Modernsoulsucks Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 https://www.ebay.com/itm/196386013506 Just came across this. 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 bigger joke than 80% of records on discogs i reckon some sellers from the USA think we will pay anything for a record if it sounds remotely like a soul record! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 41 minutes ago, Modernsoulsucks said: https://www.ebay.com/itm/196386013506 Just came across this. Comedy Gold. Actually two of a kind as I’ve got one… Probably another 50 out there too. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Solidsoul Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) It's a nice record that has been played on the scene from time to time, but that price is just extracting the Michael! Also I am beginning to hate it when sellers on ebay use the A.I. option to make the descriptions on items for sale. It creates a massive load of unnecessary waffle Edited May 14 by Solidsoul 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 @Tiggerwoods Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Nice record but has been about for a few years ., haven’t a clue on value .. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 It wasn't really the price I was pointing out. Blurb mentions "backed by renowned Lovelane music" and seller is Lovelanemusicgroup. 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 9 minutes ago, Gary Brickwood said: Nice record but has been about for a few years ., haven’t a clue on value .. Last one on e-bay was £800 ... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 13 hours ago, Solidsoul said: Also I am beginning to hate it when sellers on ebay use the A.I. option to make the descriptions on items for sale. It creates a massive load of unnecessary waffle I was just thinking the same, what a load of bollocks 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Pretty sure they are all demos. Never seen an issue! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Think the issue is yellow I’m sure I’ve seen yellow copy somewhere Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 42 minutes ago, Gary Brickwood said: Think the issue is yellow I’m sure I’ve seen yellow copy somewhere Evidence would be nice ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Try YouTube Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, Gary Brickwood said: Try YouTube Try again ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 5 hours ago, Gary Brickwood said: Think the issue is yellow I’m sure I’ve seen yellow copy somewhere can only see the red on discogs, last copy 800, in 2018. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 (edited) Is he thinking of Shelletts ? Eagle ? Yellow? Edited May 23 by Modernsoulsucks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 More recently a grand on rare soul 45’s. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dandm Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Watched it finish twice no bids,back up third time opting for third time lucky I'm guessing Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 had this on tape 35 years ago.. i can remember seeing it for south of £100 in the 90s but decided to wait til it hit £500 before buying one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, Dave Pinch said: had this on tape 35 years ago.. i can remember seeing it for south of £100 in the 90s but decided to wait til it hit £500 before buying one Used to get it on a lot of tape swaps at one time in 80s. Jim Wensiora spin then Rob Marriott. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 24 minutes ago, Chalky said: Used to get it on a lot of tape swaps at one time in 80s. Jim Wensiora spin then Rob Marriott. never heard jim play but saw rob and had tapes from him back then.. cant recall it being on one of his tapes tho.. the tape i had it on was nearly all midtempo stuff altho it did start off with the volumes on Garu Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulcarp Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) Have had it years same as the volumes on garu but not a 10k record Edited May 24 by Soulcarp 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 On 14/05/2024 at 13:52, Modernsoulsucks said: It wasn't really the price I was pointing out. Blurb mentions "backed by renowned Lovelane music" and seller is Lovelanemusicgroup. Must be backstock directly from Sammy Kaplan's kids or grandchildren. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 6 hours ago, Soulcarp said: Have had it years same as the volumes on garu but not a 10k record My volumes came from Pat B in 1991.. £150 . He had 2 copies. Picked the better one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 On 14/05/2024 at 21:52, Modernsoulsucks said: It wasn't really the price I was pointing out. Blurb mentions "backed by renowned Lovelane music" and seller is Lovelanemusicgroup. https://lovelanemusicgroup.com/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nicola Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 On 23/05/2024 at 11:06, Tricky said: Pretty sure they are all demos. Never seen an issue! We have just spoken to Sammy Kaplan who produced the record and he said that they were all Issues. It was recorded at Terra Shirma Studios with the Funk Brothers on backing. It is his copy that was up for sale. I hope this helps. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulcarp Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 21 minutes ago, Nicola said: We have just spoken to Sammy Kaplan who produced the record and he said that they were all Issues. It was recorded at Terra Shirma Studios with the Funk Brothers on backing. It is his copy that was up for sale. I hope this helps. That’s what Robbie thought Nicola Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 9 hours ago, Nicola said: We have just spoken to Sammy Kaplan who produced the record and he said that they were all Issues. It was recorded at Terra Shirma Studios with the Funk Brothers on backing. It is his copy that was up for sale. I hope this helps. They can’t be issues with plug side on it? 1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Chalky said: They can’t be issues with plug side on it? I thought that originally , but I assumed that because both sides just show as VR-1000 the 'Plug Side' wording is there to indicate the A-side , along with the general industry standard of promos being white labelled copies. But I'm certainly not going to argue the toss with the 'horses mouth' , even if the producer is noted on the label as Tommy Moers and Kaplan's only credited as co-writer of the flip , maybe someone's confusing producing with publishing which was done by Sammy's 'Lovelane Music'... ? Edited May 28 by Woodbutcher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Thousands of demos were on issue copy labels as well as white labels. Even in Detroit off the top of my head Parliaments don't be sore at me.Fantastic four can't stop looking for my baby.Edwin Starr my kind of woman. My personal opinion is Sea Shells demo only. 1 on Discogs/ 7 on popsike.Plus those of us that have copies. Not a common record really. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 31 minutes ago, Tricky said: Thousands of demos were on issue copy labels as well as white labels. Even in Detroit off the top of my head Parliaments don't be sore at me.Fantastic four can't stop looking for my baby.Edwin Starr my kind of woman. My personal opinion is Sea Shells demo only. 1 on Discogs/ 7 on popsike.Plus those of us that have copies. Not a common record really. I did quite clearly say 'general industry standard' ... I think that 'thousands of demos on issue copy labels' is over-egging it a bit , the three you mention are all clearly labelled as DJ Copy -Not for resale as well which the Villige 45 lacks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Sorry didn't mean it to sound like I was having a dig. All over the states it would run into plenty though. Those came to mind.I am at work so meant to be working! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 14 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said: I did quite clearly say 'general industry standard' ... I think that 'thousands of demos on issue copy labels' is over-egging it a bit , the three you mention are all clearly labelled as DJ Copy -Not for resale as well which the Villige 45 lacks. I would lean to it being promo only with the plug side text.. if I’m honest I don’t really listen to what artists / label owners say so much as chances are after 50/60 their memory may be muddled and they probably can’t remember what they did last weekend 2 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 minutes ago, Tricky said: Sorry didn't mean it to sound like I was having a dig. All over the states it would run into plenty though. Those came to mind.I am at work so meant to be working! No worries fella , I'm supposed to be clearing brambles in the garden but it's just started raining ... shame that ... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, Dave Pinch said: I would lean to it being promo only with the plug side text.. if I’m honest I don’t really listen to what artists / label owners say so much as chances are after 50/60 their memory may be muddled and they probably can’t remember what they did last weekend It's not just the artists/label owners Dave , there are plenty of folk about that are still spouting the same nonsensical tales they were told at 3am at a niter 40 years ago , whilst off their proverbials. A larger pinch of salt is needed as every year passes I find. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Solution Dave Pinch Posted May 28 Solution Share Posted May 28 33 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said: It's not just the artists/label owners Dave , there are plenty of folk about that are still spouting the same nonsensical tales they were told at 3am at a niter 40 years ago , whilst off their proverbials. A larger pinch of salt is needed as every year passes I find. Exactly my friend.. some of the myths taken as gospel particularly 40/ 50 years ago can be hard to undo.. that David Cassidy was David and the giants lol.. I’m just off to spin my volumes in uk Pama.. only known copy I believe 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dave Pinch said: Exactly my friend.. some of the myths taken as gospel particularly 40/ 50 years ago can be hard to undo.. that David Cassidy was David and the giants lol.. I’m just off to spin my volumes in uk Pama.. only known copy I believe My favourite was someone insisting that Chris Clark - DILYIID was in fact Dave Evison's missus warbling over the FW backing track ... Edited May 28 by Woodbutcher 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 38 minutes ago, Dave Pinch said: Exactly my friend.. some of the myths taken as gospel particularly 40/ 50 years ago can be hard to undo.. that David Cassidy was David and the giants lol.. I’m just off to spin my volumes in uk Pama.. only known copy I believe I bet David would have got in a real "Huff" if he knew 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 3 hours ago, Woodbutcher said: I thought that originally , but I assumed that because both sides just show as VR-1000 the 'Plug Side' wording is there to indicate the A-side , along with the general industry standard of promos being white labelled copies. But I'm certainly not going to argue the toss with the 'horses mouth' , even if the producer is noted on the label as Tommy Moers and Kaplan's only credited as co-writer of the flip , maybe someone's confusing producing with publishing which was done by Sammy's 'Lovelane Music'... ? Could be a tax fiddle as tax not paid on demos? 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Striker Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 19 hours ago, Nicola said: We have just spoken to Sammy Kaplan who produced the record and he said that they were all Issues. It was recorded at Terra Shirma Studios with the Funk Brothers on backing. It is his copy that was up for sale. I hope this helps. Hi - does anyone know the story on the 'yellow' it was mentioned by Gary Brickwood earlier in the thread and I think dismissed but indeed (whilst there is clear evidence of the reds) yes indeed on YouTube there does appear to be a yellow one also marked 'plug side' - so is this picture on you tube real? were some copies yellow? anyone know? (and presumably then if they did exist based on extant copies the yellow would be rarer) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 35 minutes ago, Striker said: Hi - does anyone know the story on the 'yellow' it was mentioned by Gary Brickwood earlier in the thread and I think dismissed but indeed (whilst there is clear evidence of the reds) yes indeed on YouTube there does appear to be a yellow one also marked 'plug side' - so is this picture on you tube real? were some copies yellow? anyone know? (and presumably then if they did exist based on extant copies the yellow would be rarer) I've never found this mythical yellow copy on YT , a very low resolution , washed out orange label image yes but no yellow ... Put a link up to this alleged yellow one please ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Striker Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, Woodbutcher said: I've never found this mythical yellow copy on YT , a very low resolution , washed out orange label image yes but no yellow ... Put a link up to this alleged yellow one please ... Hi Woodbutcher, it probably will be that one - this is the link, just interested - the red is well documented, and then there is this.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 'Tain't yellow whichever way you spin it , just someone's hamfisted attempt to brighten the image , same as the one on Gripsweat. This is yellow ... Edited May 28 by Woodbutcher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Striker Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, Woodbutcher said: 'Tain't yellow whichever way you spin it , just someone's hamfisted attempt to brighten the image , same as the one on Gripsweat. Hi - I see what you are saying and it could be sun faded red turned orangey yes, bad image and/or edited but on the face of it it looks yellow, - just trying to establish if there ever were any yellow ones, evidence needed, I have no position on this just interested, asking if anyone knows. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tricky Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 No yellow copies. A couple of posters on you tube regularly change label colours on their uploads.Threw me at first but when you see label after label with a colour change you realise it’s artistic. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tricky said: No yellow copies. A couple of posters on you tube regularly change label colours on their uploads.Threw me at first but when you see label after label with a colour change you realise it’s artistic. Usually those posting tracks that don't have the actual 45 to play , just an mp3 lifted from the net or a CD , so they have to grab an image wherever they can find it. Edited May 28 by Woodbutcher 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulcarp Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, Woodbutcher said: Usually those posting tracks that don't have the actual 45 to play , just an mp3 lifted from the net or a CD. That’s the norm with a few people Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 10 hours ago, Chalky said: Could be a tax fiddle as tax not paid on demos? A very interesting theory! Knowing what some of the record company owners did to save money, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. And, of course, when the record shop owners complained that they got demos instead of store stockers, they would just apologise and claim it was a printing error, but the customers won't even notice the small print. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Striker Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 19 hours ago, Woodbutcher said: Usually those posting tracks that don't have the actual 45 to play , just an mp3 lifted from the net or a CD , so they have to grab an image wherever they can find it. Cheers guys, was just interested, I wasn't suggesting there were any yellows just asking views following thread above, on the prevailing evidence it appears there are only red ones Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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