Are the white demo boots of Bobby Sheen something new to do all on see through vinyl? just got a copy through and this looks to new. The copy i got is not see through vinyl. Are there any other differences in label design etc?

Tubbs

I think there are 2 different boots of this

Mine is the first one .See thru vinyl and the label is a straightfoward copy

The other ones came out at the same time as a batch of other look-alikes (Narbay, Holly St. James, Patrice Hollaway etc)

Are the white demo boots of Bobby Sheen something new to do all on see through vinyl? just got a copy through and this looks to new. The copy i got is not see through vinyl. Are there any other differences in label design etc?

Tubbs

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Easiest way is on the boot "Something new to do" has two stars on the label showing it is the A-side. On the original the two stars are on " I may not be what you want" as this is the proper A-side.

Edited November 12, 200420 yr by Awake 502

Got a proper one of these for sale if anyone is interested

Yes please.

Your price?

Buy an issue and you'll have none of the headache......

WOOF!

I've got an issue if anyone wants it. Manships latest price for an issue is £150

I'd be 50 quid cheaper than that, how do these people get away with it?

These people? There is one... and he goes by the name of :angry:

I've got an issue if anyone wants it.  Manships latest price for an issue is £150     

I'd be 50 quid cheaper than that, how do these people get away with it?

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JUST SOLD AN ISSUE FOR £60.00.

JUST SOLD AN ISSUE FOR £60.00.

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Sounds fair..... was £30 ten years ago.......

WOOF!

Sounds fair..... was £30 ten years ago.......

WOOF!

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The funny thing is that many years ago Manship used to have a cheap section on his lists where "I may not be want you want" was always there at £1.50! It never seemd to sell.

PS

at the time, other none sellers were:

Ray Pollard -This Time was £15

Jimmy BO Horne - Speak was £40

PSS

turned down Lary Clinton @ £75 & Arin Demain @£50 too dear, F***..............

I could only afford Holly St James @£10 & James Fountain @ £3

The funny thing is that many years ago Manship used to have a cheap section on his lists where "I may not be want you want" was always there at £1.50! It never seemd to sell.

PS

at the time, other none sellers were:

Ray Pollard -This Time was £15

Jimmy BO Horne - Speak was £40

PSS

turned down Lary Clinton @ £75 & Arin Demain @£50 too dear, F***..............

I could only afford Holly St James @£10 & James Fountain @ £3

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IT'S HAPPENED TO US ALL.

I COULDN'T AFFORD LESTER TIPTON-£45.00 AND FRANK WILSON-£300.00.

I THINK THAT MOTHER F----ER WILL HAUNT ME TILL MY GRAVE.

here's one that looks like mine which sold on ebay for $150+. No mention in description if it's a boot. Now confused anybody else throw any light on the matter.

Edited November 13, 200420 yr by tubbs

here's one that looks like mine which sold on ebay for $150+. No mention in description if it's a boot. Now confused anybody else throw any light on the matter.

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As per my earlier post... The one you show is a boot, the original does not have the two stars on the "something new to do" side as this is the original b-side..... wakey wakey....

Edited November 13, 200420 yr by Awake 502

yeah i did see your post but i emailed the guy who was selling on ebay and he said that it was an original. So at the moment it's one saying its a boot and one saying it's an original.

yeah i did see your post but i emailed the guy who was selling on ebay and he said that it was an original. So at the moment it's one saying its a boot and one saying it's an original.

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All I can add to this is the seller will say that won't he.... but it's up to you if you go ahead and buy the record....

I'm sure Awake 502 is 100% correct though.... easiest way to make sure is what been mentioned before.... get an issue not a DJ copy.... although they're more pricey....

If when you get it you find out it's a boot.... well you wouldn't be the first to have bought what you thought or was told was an original....

The originals also have a sharp edge to the disc, on the boots the edge is blunt.

The originals also have a sharp edge to the disc, on the boots the edge is blunt.

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What do you think will be the seller's answer to that question though Chalkster ....

P.S. if you make your new avatar a bit bigger we might just be able to read the writing ....

i didn't win the auction i never emailed the guy until the auction finished. So he's not trying to conn me

What do you think will be the seller's answer to that question though Chalkster ....

P.S. if you make your new avatar a bit bigger we might just be able to read the writing    ....

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Probably "Ouch I've just cut me f****** finger"

As for avatar it's the max size. The writing says Bro spent a most delightful birthday chillin' with his bitches.

Edited November 13, 200420 yr by chalky

i didn't win the auction i never emailed the guy until the auction finished. So he's not trying to conn me

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Confused a bit here .... is that because the "winner" pulled out for "some reason".... or did it have a "ridiculously" high reserve....????....

P.S. can you be sure he's not trying to con you ? do you know him personally ?

Edited November 13, 200420 yr by vaultofsouler

i bought the 45 froma diff seller but noticed the one on ebay so asked the seller of that one whether it was an original as it had the 2 stars on something new side like mine. the guy sold the one on ebay for $152 and it din't have a reserve on it. 3 people bid on it one bidding $100 one at $151 and the winner at $152. So thats 2 people bidding who obviously thought it an original and the seller as well

i bought the 45 froma diff seller but noticed the one on ebay so asked the seller of that one whether it was an original as it had the 2 stars on something new side like mine. the guy sold the one on ebay for $152 and it din't have a reserve on it. 3 people bid on it one bidding $100 one at $151 and the winner at $152. So thats 2 people bidding who obviously thought it an original and the seller as well

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The words "thought it an original" say it all tubbs.... not everyone is aware of every detail regarding original/boot differences I would suggest.... you learn as you go along over the years....

It's like a guy I know who showed me and a mate his newly purchased white dj copy of The Carstairs.... straight away we said it was a boot as it had "sterling" scratched into the run out grooves and not stamped.... he also said the seller (well known) insisted it was an original on an enquiry.... now was the seller "conning" or was the seller "unaware".... I'll leave that one with you ....

tubbs,

I think I got one like yours. Mine came from a very well known dealer about 8/10 years ago. stars on the something side, not on see through vinyl etc. In the run out its got WB-7662 QAL-0078-DJ 1B on both sides.

In my youthfull innocence I was just pleased to get it as I assumed everything I was getting via the major dealers were originals (never had any doubts on any other purchases though)...guess this don't help you much but you live and learn...

The originals also have a sharp edge to the disc, on the boots the edge is blunt.

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I thought this as well .But it seems my dj copy which has a sharp edge has the stars on the "Something" side.I got this off the bay years ago in a batch I got for around $30 of mixed stuff from a US seller.Is the two stars deffo on all demos and did they all come from the same press plant.Mine doesnt have any stamps in the run out groove.

Adam

Maybe the ones with the stars on the SNTD side are legit re-press from WB after hearing of the popularity. Personally would go for the one with the stars on the legit "A" side...or the issue

Edited November 13, 200420 yr by chalky

just been on Manships website and read in there that boots were see through vinyl when held up to light. said originals had matrix number wb-7662 qal-0078-dj 1b which mine has. No mention of what side stars are meant to be on. Somebody must have a definate answer on this. It's starting to do my fucking head in.

Tubbs

Don't know if this will help.

On the issue the stamped matrix numbers are

IMNBWYW side QAL 0077 - 1E

SNTD side QAL 0078 - 1E

On the white demos why would it have the same matrix on both sides.

soulmac.

Edited November 14, 200420 yr by soulmac

Tubbs

Dug out another Warner Bros white demo.

Gerald Sims - You'll Never Be Sorry / Rocket.

On this the matrix numbers are scatched in.

YNBS side is WB - 7680 QIL - 0016 - S 1B. (Stars on this label).

Rocket side is WB - 7680 QIL - 0017 - S 1A.

Same question again, why are the matrix numbers the same on both sides of Bobby Sheen.

Anybody out there got a white demo of Bobby Sheen with a different matrix number on each side.

soulmac.

Edited November 14, 200420 yr by soulmac

Anybody out there got a white demo of Bobby Sheen with a different matrix number on each side.

soulmac.

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Yes, on mine "Something..." is QAL-0078-DJ 1B and "I May..." is QAL-0077-DJ 1A.

And just to confuse things even further it has the stars on "Something..." but has a sharp edge - and looks and feels as though it was pressed in 1972.

It's starting to do my fucking head in.

This just gets better.

How's your head now Tubbs

soulmac.

Edited November 14, 200420 yr by soulmac

matrix number on mine is the same as soul adequate. Now this is where it should be simple to work out as imnbwyw side has 1a which would indicate a side and sntd has 1b on dead wax which would indicate b side but all copies people say they have bar one have 2 stars on imnbwyw side. John your gerald sims demo has stars on the side that has 1b on not 1a. I don't have any more warner bros white demos of this design to check whether stars are on 1a or 1b. Confused yet ? Too fucking right :diablo:

John my issue doesn't have the same matrix numbers as your's on Bobby Sheen mine has qal0077s-1a and qal0078s-1b

Yes, on mine "Something..." is QAL-0078-DJ 1B and "I May..." is QAL-0077-DJ 1A.

And just to confuse things even further it has the stars on "Something..." but has a sharp edge - and looks and feels as though it was pressed in 1972.

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Hi my copy has sharp edges and has scratched in dead wax on the

"Something" side=QAL-0078-DJ-1B (with the stars on this side)

"I may Not"=QAL-007-DJ-1B.

Which seem different to others

Its very confusing though all the people who have seen it say its original?.

John my issue doesn't have the same matrix numbers as your's on Bobby Sheen mine has qal0077s-1a and qal0078s-1b

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My issue (on styrene) is QAL 0077S - 1A IMNBWYW

QAL 0078S -1A SNTD

The higher number is almost always the B side of records. No idae why they both are followed by 1A, unless it tell you what pressing run it was, this being the first and 1E mentioned above is the 5th???

I found my copy in the basement of George's Song Shop in Johnstown PA in about 1986, on a trip with my mate Dave. It was in both our top 5s of that time (still one of my all-time favourite songs) and we obviously couldn't believe it when I pulled a copy out. He loved it just a bit more than me so I let him have it...then found another half an hour later. Very happy days.

Mine (scan attached - with 'slt lbl dmg') has the stars on the SNTD side, has different matrix numbers (WB-7662 QAL-0078-DJ 1B on SNTD, WB-7662 QAL-0077-DJ 1B on IMNBWYW and an edge I wouldn't characterise as either particularly sharp or blunt!

It MUST be a proper one, though, given where and how it was found.

Are we sure that SNTD isn't the proper A side anyway??

Edited November 14, 200420 yr by Dan

I found my copy in the basement of George's Song Shop in Johnstown PA in about 1986, on a trip with my mate Dave. It was in both our top 5s of that time (still one of my all-time favourite songs) and we obviously couldn't believe it when I pulled a copy out. He loved it just a bit more than me so I let him have it...then found another half an hour later. Very happy days.

Mine (scan attached - with 'slt lbl dmg') has the stars on the SNTD side, has different matrix numbers (WB-7662 QAL-0078-DJ 1B on SNTD, WB-7662 QAL-0077-DJ 1B on IMNBWYW and an edge I wouldn't characterise as either particularly sharp or blunt!

It MUST be a proper one, though, given where and how it was found.

Are we sure that SNTD isn't the proper A side anyway??

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Yours is same as mine Dan Im in agreement that its original.I dont know where the stars on which side denotes a boot comes from though you would think it would be in Manships boot guide as well as the see through vinyl.May be just a different press.

Adam

I just rechecked mine and I got it wrong (too much Bishops Finger!!!!!) Same in every way to Dan's and Adam's (stars, matrix etc)....where does this leave us?

Now we need someone with a see through boot to tell us what's in the runout.

soulmac.

Was at Andy Dysons yesterday his has the stars on the IMNBWYW side

asked John Manship he says boots are see through

don't know what the score is but would agree with Dan given where and when he found his copy and stars being on sntd side can't see them being a boot. Sometimes 45s were put out, the a side flopped dj's played the flip instead as it was better. So maybe warner bros decided to change Sntd to the a side after dj's feedback.

I just rechecked mine and I got it wrong (too much Bishops Finger!!!!!) Same in every way to Dan's and Adam's (stars, matrix etc)....where does this leave us?

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There's no such thing as too much Bishops Finger.

However, it gets knocked into a cocked hat by Marstons Strong Pale Ale. Better than The Imperial Cs.

Sorry, bit off topic.

What puzzles me is why anyone would actually want to buy this appalling record

I wouldn't have thought it was worh very much, as every man and his dog appears to have a copy!

Got to say IMNBWYW is oft overlooked for the more obvious side.

If anyone reading this has it & not played it, I suggest you give it a whirl.

Lovely it is, just lovely.

Jamie

Now we need someone with a see through boot to tell us what's in the runout.

soulmac. 

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matrix No. scratched in run-out SNTD

WB 7662 QAL 0078 DJ 1B and then what looks like ICE

IMNBWYW WB 7662 QAL 0077 DJ 1A

any wiser ?

Just bought a copy of this on Demo.

 

The stars are on the SNTD side. I have also checked 2 other WB US Demos that I have,
Mystic moods - Astral trip (stars on Astral Trip - A side) and Apollas - Mr Creator (stars on Mr Creator - A side).
 

On 45cat in the WB Discography, it shows 'SNTD' listed as the 'A' side and 'IMNBWYW' as the 'B'?

 

Just thought I'd add my two penneth!

Yours is same as mine Dan Im in agreement that its original.I dont know where the stars on which side denotes a boot comes from though you would think it would be in Manships boot guide as well as the see through vinyl.May be just a different press.

Adam

The original was pressed at least two different pressing plants. 

Stars on mine are as follows,

 

 

 

 

No help I know,  

 

Will have a pike at the matrix on my issue as well later and compare the two. 

HAVE A SOUTH AFRICAN ISSUE IF ANY BODY WANTS IT NEAR MINT