Guest Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 (edited) I listend to some tunes today and it struck me that Garfield Fleming "Don't Send me Away" is very similar in many ways to "I Got It" only, dare I say it, a better and more soulful tune IMO. I think they should have gone for a more serious and moodier approach with Tolbert instead of that 'happy happy' easy sound that the girlie vocals and "The Hustle" bits create. It's good, but doesn't really grab me and it could have been much better if they had followed my advice. Gotta build myself a time machine it seems. Edited March 24, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest dodger Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 What is an Orwell??? link A lesson in hype Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 A lesson in hype link Be careful there Dodger....or I'll have you reported to the soul Police Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Be careful there Dodger....or I'll have you reported to the soul Police link Too late it's been done Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest dodger Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Be careful there Dodger....or I'll have you reported to the soul Police link I've actually been put under house arrest and tagged by the Soul Police so I'm not allowed out of the house this weekend to go anywhere near the Orwell and take the piss when it's not as full as they reckon!!! Only on the soul scene is telling the truth a crime!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
alison Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 I've actually been put under house arrest and tagged by the Soul Police so I'm not allowed out of the house this weekend to go anywhere near the Orwell and take the piss when it's not as full as they reckon!!! Only on the soul scene is telling the truth a crime!! link I am quite happy to head count for you Roger, if it's THAT important to you Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest dodger Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 I am quite happy to head count for you Roger, if it's THAT important to you link No need mate, you'd lie, you're on their Flatcap Register. Bet you can't WAIT to hear Grandaddy Barndoor's Eric Sykes c/u/p/o/f/t/e/a Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
alison Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 No need mate, you'd lie, you're on their Flatcap Register. Bet you can't WAIT to hear Grandaddy Barndoor's Eric Sykes c/u/p/o/f/t/e/a link Mick Smith, Dave Welding, Butch, Steve G etc have been playing it for a long time Rog, it's old hat now .....and l won't tell porkies, promise ( although I can't claim not to see double when I've had a few ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest woolie mark Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Couldn't agree more Pete i bow my head in your general direction and salute your impeccable taste Yeah right link yeah, i agree with johnny pete, i used to quite like modern soul until i read some of your well reasoned critical analyses and realised - thanks to your superior wisdom - that it's all sh*te ....except garage house of course, do you agree? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 I've actually been put under house arrest and tagged by the Soul Police so I'm not allowed out of the house this weekend to go anywhere near the Orwell and take the piss when it's not as full as they reckon!!! Only on the soul scene is telling the truth a crime!! link No joking mate, I have had three calls from Her Majesty's finest Soul Police this afternoon making "enquiries". I gather that the matter has now "fast tracked" up the chain of command to Deputy Commissioner Barnfather no less, who in turn has demanded written statements be on his desk by 09.00 Tuesday, in time for his next submission to "Manifesto". Can't say I didn't warn you there. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Mick Smith, Dave Welding, Butch, Steve G etc have been playing it for a long time Rog, it's old hat now .....and l won't tell porkies, promise ( although I can't claim not to see double when I've had a few ) link Quite true Alison, not to mention Mick H. Eric Sykes c/up is very old now, and is barely making it into the large "400 singles" box at the moment, let alone anything else. Enjoy the Orwell, and if asked, you ain't seen Dodger Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest cC B Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Quite true Alison, not to mention Mick H. Eric Sykes c/up is very old now, and is barely making it into the large "400 singles" box at the moment, let alone anything else. Enjoy the Orwell, and if asked, you ain't seen Dodger link Why not un-cover it then... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Why not un-cover it then... link Patience patience my friend. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Why not un-cover it then... link Becasue us people who know what it is have time to try and find some more copies to sell to people with more money than sense! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 27, 2005 Author Share Posted March 27, 2005 (edited) yeah, i agree with johnny pete, i used to quite like modern soul until i read some of your well reasoned critical analyses and realised - thanks to your superior wisdom - that it's all sh*te ....except garage house of course, do you agree? link Hey Mr Comedy, I don't try to come up with any critical analysis, all modern soul is shite and I don't need to say anymore. It's all useless. I can't even classify it as music. Edited March 27, 2005 by Pete-S Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 (edited) Hey Mr Comedy, I don't try to come up with any critical analysis, all modern soul is shite and I don't need to say anymore. It's all useless. I can't even classify it as music. link So is it fair to say the Vanguards is your least hated modern track? As discussed in that other thread a week or so back, thinking it was late sixties promted a "yeah it's allright" response. We then found out it was early seventies. Edited March 27, 2005 by Ian Sims Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 27, 2005 Author Share Posted March 27, 2005 So is it fair to say the Vanguards is your least hated modern track? As discussed in that other thread a week or so back, thinking it was late sixties promted a "yeah it's alright" response. We then found out it was early seventies. link Makes no difference, it's just a very average record. Hey I like Cleethorpes type 70's oldies, the ones that were uptempo dancers, I just don't like modern. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Hey I like Cleethorpes type 70's oldies, link Hey Pete - is this yet another "sub-genre"? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 (edited) Makes no difference, it's just a very average record. Hey I like Cleethorpes type 70's oldies, the ones that were uptempo dancers, I just don't like modern. link Do you think there is a clear distinction between 70's and modern? Edited March 27, 2005 by Ian Sims Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 Do you think there is a clear distinction between 70's and modern? link God yes. OK just to stop you keep asking me about this, some 70's tunes I liked/like east coast connection willie j & co anderson brothers diane jenkins stanley woodruff mel britt creative source skullsnaps life the nights ikettes (2 timin double dealin) liberty eloise laws towanada & total destruction bobby hutton will collins johnny williams that sort of thing - 4/4 beat, danceable... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 wow Pete big of you to admit it How old's Mel britt (the record)? I know it's 70s, but just how 70s? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 God yes. OK just to stop you keep asking me about this, some 70's tunes I liked/like east coast connection willie j & co anderson brothers diane jenkins stanley woodruff mel britt creative source skullsnaps life the nights ikettes (2 timin double dealin) liberty eloise laws towanada & total destruction bobby hutton will collins johnny williams that sort of thing - 4/4 beat, danceable... link There is plenty of good 70's that would fit your bill, maybe you have just been unlucky and got to hear loads of depressing undanceable junk and therefore rejects it all as crap? Many 'old modern' sounds were played at Wigan and other northern venues in the late 70's and early 80's (at least that is what I have been told by older and wiser people), and to my ears they are basically northern, at least as far as the beat is concerned. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 wow Pete big of you to admit it How old's Mel britt (the record)? I know it's 70s, but just how 70s? link Not sure, but I think Mel Britt is from 1971, which makes it 34 years old, practically a new release. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Not sure, but I think Mel Britt is from 1971, which makes it 34 years old, practically a new release. link I thought it was more late 60's judging my the matrix number But I could be wrong - I have been wrong on this tricky thread once before. So Pete S would presumably also like things like the Aristocrats, in fact the uptempo "Mecca" type sound, when the Mecca was "cutting edge". Good, I thought for one moment that anything post 1969 was "condemned", I am glad it isn't. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Becasue us people who know what it is have time to try and find some more copies to sell to people with more money than sense! link When it does appear on e-bay for instance it still goes for high prices Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest taffy Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Becasue us people who know what it is have time to try and find some more copies to sell to people with more money than sense! link I KNOW WHAT IT IS,AIN'T GOT MORE MONEY THAN SENSE BUT STILL CAN'T FIND ONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 wow Pete big of you to admit it link B*ll*cks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 I thought it was more late 60's judging my the matrix number But I could be wrong - I have been wrong on this tricky thread once before. So Pete S would presumably also like things like the Aristocrats, in fact the uptempo "Mecca" type sound, when the Mecca was "cutting edge". Good, I thought for one moment that anything post 1969 was "condemned", I am glad it isn't. link I changed my mind, and tend to agree, don't know where I got that 1971 one thing from, I am sure I read it somewhere at some point, but very late 60's is probably correct. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 I changed my mind, and tend to agree, don't know where I got that 1971 one thing from, I am sure I read it somewhere at some point, but very late 60's is probably correct. link Can we settrle on 68-69? That way it stays within the definition of a "soul" record, which it most certainly is. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sepia Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 WITH THAT DATE CHANGE,HASNT IT GONE FROM A GREAT XOVER MAYBE 70S TO AN OVERPLAYED 60S OLDIE.HOW THINGS CAN CHANGE IN THE SPACE OF 2YEARS. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 God yes. OK just to stop you keep asking me about this, some 70's tunes I liked/like Indeed, have antagonised you enough Mr Smith. Just low grade banter, nothing more. With a 'the only good modern record is etc..' signature is a bit of a statement on here and well you know as I do those seventies sounds that sound a bit sixties and so on. I wonder truly though how grey the area is between seventies northern soul and modern northern soul? Soul Joe Clements - Ever Ever (PLEXIUM) 1969. Now that's a lick just before the seventies but by golly there's no mistaking that for that modern rubbish. Big void between the best dancers, 6t's up tempo beat and seventies/modern shuffling nonsense. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Pete if only i had listened to you earlier i would have saved myself the effort and expense of going up to an Orwell yesterday, thereby missing one of this years best events by far, i really should listen to your opinion more often and the do the exact opposite You tasteless git even the boy Jordi did all right Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 Indeed, have antagonised you enough Mr Smith. Just low grade banter, nothing more. With a 'the only good modern record is etc..' signature is a bit of a statement on here and well you know as I do those seventies sounds that sound a bit sixties and so on. I wonder truly though how grey the area is between seventies northern soul and modern northern soul? Soul Joe Clements - Ever Ever (PLEXIUM) 1969. Now that's a lick just before the seventies but by golly there's no mistaking that for that modern rubbish. Big void between the best dancers, 6t's up tempo beat and seventies/modern shuffling nonsense. link Yeah but Soul Joe Clements is utter rubbish!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 Pete if only i had listened to you earlier i would have saved myself the effort and expense of going up to an Orwell yesterday, thereby missing one of this years best events by far, i really should listen to your opinion more often and the do the exact opposite You tasteless git even the boy Jordi did all right link Get off my f*cking thread Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Yeah but Soul Joe Clements is utter rubbish!!! link Dear oh dear, don't like Jerry Jackson, don't like Soul Joe Clements, these are atmospheric charged dancers, it's sposed to be the modern stuff that's utter rubbish. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Get off my f*cking thread link I don't know about that but you are already off your fu**ing head twot anyway how can it be your thread when it's about a good record Love you really in that special way that i normally only reserve for particularly alluring small farmyard animals Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Dear oh dear, don't like Jerry Jackson, don't like Soul Joe Clements, these are atmospheric charged dancers, it's sposed to be the modern stuff that's utter rubbish. link Ian, where is "East Herts"? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Ian, where is "East Herts"? link East Hertfordshire, Bishop's Stortford. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 East Hertfordshire, Bishop's Stortford. link Ok cheers, not a million miles away and on the same train line for what it's worth. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Ok cheers, not a million miles away and on the same train line for what it's worth. link Indeed. Used to work for ECP 185-205 Turners Hill. Takes me back, the Old Pond! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest woolie mark Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hey Mr Comedy, I don't try to come up with any critical analysis, all modern soul is shite and I don't need to say anymore. It's all useless. I can't even classify it as music. link hey mr grumpy, don't be so precious actually.....i really like your list no offence, only joking Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 29, 2005 Author Share Posted March 29, 2005 hey mr grumpy, don't be so precious actually.....i really like your list no offence, only joking link None taken, sorry, thought you were being funny sarcastic so I was being the same back FOR A CHANGE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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