold Future and it is a US pressing and original for sure. I use the Manship bootleg guide but guess it's outdated. The boots over here we go by Dead Wax numbers and I have a list of over 800 bootleg numbers. I have an item on eBay now that I received many questions (4808134333) It is original. There is a person on eBay now with a low starting bid on doo wop records. I have fetched a few money records from him at very low prices. https://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZolly1filmsQQhtZ-1

As you say some you can not tell especially if you do not have the original.

Thank you and have a Merry Christmas,

Joe

Martyn, you seem to be the only person on here that speaks like a real gentleman and I applaud you. Well I buy small collections here and at times a nice money record appears. The one I mentioned before I got from the UK on Gold Future and it is a US pressing and original for sure. I use the Manship bootleg guide but guess it's outdated. The boots over here we go by Dead Wax numbers and I have a list of over 800 bootleg numbers. I have an item on eBay now that I received many questions (4808134333) It is original. There is a person on eBay now with a low starting bid on doo wop records. I have fetched a few money records from him at very low prices. https://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZolly1filmsQQhtZ-1

As you say some you can not tell especially if you do not have the original.

Thank you and have a Merry Christmas,

Joe

Thing is Mr Fosland the people who are bidding on your boots could well be poor unsuspecting soulies.

On our scene, If we are out dancing and someone treads on your toe you get eye contact and a tactile sincere apology. This is the the etiquette and common courtesy that we afford each other. Not just on the dance floor, but throughout every aspect of the scene and you and your 'mega rare' boots just doesn't sit well with an honest representation of what you are selling. People on here have the smarts to see right through your silly game.

It's not just Martyn that is a gentleman, pretty much everyone on the scene is. But you sir, well I'm not so sure to be honest.

Joe,

They make the boots to look like the originals - look alikes.

Anyone selling Northern Soul in the UK will know the true value of an original, so if they are selling a $500 plus record for $20 something probably aint right.

If they are coming out of the UK in absolute brand new mint condition, something probably aint right.

There are some boots about from a few years ago that you need a real one alongside it to spot the difference, it is not always easy.

Martyn

Martyn, I think you are being too kind in giving this guy the benefit of the doubt.... I reckon the c*** knows what he's doing!

Dave,

There is a 50 / 50 chance, but by explaining politely the point is probably better taken, which had not been the case.

If we catch him doing it again the issue is proved beyond doubt.

If something looks to good to be true, it probably is.

Is a gold Rolex for £25 going to be real, not a chance.

In all honesty we should be targeting the manufacturers of these fakes, thats what they are fakes, lets not dress it up re-issues, boots whatever, at the end of the day they are fakes.

Take your £25 fake Rolex into an authorised dealer for a new battery and he has every right to smash it to bits, it is after all a fake.

I think the best plan of action is to stop the things being made in the first place, after all it is on our shores where they originate.

Martyn

Dave,

There is a 50 / 50 chance, but by explaining politely the point is probably better taken, which had not been the case.

If we catch him doing it again the issue is proved beyond doubt.

You mean like the "mega rare Marvin Gaye Promo"....... :lol:

Sorry, wouldn't know about the 70's, born in '81. How could a long time record dealer not see that these records are bootlegs, soul, doowop or otherwise. I am no expert any other field of music, BUT I know for the most part what a knockoff looks like. There are exceptions, but this is not one of them. Sam Fletcher belgium bootleg and Moses Smith are very cleverly done, and it would be understandable if you were mislead when buying them. You MUST have had inkling of doubt that something was not right with those records. AND YET, you still tried to pass them off!! SO, what I am trying to say is that no one is gonna believe that a "long time dealer" like yourself would not figure out these were boots. Simple as that. "I didn't know any better" is an excuse reserved for children....not a dealer who "took on the bootleggers in the 70's".

Been on eBay and never had a problem till I bought these records from the UK and added a small markup. All I hear is that they were recently booted????? Most of the eMails I get thru eBay the people never give their name or eMail address. So since I have not been educated on any new boots that makes me an A-Hole. Since you are in California you ought to know that the Bootleggers should be taken care of like here in the 70's with the Doo Wop Stuff. Before I bought the records I only look at Manships. They looked fine to me. I just bought a record called "Such A Nice Girl"/"Check Me Out" by The Smith Brothers on GOLD FUTURE GF 1A. I paid $25 for it. Now is this a new Boot???? It list's for 300 pounds sterling in Manship's.

Joe

Edited by recordwanted

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=4808110169

It is a boot isn't it. Someone on here bidding it up I assume.

Just a few thoughts on this.

That end label design is a west coast pressing which should have a raised X in dead wax

Are they styrene?

Other End label issues are west coast (styrene), blue/orange, or east coast (vinyl), sausage dog logo

Anna King etc.

Except, Lenny Curtiss which have never turned up on dog logo east coast pressings?

Collectors dream that one?

Could someone please clarify.

Were the Lenny curtiss boots west coast pressing copies? surely genuine ones exist.

Cheers,

Derek.

LENNIE C BOOTS WERE WHITE AND BLACK DEMOS.

LOOKALIKE WEST COAST LABEL

BUT IVE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER END WHITE DEMO..????

SO DONT KNOW IF THEY EXIST.

I THOUGHT END DEMOS WERE SAME AS ISSUES WITH DEMO /PROMO

IN THE LAYOUT SOMEWHERE

Normally i'd say 'buyer beware'. If you're collecting rare soul you should know your stuff or expect to get ripped off, not many people buy one off vinyl 45s unless they are buying gifts i expect so whoever bought this must be collecting. However, this is such an extreme case of difference in value that i think Joe should either reimburse the buyer and relist the item or reduce the cost to it's more likely $10. We don't know if the buyer has even paid yet...

That's what i'd do if i was a dealer. Surely his reputation is worth more than $500?

I'd like to hear what other dealers on here would do in the same situation. If you accidentally sold a boot way over the odds, would you reiburse the buyer when you realised your mistake (or only if you thought your name would be splattered all over soul source? :lol: ). Let's hear from the dealers.

Matt

LENNIE C BOOTS WERE WHITE AND BLACK DEMOS.

LOOKALIKE WEST COAST LABEL

BUT IVE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER END WHITE DEMO..????

SO DONT KNOW IF THEY EXIST.

I THOUGHT END DEMOS WERE SAME AS ISSUES WITH DEMO /PROMO

IN THE LAYOUT SOMEWHERE

here's one richie

just about the most awesome female vocal i've ever heard too

also, one thing end records, certainly the blue and orange ones, always seem to suffer from is label wear (see my copy below, whcih i think is pretty typical of the label...ringwear etc).

apart from the fact that this obvious boot doesn't even actually look like a proper one, the label is too clean.

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Edited by Dan

Normally i'd say 'buyer beware'. If you're collecting rare soul you should know your stuff or expect to get ripped off, not many people buy one off vinyl 45s unless they are buying gifts i expect so whoever bought this must be collecting. However, this is such an extreme case of difference in value that i think Joe should either reimburse the buyer and relist the item or reduce the cost to it's more likely $10. We don't know if the buyer has even paid yet...

That's what i'd do if i was a dealer. Surely his reputation is worth more than $500?

I'd like to hear what other dealers on here would do in the same situation. If you accidentally sold a boot way over the odds, would you reiburse the buyer when you realised your mistake (or only if you thought your name would be splattered all over soul source? :lol: ). Let's hear from the dealers.

Matt

There's quite a few dealers that have done that wether they reimbursted is another matter, i'm not going to mention names but you know who you are :yes:

Ted

The problem here is that Joe (Fosland), was made aware of the problem and ignored well intended expert advice. Forums like this are paramount in exposing these "errors" and I for one am more than happy to point out the mistakes and give dealers the benefit of the doubt. These boots are turning up here now. I've even had the JM Bootleg Guide thrust under my nose as "justification". Most US dealers however, when aware of the true status of these crappy things, will either relist/cancel the item/withdraw it from sale. Here's the REAL issue, he didn't. And, for all we know may well have scammed some poor punter out of a considerable wad of dosh! No other word for it. Thievery! Plain and simple. Hence, with all respect to any Bhudist listees, needs a cloutin'.

If however, Fosland has the integrity to return the cash, cancel the transaction and relist the shite for what it is then of course his need for a cloutin' will recieve my full and undivided reconsideration. :lol:

Question? Say, for instance, this happened at a 'niter what would ensue?

Regards,

Dave

https://www.hitsvillesoulclub.com/

Question? Say, for instance, this happened at a 'niter what would ensue?

I'd predict a riot.

The problem here is that Joe (Fosland), was made aware of the problem and ignored well intended expert advice. Forums like this are paramount in exposing these "errors" and I for one am more than happy to point out the mistakes and give dealers the benefit of the doubt. These boots are turning up here now. I've even had the JM Bootleg Guide thrust under my nose as "justification". Most US dealers however, when aware of the true status of these crappy things, will either relist/cancel the item/withdraw it from sale. Here's the REAL issue, he didn't. And, for all we know may well have scammed some poor punter out of a considerable wad of dosh! No other word for it. Thievery! Plain and simple. Hence, with all respect to any Bhudist listees, needs a cloutin'.

If however, Fosland has the integrity to return the cash, cancel the transaction and relist the shite for what it is then of course his need for a cloutin' will recieve my full and undivided reconsideration. :lol:

Question? Say, for instance, this happened at a 'niter what would ensue?

Regards,

All I can say is if Dave's gonna do the cloutin, watch out Mr Fosland!!!

Dave

https://www.hitsvillesoulclub.com/

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