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Is "the Bottle" Northern Or Jazz Funk

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always thought it was Jazz funk me like!

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cue the snobs

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Do you expect 'the snobs' to say it's northern or jazz?

Always quite liked the bottle as a stand alone record

Wouldn't call it Northern though...pretty contemporary if you asked me...never known why it gets it's northern tag

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Always quite liked the bottle as a stand alone record

Wouldn't call it Northern though...pretty contemporary if you asked me...never known why it gets it's northern tag

Cause it was a big tune on the northern scene big boy. :thumbsup:

Oh wich one we on about? brother to brother v g s heron

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Cause it was a big tune on the northern scene big boy. :thumbsup:

Oh wich one we on about? brother to brother v g s heron

Or the C O D Version

Or the C O D Version

Dont count cause its crap :thumbsup: i got it on uk Streetwave 12" why i dont know.

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Dont count cause its crap :thumbup: i got it on uk Streetwave 12" why i dont know.

Totally agree just thought I'd chuck it in for the sake of argument,sorry Discussion :thumbsup:

Grant

Totally agree just thought I'd chuck it in for the sake of argument,sorry Discussion :thumbsup:

Grant

Yeh,we'll let the funky boy's have that version :thumbup:

It was played in Northern soul clubs so it is northern soul not bad for a jazz funk sound innit whistling.gif

Have even heard Trevor Nelson (sorry for mentioning him on here!) class it as Rare Groove.

Would class it as 'Cross Genre' really if I really had to pigeonhole it.

Fits the bill on whatever scene you want to play it on.

Just a quality record by a quality artist.

boxing.gifHi in the 7ts I used to work as a roadie with several PA & Lighting companies, as such I had the opportunity to work with quite a few soul bands that toured the UK, GIL SCOTT HERON was a classic soul/jazz man, he was promoting his JO-BURG release it was strange for me at the time as the BOTTLE was a big sound at WIGAN CASINO with its great intro that hooked the dancers onto the floor it all the ingredients for dancers and purist lovers of soul it is not norther soul but SOUL OF THE TIME. the man and his band like most good quality bands were professional musicians and when in rehearsal they jammed across there set and it was very jazz/funk jamming that the music went where the musician wanted it to go, Gil was very influenced by the AFRICAN ONE "FELA KUTI" AS QUITE A FEW BLACK AMERICANS WERE at the time?. I Also worked with KOOL & THE GANG and there jamming style was the best FUNK that I have ever heard there were very influenced by Ed Kyser, however that's another story ph34r.gif DAVE KIL

Who gives a flying fox what it is?

It's a great song from a musical genius, that's all that matters.

The best version is GSH's live version from 1976 on Arista.

The original cut is LP only Gil Scott-Heron & Brian Jackson on the 'Winter In America" Lp.........it is an amazing record and once again who cares what genre it fits into...............

BRETT F

Have even heard Trevor Nelson (sorry for mentioning him on here!) class it as Rare Groove.

Would class it as 'Cross Genre' really if I really had to pigeonhole it.

Fits the bill on whatever scene you want to play it on.

Just a quality record by a quality artist.

Martin, the link to your flyer isn't working

i dont care what you call it its absolutely fuckin crap - nothing at all to do with the criteria thats essentially called northern soul - its a hybrid song that was played and people liked it as an alternative at the time as all the other absolute shite played at wigan

i dont care what you call it its absolutely fuckin crap - nothing at all to do with the criteria thats essentially called northern soul - its a hybrid song that was played and people liked it as an alternative at the time as all the other absolute shite played at wigan

HYBRID ????.IN WHAT WAY, it essentially is a fantastic piece of music that was i believe first played in the UK club scene at the Blackpool Mecca, and thank God for that, for me that one sentence sums up the then Rare Soul scene as the cutting edge of the UK underground club scene, and being the only place to find and promote such a brilliant piece of SOUL music before anyone else.

BRETT F

i dont care what you call it its absolutely fuckin crap - nothing at all to do with the criteria thats essentially called northern soul - its a hybrid song that was played and people liked it as an alternative at the time as all the other absolute shite played at wigan

What a tremendously well thought out and reasoned post. Have you ever thought of moving into journalism?

northern soul, it used to be dance music now its somthing you could probably take a phd in, listen if it been played at the clubs and people dance and dance again then thats it end of. dont you think its a crime time after time after tiime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have even heard Trevor Nelson (sorry for mentioning him on here!) class it as Rare Groove.

Would class it as 'Cross Genre' really if I really had to pigeonhole it.

Fits the bill on whatever scene you want to play it on.

Just a quality record by a quality artist.

Wwll sais that man .......

" The Bottle " was a record that united the many factions of the scene - and stll does , due to its' quality and credibility .......

Malc Burton

Wwll sais that man .......

" The Bottle " was a record that united the many factions of the scene - and stll does , due to its' quality and credibility .......

Malc Burton

.....and ,If memory serves, was a 'big' record on the mainstream club/disco circuit at the same time as well. Didn't Neil Rushton have some connection with the record?:chinstroke:

What a tremendously well thought out and reasoned post. Have you ever thought of moving into journalism?

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Damn! That made me spray my cornflakes all over my laptop LOL.....

You owe me for a new laptop now Dave!

Ian D biggrin.gif

Just how 80s is C.O.Ds version!!??

83,and a uk band.

The Bottle by Gil Scott-Heron & Brian Jackson (1974)

In the Bottle by Brother to Brother (1974)

The Bottle (La botella) by Joe Bataan (1974)

In the Bottle by C.O.D. (1983)

The Bottle by The Christians (1992)

The Bottle by Overstreet (June 28, 2003)

The Bottle by Paul Weller (September 13, 2004)

Paul Weller laugh.gif

Funny we still dont know what version ? the thread is about.

Gil Scotts version for methumbsup.gif

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i dont care what you call it its absolutely fuckin crap - nothing at all to do with the criteria thats essentially called northern soul - its a hybrid song that was played and people liked it as an alternative at the time as all the other absolute shite played at wigan

Can you tell us what the criteria is that makes a record essentially northern soul?

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Can you tell us what the criteria is that makes a record essentially northern soul?

No you tell us why it ain't northern.

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Can you tell us what the criteria is that makes a record essentially northern soul?

Its must be in that 'Rule Book' I was asking about in another thread.

Haven't found it yet though!

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No you tell us why it ain't northern.

I think it is northern, he said it wasn't. Wrong target Ken.

I think it is northern, he said it wasn't. Wrong target Ken.

Gil Scott Heron - "The Bottle "

Released : 1974

Recorded October 15, 1973

D&B Sound , Silver Springs , Maryland

Writer : Gil Scott-Heron

Producer : Jose Williams

Publishing : Perpis-Fall Music

Genre : Soul , jazz fusion

Malc Burton

Edited by Malc Burton

The Bottle by Gil Scott-Heron & Brian Jackson (1974)

In the Bottle by Brother to Brother (1974)

The Bottle (La botella) by Joe Bataan (1974)

In the Bottle by C.O.D. (1983)

The Bottle by The Christians (1992)

The Bottle by Overstreet (June 28, 2003)

The Bottle by Paul Weller (September 13, 2004)

Paul Weller :P

Funny we still dont know what version ? the thread is about.

The Bottle - Jay & Kathy's Clown - ?? :ohmy:

.....and ,If memory serves, was a 'big' record on the mainstream club/disco circuit at the same time as well. Didn't Neil Rushton have some connection with the record?g.gif

No it was played on the Northern circuit a few years before it got played in Mainstream clubs.

Neil Rushton put in out on his Inferno label due to demand.

No it was played on the Northern circuit a few years before it got played in Mainstream clubs.

Neil Rushton put in out on his Inferno label due to demand.

Well it was played in just about every club & disco down here in the South on its release, so I don't really think you could make any case for it being played on the Northern scene anytime before it was played elsewhere, let alone years.

Well it was played in just about every club & disco down here in the South on its release, so I don't really think you could make any case for it being played on the Northern scene anytime before it was played elsewhere, let alone years.

The South doesn't count does it?tongue.gif

In the North it wasn't played in the normal clubs till the late 70s.

It was played on the Northern scence in 74 from the LP. Not the single or the 12.yes.gif

Its My absolute favourite - great to dance to - Love GSH. There is a faster version although not sure who the Lady Singer is but it just blows me away:thumbup: If anyone knows it or can put something on here so I can check it out would appreciate it:wink:.

I reckon its bang in the middle :yes:

Gil Scott Heron - "The Bottle "

Released : 1974

Recorded October 15, 1973

D&B Sound , Silver Springs , Maryland

Writer : Gil Scott-Heron

Producer : Jose Williams

Publishing : Perpis-Fall Music

Genre : Soul , jazz fusion

Malc Burton

And your point is what? Come on Malc since when did belonging to a particular genre of music stop any sound being classed also as northern soul? The answer is never by the way.

Stupid fucking thread anyway, played at northern do's since release and danced to makes it northern. I'm starting to get a bit bored with the endless rewriting of history.

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Gil Scott - Heron for me northern funk both some like it some don't :thumbup:

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And your point is what? Come on Malc since when did belonging to a particular genre of music stop any sound being classed also as northern soul? The answer is never by the way.

Stupid fucking thread anyway, played at northern do's since release and danced to makes it northern. I'm starting to get a bit bored with the endless rewriting of history.

Easy Matt , easy ........ you will end up with a Connery .

My intention when I posted the reply - Genre : Soul , jazz fusion , which was taken from the original release for the 7" - was to simply highlight the original category the record was placed under , not to state , dictate or imply , that the record is , or should not be a " northern " one .

" The Bottle " as you know , gained its' first , and favourable plays at The Mecca , where it was accepted without predudice , by open minded people who did not , or attempt to " label " the sounds that were played there .

From The Mecca , the record was played at other venues , where it was similarly accepted , and gained popularity for what it was - a bloody good and danceable record .

As Martin ( Cunnie ) stated in his reply - " The Bottle " crosses genres : IF we have to put it in a category , it should be

" disques sans frontières " ........

Malc Burton

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Its My absolute favourite - great to dance to - Love GSH. There is a faster version although not sure who the Lady Singer is but it just blows me away:thumbup: If anyone knows it or can put something on here so I can check it out would appreciate it:wink:.

I reckon its bang in the middle :yes:

Probably the Maysa Leak version from a few years ago.

Should still be able to pick it up from places like 'Discogs' for around a fiver.

Great version & Kenny forgot to mention it:tongue::laugh:

Was also a rather good live version from 2007 by Bloodfire.

Snippet on the link below.

https://www.ifmusic.co.uk/product.php?products_id=7287

It was played in Northern soul clubs so it is northern soul not bad for a jazz funk sound innit whistling.gif

The UK 'Jazz Funk' scene hadn't emerged in late 1974 (when "The Bottle" was first aired from the "Winter In America" album at Blackpool Mecca), so it was regarded as one of the "new wave" of Northern tracks from the outset. The fact that it "crossed over" to be embraced on the wider Northern club circuit says a lot for it's popularity and the broad tastes of the average punters back then... or perhaps the lyrics touched a collective nerve!

So, as the North was among the first to embrace the "The Bottle", I reckon we have a right to call it a "Northern sound" by reason of that initial dancefloor reaction, whatever it's beat 'n rhythm!

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I think it fits into both genres. I love it, but this may be sacrilige, I prefer the version by Brother To Brother as that was the first one I ever heard.

Probably the Maysa Leak version from a few years ago.

Should still be able to pick it up from places like 'Discogs' for around a fiver.

Great version & Kenny forgot to mention it:tongue::laugh:

Was also a rather good live version from 2007 by Bloodfire.

Snippet on the link below.

https://www.ifmusic.c...roducts_id=7287

TOTALLY FORGOT I HAD THIS VERSION MARTIN, BUT STILL PREFER THE ORIGINAL TAKE (IE.THE ALBUM CUT)

Fits into several categories, but in northern dancing sub-genres it's an out and out awesome shuffler throughout. I used to love seeing the brilliant shufflers all pounding in unison to this on the dancefloor. Now they mostly get puffed out, by the time Gil says... quatro :laugh:

Fits into several categories, but in northern dancing sub-genres it's an out and out awesome shuffler throughout. I used to love seeing the brilliant shufflers all pounding in unison to this on the dancefloor. Now they mostly get puffed out, by the time Gil says... quatro :laugh:

:laugh:

Agree, I used to love watching the guys, there's nothing like a good shuffler! (or was it envy that I could not do it!)

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i dont care what you call it its absolutely fuckin crap - nothing at all to do with the criteria thats essentially called northern soul - its a hybrid song that was played and people liked it as an alternative at the time as all the other absolute shite played at wigan

Crikey Johnny what side of the bed did you get out of this morning or did you fall from the top bunk straight onto your swede?? Betcha by golly wow !!!

Thank you very much - Maysa Leak was the version I heard thumbup.gif

Not heard the Bloodfire one before but thanks for that too

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Probably the Maysa Leak version from a few years ago.

Should still be able to pick it up from places like 'Discogs' for around a fiver.

Great version & Kenny forgot to mention ittongue.giflaugh.gif

Was also a rather good live version from 2007 by Bloodfire.

Snippet on the link below.

https://www.ifmusic.c...roducts_id=7287

GIL SCOTT HERON poet and social comentator of our time Great dance record whatever genre you put it in . If Northern Soul is 'deep soul with a beat' then The Bottle's gotta be a protest song with a beat.

Best version gotta be the live ARISTA lp but....... Home is Where the Hatred is kicks it into touch IMHO

Been away from the scene for quite a while but did any of his later stuff 80's Gun etc get plays ?

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